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Message 1543661 - Posted: 18 Jul 2014, 4:08:39 UTC - in response to Message 1543044.  
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Which is where we need enough 'tree huggers' to shout loudly enough to persuade or to scare the aloof 'super rich' to care enough to save the planet for everyone else...


Is that why we have revolutions?...

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If it was possible to shame them, they would have already done something, these people have no shame, they want control even more than they want money.
British, Americans, and most Europeans are way too apathetic to have a real revolution plus there are plenty of petty wars going on around the world where one faction want's something different to the ruling faction.
BTW, I'm 57, had spinal fusion due to accident in work just over a year ago. (L4,L5, S1)
In Florida, even if your paraplegic in a wheelchair,your only 20% disabled. Insurance companies think playing with peoples lives is some kind of game, they are only bit players, the top dogs are only interested in the money. As for gated communities, as long as they have the cash, they will just hide behind the castle walls
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Message 1543767 - Posted: 18 Jul 2014, 9:39:32 UTC

sorry to hear that PJ I understand what you go through mate (L4,L5,S1,c6-c7) but I won't have the fusion I'm to young for that so i'll put up with it had op on C6-C7 but will have to have another one .

The difference is I live in oz and don't have to fight private insurance company's to get Medical help

only 20% if your a para wow it's 25% just if you lose 1 leg let alone being a para

only in the states
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Message 1544389 - Posted: 19 Jul 2014, 15:22:15 UTC
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Here is yet another part of the ever more farcical extremes for the Fossil Fuels suppliers' denial of pollution:

(One comment in there I find to be particularly diabolical...)


Sulphur surplus: Up to our necks in a diabolical element

Sulphur has many uses, from making acid to stiffening rubber, but right now we have more than we need - a lot more...

... So sulphur, as well as being diabolical, has many uses - which makes the sight greeting motorists on Highway 63, half an hour north of Fort McMurray in the Canadian province of Alberta, rather surprising... humungous blocks of pure sulphur - millions of tons of it. The largest measures 260m by 340m, and is about 20m high - making it approximately the same volume as the Burj Khalifa, the world's tallest skyscraper.

Why is so much of this useful element sitting idle in the wilds of Canada? The answer is that we are producing more of it than we can use. Nobody mines sulphur any more (though some Javans do still pick it from an active volcano). Instead we get it as a by-product of the petrochemicals industry.

"Sour" oil, gas and coal contains sulphur. It is called "sour", because when it burns it produces those pungent sulphur dioxide fumes. And they eventually fall back to earth as acid rain. For those too young to remember, acid rain was - rather like the depletion of the ozone layer - an early environmental crisis, and an early success story...

... One part of the solution was to stop using the more sulphur-rich fossil fuel sources, which included most of the UK's remaining coal mines. The other part was to extract the sulphur before burning. The sulphur blocks in Alberta come from the Canadian Province's oil-producing tar sands. And they've been accumulating...

... But it could be that Alberta will soon be joined by other parts of the world. The hydrocarbon industry is rapidly running out of "sweet" low-sulphur oil and gas sources, and so is returning to those previously spurned sour sources, with several projects about to start producing.

"Most of it is coming from the Middle East, particularly Abu Dhabi, also central Asia," says Hands. "We're producing much more sulphur than we can use...

... Today's sulphur glut will not last forever. Eventually either the sour oil and gas will run out, or the world will stop digging the stuff up as it switches over to cleaner (and potentially far cheaper) renewable energy sources...



Quite an interesting aside and history for one of the unseen smelly sides to fossil fuels.


And what I find to be an astounding comment of arrogance and our planet-be-damned has got to be what I see as the ultimate in ridiculous and crass Marketing:

"Ironically, one of the reasons why we now need to add sulphur to the soil is because, as the legislation has got tighter on air emissions, there is actually less sulphur going into the soil through acid rain," explains Mike Lumley of Shell Sulphur Solutions, a unit of the Anglo-Dutch oil giant.

REALLY?!!!!


So the 1970's smoke-belch of fossil sulphur incredulously was somehow "beneficial" to all the habitat that got stripped bare and all the buildings literately dissolved by acid rain?!!! Ironic indeed! Move that man over to Io to see what sulphur can really do?!


And as for the supposed 'new need' for yet another 'fertilizer', that again comes back to how we should be instead taking advantage of better farming practice and undoing the more damaging effects of big agribusiness poisoning our food chain...

Shame there is no organization with enough money to challenge such Marketing...

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Message 1544953 - Posted: 20 Jul 2014, 16:34:11 UTC
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Deny this weather?

All completely normal?


Hottest day of the year follows thunderstorms

Parts of south-east England have recorded the hottest day of the year after dramatic electrical storms... The sweltering heat came after lightning struck the UK more than 3,000 times in the early hours of Friday. But the Met Office is warning of more storms and, in England and east Wales, flash flooding is on the way...

