[quote]... Simple question Martin. Give the number.

We have the numbers, stark and clear, as is often repeated. Humankind has increased the level of CO2 in our atmosphere directly though industrial industriousness from about 280ppm to over 400ppm, and increasing, and increasing ever more quickly.


Do we die in our own pollution?

All on our only one world,
Martin

... The answer is none, no rise at all. As a matter of fact it has dropped.

Two days in the 90's were I live at, just two. At this time of year I should have had almost 3 weeks of temps in the upper 90's.

So outside of your small world in your back yard, the rest of the world really does not exist?... Really?

So you choose to deliberately ignore two centuries of industrial revolution?

Or selfishly just the 'inconvenient' bits for you that you don't like to admit to...?


Such is the living a lie in religion and denial...


All on our only one world,
Martin

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Glenn Savill said:

anybody that say's they can predict the increase in temp has as much IQ as a punter betting on a horse

As we still are finding out what the causes are there is always going to be things like the current El-Nino which funny enough started only a few days after there was 8.9 earthquake's in south America along the same fault line where the heat seems to be coming from I predicted this before anybody else did

he simple that from 1700-1955 the CO2 went up only 38ppm but from 1955-2014 there has been a increase of 88ppm and currently it's going up at over 2.5ppm do the maths

Also ppl think about this 1

the difference between having fly's the size of men or dinosours is the diffenace of 3ppm per 100,000

double the O2 you get giant insects and O2 under 21% you get dumb dino's

or put it this way 3ppm you have intelegent animal above 6ppm you get Dino's
and above 6ppm humans can't survive we will regress back to the trees as apes as our brains shrink due to lack of O2

We are now at 4ppm and the O2 content is now 20.8% and falling is it already to late ???

Needed to be repeated. I've never read such Truth and Brilliance. Magnificent.

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i suspect that we have cooled in the last decade. Anything put into the atmosphere will act as a shade on incoming radiation from the sun.

Some of the pollution does, some doesn't.

You are thinking of large particulates pollution and white fluffy clouds that generally equally reflect both infra-red (heat) and light.

The type of dirty pollution that China is generating at the moment will in part be causing a cooling effect. However, other parts of their pollution is very much adding up to extra heating. How does that balance out?... Well, the extra heating effect is longer lived...

The cooling effect is shorter lived (and also shortens the lives of anyone breathing it...).

It will also prevent re-radiation since it will obscure a perfectly black sky but the net effect will be to shade the Earth. Just go outside and wait for a cloud to obscure the Sun. I do however think that Solar activity is more intense now than what it was in the previous decade or two.

So What do the TEMPERATURE numbers show ??

The variation from the sun is negligible compared to what we are experiencing.

You forget that light absorption by CO2 is wavelength dependent: Infrared heat is absorbed; The white light from the sun is allowed through unhindered.

This is demonstrated by direct measurement. Our lower atmosphere is warming up whilst the upper atmosphere is cooling down. The heating up is however greater than the cooling and demonstrates that the blanket of CO2 is increasing in strength.

As you've felt for yourself, the sunlight from the sun is powerful. The power hits the earth unhindered, warms the earth, and then it is the infrared light radiating from the ground/ocean that is trapped by CO2 to heat us up further.


An important question that is being intensively studied is whether a warmer atmosphere with a higher load of water vapour because the atmosphere is warmer then causes there to be more nighttime clouds that keep us still warmer yet...

Also, that different pattern of clouds developing can cause the rains to shift to cause extremes of droughts and floods where once crops grew...


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Clyde it's the reason what ever is happening now that's just as important as what is happening

NO the Temp hasn't gone up much lately it hasn't stoped going up as slowed down.

Here is a link that explains what has happened up till the current el-nino

http://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

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To see the temperature changes you only need to go to that great American institute, NASA.

@I.D. you are showing your lack of knowledge again.

When the conditions are not what you expect, based on your recent memory, that is called Weather.

To see if there is a change in Climate, you need to compare the average conditions over a period of years with the average a similar period of years, 30 or more years ago.

And it is quite probably that some area's, the UK could be one of those area's, where the local conditions will cool rather than heat up. Don't forget that when the conditions heat up it may also bring more rain, hot air can absorb more water vapour.

Correction , I must admit to a little Plagiarism

The post about Fly's being as big as men is a quote out of

" Cosmos A Space Time Odyssey "

so are the facts quoted

I'm not that smart guys

I'm a pommy that flunked English..hehe

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Clive may surprise us yet Glenn.

http://www.news.com.au/national/palmer-united-party-senators-installed-as-clive-palmer-lays-down-what-should-become-law/story-fncynjr2-1226980639965

“So in the final analysis of our position we find that the Liberal Party is happy that the carbon tax is going; we are supporting a new ETS so the Labor Party is happy; the Greens are happy because clean energy, renewable energy is staying,” he said.

Cheers.

On the RSS satellite data, there has been no statistically-significant global warming for more than 26 years.

Nuff Said !!

So I say let the Greenies worry about a more realistic threat to the environment: Ground and sea water contamination from scrubber sludge, sewage and garbage dumping into our oceans and waterways.

My Daughter couldn't Kayak in the Charles River over the 4th of July weekend (Boston Mass) due to sewage runoff after a heavy rain. Disgusting ??

... Simple question Martin. Give the number.

We have the numbers, stark and clear, as is often repeated. Humankind has increased the level of CO2 in our atmosphere directly though industrial industriousness from about 280ppm to over 400ppm, and increasing, and increasing ever more quickly.


Do we die in our own pollution?

All on our only one world,
Martin

Martin...

What is the increase in Global Temperature's over the past 15 years?

Your silence is Deafening :)

Good Morning Clyde ... here you go:



Research News

2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade

Jan. 21, 2010

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade, due to strong cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2009 saw a return to near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years — 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 — as the second warmest year since recordkeeping began

"There's always an interest in the annual temperature numbers and on a given year's ranking, but usually that misses the point," said James Hansen, the director of GISS. "There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Niño-La Niña cycle. But when we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find that global warming is continuing unabated."

January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record. Throughout the last three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.2°C (0.36°F) per decade. Since 1880, the year that modern scientific instrumentation became available to monitor temperatures precisely, a clear warming trend is present, though there was a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s.

The near-record temperatures of 2009 occurred despite an unseasonably cool December in much of North America. High air pressures in the Arctic decreased the east-west flow of the jet stream, while also increasing its tendency to blow from north to south and draw cold air southward from the Arctic. This resulted in an unusual effect that caused frigid air from the Arctic to rush into North America and warmer mid-latitude air to shift toward the north.

"Of course, the contiguous 48 states cover only 1.5 percent of the world area, so the U.S. temperature does not affect the global temperature much,' said Hansen.

In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 0.8°C (1.5°F) since 1880.

"That's the important number to keep in mind," said Gavin Schmidt, another GISS climatologist. "In contrast, the difference between, say, the second and sixth warmest years is trivial since the known uncertainty — or noise — in the temperature measurement is larger than some of the differences between the warmest years."

Decoding the Temperature Record

Climate scientists agree that rising levels of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases trap incoming heat near the surface of the Earth and are the key factors causing the rise in temperatures since 1880, but these gases are not the only factors that can impact global temperatures.

Three others key factors — including changes in the Sun's irradiance, oscillations of sea surface temperature in the tropics, and changes in aerosol levels — can also cause slight increases or decreases in the planet's temperature. Overall, the evidence suggests that these effects are not enough to account for the global warming observed since 1880.

El Niño and La Niña are prime examples of how the oceans can affect global temperatures. They describe abnormally warm or cool sea surface temperatures in the South Pacific that are caused by changing ocean currents.

Global temperatures tend to decrease in the wake of La Niña, which occurs when upwelling cold water off the coast of Peru spreads westward in the equatorial Pacific Ocean. La Niña moderates the impact of greenhouse-gas driven warming, lingered during the early months of 2009 and gave way to the beginning of an El Niño phase in October that's expected to continue in 2010.

An especially powerful El Niño cycle in 1998 is thought to have contributed to the unusually high temperatures that year, and Hansen's group estimates that there's a good chance 2010 will be the warmest year on record if the current El Niño persists. At most, scientists estimate that El Niño and La Niña can cause global temperatures to deviate by about 0.2°C (0.36°F).

Warmer surface temperatures also tend to occur during particularly active parts of the solar cycle, known as solar maximums, while slightly cooler temperatures occur during lulls in activity, called minimums.

A deep solar minimum has made sunspots a rarity in the last few years. Such lulls in solar activity, which can cause the total amount of energy given off by the Sun to decrease by about a tenth of a percent, typically spur surface temperature to dip slightly. Overall, solar minimums and maximums are thought to produce no more than 0.1°C (0.18°F) of cooling or warming.