... The Met Office has issued a heat health alert for southern England and the Midlands...




Week in pictures: 12-18 July 2014

... Swimmers and sunbathers were forced to run for cover when hit a freak hailstorm hit a beach in Siberia, Russia, on Saturday...

... Lightning struck more than 3,000 times in two hours in the UK...

... Fishing boats are pictured amid heavy winds and rain brought by Typhoon Rammasun...




UK storms cause further disruption after lightning

Storms have caused further disruption in parts of the UK after recent high temperatures and lightning strikes.

Heathrow Airport has asked airlines to cancel one in five flights between 16:00 and 18:00 BST. Airlines say other London flights could be delayed...

Manchester Airport said an electrical surge caused by thunderstorms had caused some delays...

... Forecasters said a very warm and humid air mass across the UK would become "increasingly unstable", leading to more intense thunderstorms.

"We're expecting heavy thundery showers through the weekend with the potential for torrential downpours, large hail, frequent lightning and locally strong gusts,"...

... The Environment Agency has three flood warnings and 56 flood alerts in place across parts of England...




These weather events individually say nothing about climate. However, note how this sort of thing looks to be getting ever more violent and frequent...

Also note how as the global warming continues, we get ever more moisure and energy in the atmosphere for our weather to become ever more extreme...

Hailstones during a heatwave? Who would have believed it?! Except that is completely expected if there is more energy/heat to push the rain clouds into becoming thunderous monsters. The CO2 pollution helps drive that.


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Message 1545266 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 12:35:18 UTC
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A lot of hot air into yet more denial?

Or... Might this be the year of revelation?...


diplomacy in climate countdown

... The target is to try to land an international deal on limiting greenhouse gases at what is billed as a major summit in Paris in late 2015.

In climate terms, Paris has become the new Copenhagen, the next venue for another push for a global agreement following the failed attempt in Denmark five years ago.

As with the countdown to every global gathering of this kind, expectations are mounting and the smallest detail of phrasing or policy from key players is seized on as a sign that maybe, this time, perhaps...

... What chance Paris?




All a continued stupid game of politics and brinksmanship by those unaware of the real world about them...

Or can the real world shout loud enough?


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Message 1545449 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 19:49:43 UTC

On N.C.’s Outer Banks, scary climate-change predictions prompt a change of forecast
Basically this is about those who live on the coast of N.C. not wanting to live with the effects of the forecast for this century and calling for a limited 30 year forecast.

Part of this is because the lawmakers wanted a precise planning figure for sea level rise, which has been set at 39 inches, and not the scientists view that it could be between 15 and 66 inches.
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Message 1545455 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 19:59:24 UTC - in response to Message 1545449.  

On N.C.’s Outer Banks, scary climate-change predictions prompt a change of forecast
Basically this is about those who live on the coast of N.C. not wanting to live with the effects of the forecast for this century and calling for a limited 30 year forecast.
Like the people on the Jersey Shore these are rich people's summer homes. The 1% are large and in charge.
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On N.C.’s Outer Banks, scary climate-change predictions prompt a change of forecast
Basically this is about those who live on the coast of N.C. not wanting to live with the effects of the forecast for this century and calling for a limited 30 year forecast.
Like the people on the Jersey Shore these are rich people's summer homes. The 1% are large and in charge.

Must be King Canute's descendants.
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Message 1545784 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 10:47:16 UTC

And another form of denial:


Beef environment cost 10 times that of other livestock

... the production of beef is around 10 times more damaging to the environment than any other form of livestock. Scientists measured the environment inputs required to produce the main US sources of protein.

Beef cattle need 28 times more land and 11 times more irrigation water than pork, poultry, eggs or dairy...




All in the name of profit and our world be damned?


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Message 1545859 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 13:45:58 UTC
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the production of beef is around 10 times more damaging



Answer me this:

If god didn't want us to eat cows then why did she make them out of steaks ??
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Message 1546093 - Posted: 22 Jul 2014, 23:56:22 UTC - in response to Message 1545859.  
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the production of beef is around 10 times more damaging



Answer me this:

If god didn't want us to eat cows then why did she make them out of steaks ??

Yet another Bible-Belt ripost denying reality?

Or selfish illusions of "If it is there, grab-it-and-others-be-damned"?


How can you live on the "Body of Christ"?... Obviously not in reality...


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Message 1546244 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 6:17:55 UTC - in response to Message 1545784.  

And another form of denial:


Beef environment cost 10 times that of other livestock

... the production of beef is around 10 times more damaging to the environment than any other form of livestock. Scientists measured the environment inputs required to produce the main US sources of protein.

Beef cattle need 28 times more land and 11 times more irrigation water than pork, poultry, eggs or dairy...




All in the name of profit and our world be damned?