"In 2009, it was clear that even the deepest solar minimum in the period of satellite data hasn't stopped global warming from continuing," said Hansen.

Small particles in the atmosphere called aerosols can also affect the climate. Volcanoes are powerful sources of sulfate aerosols that counteract global warming by reflecting incoming solar radiation back into space. In the past, large eruptions at Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines and El Chichón in Mexico have caused global dips in surface temperature of as much as 0.3°C (0.54°F). But volcanic eruptions in 2009 have not had a significant impact.

Meanwhile, other types of aerosols, often produced by burning fossil fuels, can change surface temperatures by either reflecting or absorbing incoming sunlight. Hansen's group estimates that aerosols probably counteract about half of the warming produced by man-made greenhouse gases, but he cautions that better measurements of these elusive particles are needed.

Data Details

To conduct its analysis, GISS uses publicly available data from three sources: weather data from more than a thousand meteorological stations around the world; satellite observations of sea surface temperature; and Antarctic research station measurements. These three data sets are loaded into a computer program, which is available for public download from the GISS website. The program calculates trends in temperature anomalies — not absolute temperatures — but changes relative to the average temperature for the same month during the period of 1951-1980.

Other research groups also track global temperature trends but use different analysis techniques. The Met Office Hadley Centre, based in the United Kingdom, uses similar input measurements as GISS, for example, but it omits large areas of the Arctic and Antarctic, where monitoring stations are sparse.

In contrast, the GISS analysis extrapolates data in those regions using information from the nearest available monitoring stations, and thus has more complete coverage of the polar areas. If GISS didn't extrapolate in this manner, the software that performs the analysis would assume that areas without monitoring stations warm at the same rate as the global mean, an assumption that doesn't line up with changes that satellites have observed in Arctic sea ice, Schmidt explained. Although the two methods produce slightly different results in the annual rankings, the decade-long trends in the two records are essentially identical.

"There's a contradiction between the results shown here and popular perceptions about climate trends," Hansen said. "In the last decade, global warming has not stopped."

Related Links

Climatologist Gavin Schmidt Discusses the Surface Temperature Record

GISS Surface Temperature Analysis

GISS Annual Temperature Summation for 2008 and NASA News Release



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Except for a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s, Earth's surface temperatures have increased since 1880. The last decade has brought the temperatures to the highest levels ever recorded. The graph shows global annual surface temperatures relative to 1951-1980 mean temperatures. As shown by the red line, long-term trends are more apparent when temperatures are averaged over a five year period. (Image credit: NASA/GISS)



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As seen by the blue point farthest to the right on this graph, 2009 was the warmest year on record in the Southern Hemisphere. credit: NASA / GISS)

Good Morning ... Clyde and William ... what you and many Climate denial's are trying to do is to pick a 15 year period or a 29 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years ... the over all temperature here on planet Earth is on a steady Geologic extreme fast rise upward climb.

Nuff Said !!

Best Wishes
Byron

On the RSS satellite data, there has been no statistically-significant global warming for more than 26 years.

Nuff Said !!

So I say let the Greenies worry about a more realistic threat to the environment: Ground and sea water contamination from scrubber sludge, sewage and garbage dumping into our oceans and waterways.

My Daughter couldn't Kayak in the Charles River over the 4th of July weekend (Boston Mass) due to sewage runoff after a heavy rain. Disgusting ??

Good Morning ... Clyde and William ... what you and many Climate denial's are trying to do is to pick a 15 year period or a 29 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years ... the over all temperature here on planet Earth is on a steady Geologic extreme fast rise upward climb.

Nuff Said !!