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I did read that on the BBC Ap site. But what id like to know is How much protien do you get from beef versus poultry, Fish, And Pork?
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Message 1546261 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 7:05:28 UTC

Interesting to know...

What's the carbon footprint of ... a pint of beer?

The carbon footprint of a pint of beer:
300g CO2e: locally brewed cask ale at the pub
500g CO2e: local bottled beer from a shop or foreign beer in a pub
900g CO2e: bottled beer from the shop, extensively transported


Beer is unlikely to dominate your carbon footprint but it can make a significant contribution. According to my calculations, a few bottles of imported lager per day might add up to as much as a tonne of CO2e per year – equivalent to around 50,000 cups of black tea.

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Message 1546263 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 7:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 1546261.  

Interesting to know...

What's the carbon footprint of ... a pint of beer?

The carbon footprint of a pint of beer:
300g CO2e: locally brewed cask ale at the pub
500g CO2e: local bottled beer from a shop or foreign beer in a pub
900g CO2e: bottled beer from the shop, extensively transported


Beer is unlikely to dominate your carbon footprint but it can make a significant contribution. According to my calculations, a few bottles of imported lager per day might add up to as much as a tonne of CO2e per year – equivalent to around 50,000 cups of black tea.

It's just a shame that they don't say what the size of their "cask" is (fairly pointless numbers really when you can't see what they're related to), but as I brew my own mine would have to be at the lower end of the scale. ;-)

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Message 1546272 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 8:08:48 UTC - in response to Message 1546263.  

now i know whom to blame Wiggo for all the extra CO2 down our way you brewing all that beer . :)
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Message 1546338 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 13:23:17 UTC

since the grain absorbed co2 and what is left over after consumption will become plane food wouldn't beer be at least carbon neutral if not carbon absorbent
in fact would not the production of much more beer for local consumption be a possible solution. Wiggo has it right brew your own.
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Message 1546352 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 14:02:37 UTC - in response to Message 1546338.  

since the grain absorbed co2 and what is left over after consumption will become plane food wouldn't beer be at least carbon neutral if not carbon absorbent
in fact would not the production of much more beer for local consumption be a possible solution. Wiggo has it right brew your own.

I thought Priestley discovered CO2 when he found out that the gas given off at a brewery put out a candle.
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Message 1546360 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 14:10:33 UTC - in response to Message 1545266.  

A lot of hot air into yet more denial?

Or... Might this be the year of revelation?...


diplomacy in climate countdown

... The target is to try to land an international deal on limiting greenhouse gases at what is billed as a major summit in Paris in late 2015.

In climate terms, Paris has become the new Copenhagen, the next venue for another push for a global agreement following the failed attempt in Denmark five years ago.

As with the countdown to every global gathering of this kind, expectations are mounting and the smallest detail of phrasing or policy from key players is seized on as a sign that maybe, this time, perhaps...

... What chance Paris?



And the climate games are already divorced from a sensible reality:


Dispute over 'bonkers' EU energy savings plan

EU commissioners are meeting today to agree an energy savings target...

Several countries, anxious over the security of their Russian gas supplies, are pushing for a tough, binding goal. But EU officials are reluctant to agree...

... The review also pointed out that the costs of going for these targets would be dramatically offset by gains in employment from all the insulation jobs that would be created plus the reduction in fuel consumed...

... Energy suppliers are reluctant to push for a policy that would cut demand for their product...





All a continued stupid game of politics and brinksmanship by those unaware of the real world about them...

Or can the real world shout loud enough?


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Message 1546412 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 18:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 1546244.  
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How much protien do you get from beef versus poultry, Fish, And Pork?


They are all about the same: A little less than 20% protein for relatively lean meat; fish is perhaps a little higher than this. The information on the internet shows somewhat higher figures but I think my numbers are probably right since not just the leanest portions of meat are eaten. For instance roasted turkey breast would have several times the protein content of the skin of the bird.

Soy beans are 40% protein when the oil is extracted and dried and have the right mix of Amino Acids to grow human flesh and sinew. If we got rid of our cows (steers) and didn't feed them grain we could increase protein production per acre by perhaps a factor of 10 or 15 by growing soybeans and feeding them to humans instead of to bovines.

When I lifted weights competitively I supplemented my diet with soy protein.

I also raised over 100 Cow/Calf combinations on my farm in Southern Illinois and grew wheat, corn and soybeans to feed those whom were hungry. This was more or less a hobby farm and our main profit from operations came from upland hardwood timber which yielded over $1000 per acre when we cut it. In another 25 years the same yield could be extracted again.

This farm was now sold to the Government and is part of the Shawnee National Forest. I do retain the Oil and Gas rights for the next 50 years however.
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Message 1546413 - Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 18:07:11 UTC - in response to Message 1546244.  
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Ya Know

Them Ozzies have gotten it right on Global Warming and the Carbon Tax falderal. How can I get citizenship ??
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