Best Wishes
Byron

Meet The Climate Denial Machine:

Heartland is holding the 9th International Conference on Climate Change

July 7 to 9 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A.

http://heartland.org/events/9th-international-conference-climate-change

Come to fabulous Las Vegas to meet leading [DENIALISTS] ... understand it! from around the world who question whether “man-made global warming” will be harmful to plants, animals, or human welfare. Learn from top economists and policy experts about the real costs and futility of trying to stop global warming. Meet the leaders of think tanks and grassroots organizations who are speaking out against global warming alarmism. Don’t just wonder about global warming … understand it!



mediamatters.org

Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts that human activity is contributing to rising global temperatures, 66 percent of humanity incorrectly believe there is "a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether or not global warming is happening." The conservative media has fueled this confusion by distorting scientific research, hyping faux-scandals, and giving voice to groups funded by industries that have a financial interest in blocking action on climate change. Meanwhile, mainstream media outlets have shied away from the "controversy" over climate change and have failed to press U.S. policymakers on how they will address this global threat. When climate change is discussed, mainstream outlets sometimes strive for a false balance that elevates marginal voices and enables them to sow doubt about the science even in the face of mounting evidence
Here, Media Matters looks at how conservative media outlets give industry-funded "experts" a platform, creating a polarized misunderstanding of climate science.

Meet The Climate Denial Machine:

• Heartland Institute And James Taylor
  
  
• Competitive Enterprise Institute
  
  
• Chris Horner And The American Tradition Institute
  
  
• Manhattan Institute And Robert Bryce
  
  
• Heritage Foundation
  
  
• Cato Institute And Patrick Michaels
  
  
• American Enterprise Institute
  
  
• Marc Morano
  
  
• Anthony Watts
  
  
• Steve Milloy
  
  
• Joe Bastardi
  
  
• Matt Ridley
  
  
• Larry Bell
  

Nuff said

Best Wishes,
Byron

Meet The Climate Denial Machine:

Meet The Man-Made Climate Machine:

Give everyone a break.

UK coolest in years. USA coolest in years. Despite Scientific Predictions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/

Antarctica ice reaches record high. Despite Scientific Predictions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html

The USA/UK cooling has NOW been blamed on Local Weather by the Man-Made Climate Machine People, because their 'Predictions' are wrong.

Now how do they explain Antarctic Ice? USA/UK/Antarctica isn't Local, except for those who have another agenda.

Awaiting your 500 word answer, which only obscures uncomfortable Facts. Not predictions, from those who predictions have proven wrong in the past.

Good Morning ... CLYDE ... what you and many Climate denial's are trying to do is to pick a 15 year period or a 29 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years ... the over all temperature here on planet Earth is on a steady Geologic extreme fast rise upward climb.

Best Wishes
Byron

+5 Clyde :-)

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

To see the temperature changes you only need to go to that great American institute, NASA.

@I.D. you are showing your lack of knowledge again.

When the conditions are not what you expect, based on your recent memory, that is called Weather.

To see if there is a change in Climate, you need to compare the average conditions over a period of years with the average a similar period of years, 30 or more years ago.

And it is quite probably that some area's, the UK could be one of those area's, where the local conditions will cool rather than heat up. Don't forget that when the conditions heat up it may also bring more rain, hot air can absorb more water vapour.

If I may, just add 10 more years to that and we get so called scientist who were stirring up the world with global cooling!

Sorry, but your Jedi dark side mind tricks just wont work on me.

As I have said in this thread, we humans do effect the weather if the conditions are just right. Have you ran them simulations I have asked for, ya know, putting everyone into one city and looking north for them conditions I talked about....

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Your suggestion as so unreal it is just not worth bothering with.

If you had read my info and looked at the how the conditions varied in your local area for a period of at least 30 years then you could have shown us the data from your local weather center and shown whether the climate in your part of the world had cooled, stayed the same or warmed up.

But no you have to go on with one of your unthinking rants AGAIN.

Again what Climate denial's are trying to do is to cherry pick a 15 year

period or a 26 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA

Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years

the over all temperature here on planet Earth

is on a steady Geologic extreme fast rise upward climb.

;-) Adapt or die. LMAO!

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Again what Climate denial's are trying to do is to cherry pick a 15 year

period or a 26 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA

Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years

1880? Why are you cherry picking that year? Was that an exceptionally cold year to make the warming claim all the more believable?

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1880? Why are you cherry picking that year? Was that an exceptionally cold year to make the warming claim all the more believable?

1880 is the year NASA was started I assume. You know what happens when we assume.

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Again what Climate denial's are trying to do is to cherry pick a 15 year

period or a 26 year period ... where the climate has level off but as NASA

Scientist shows is that from 1880 to 2014 ... 134 years

the over all temperature here on planet Earth

is on a steady Geologic extreme fast rise upward climb.

Shocking, you have uncovered evidence of the warming trend that has continued since the last iceage. Congrats, why didn't I think of that.

I'm sorry Clyde; I have let you down. I hope you can accept my apology...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...