Obama screwed up big time on this one. He thought he could use the current pro veteran attitude of the country for political gain. The more I learn the more disgusting this becomes. The private's own platoon is now calling for his court martial. This is not "swift boaters" BTW, they couldn't organize this quickly. I am amused at people who never even set foot on a military base telling US how the military operates.

Even hard corps Democrats are not happy;

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said her panel should have been notified before the transfer. Past proposals for prisoner swaps with the Taliban raised “considerable concern,” she added.

I voted for Obama the first time but not the second; don't blame me I voted for Jeffery Boss. BTW what Regan did was much worse but he had alzheimer's and didn't know what he was doing.

Sorry Obama no homecoming hero's welcome for you.

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Obama has a concentration camp that he has promised to close, but the prisoners have never been tried nor convicted of any crime so no one will take them off his hands. He cannot close the politically embarrassing camp and he cannot get rid of the potentially dangerous people in it.

Carefully with the use of "concentration camp" I think gulag might be better. In any case though it's a left over from previous regime and can hardly be embarrassed by it.

He was elected on the promise to close it.

My suggestion would be to allow the detainees refuge in to the US where FBI can monitor them.

They can't do that without charging them with a crime and giving them a trial.

As a Vietnam veteran of USAF Special Operations, YOU DO NOT LEAVE SOMEONE ON THE FIELD, regardless of the reason, if at all possible. All I have seen on this thread is how President Obama negotiated with terrorists, but nothing about how this President, negotiated indirectly I might add, for the return of a soldier, that has been held by an opposing combat force for five years. We are currently in a war and as such he negotiated to get a prisoner of war back home. Regardless of how/why Sgt. Bergdahl was captured, regardless of his mental state at the time, he was in a combat area at the time of his capture, therefore his is/was a prisoner of war.

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I realize that Sgt. Bergdahl has been accused of being a deserter, but his mental state will be hashed out during his re-intergradation, and once he is physically capable of returning to the states the matter of his being a deserter will be addressed.

I respect your service and how that shapes your assessment of this. It's does seem clear though that the private abandoned his unit, becoming a deserter by definition. As such, I don't see that US owes him too much.

Had he been picked up by US troops he would have likely been court-martialled and serving time at Fort Leavenworth.

I am extremely sceptical about these claims. There is no actual evidence that he was a deserter. It looks to me like just another bandwagon that the obama haters have jumped on and quite a shameful one if you ask me.

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Maybe, once Obama was elected and he had access to the files regarding those who were still being detained at Guantanamo Bay, he realised it was not in the best interest of the USA, or the rest of the world, to set these terrorists free. That is why it totally astounds me that this group of five were ever allowed to be set free. One has to hope that there is at least a plausible excuse for why this has happened, like maybe we turned one of the five.

If anyone has the right to speak out on this issue it is John McCain. After the NVA discovered who it was they had shot down he refused to be part of any prisoner exchange while the fighting was still going on.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

The private was without his rifle. That alone subjects him to punishment under the UCMJ not promotion to E-6 as is/was planned. I smell a Chicago Politician.

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As it was explaind to me yesterday, while a POW career advancment occurs at a normal rate. As for the concequences of his excursion it remains to be seen. I have heard speculation from that the taliban had infiltrated the compound to he had deserted.
Chicago had nothing to do with what you are whinning about.
I totally agree with Cliff on this!

I've been silent on this so far, but no longer. I have not seen one post on this thread from anyone claiming outright to be a member of the armed forces, either former or active duty. As a Vietnam veteran of USAF Special Operations, YOU DO NOT LEAVE SOMEONE ON THE FIELD, regardless of the reason, if at all possible. All I have seen on this thread is how President Obama negotiated with terrorists, but nothing about how this President, negotiated indirectly I might add, for the return of a soldier, that has been held by an opposing combat force for five years. We are currently in a war and as such he negotiated to get a prisoner of war back home. Regardless of how/why Sgt. Bergdahl was captured, regardless of his mental state at the time, he was in a combat area at the time of his capture, therefore his is/was a prisoner of war.

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As I have stated before, regardless of what Sgt. Bergdahl may or may not have done, he was a soldier who was left on the field and he has been taken off the field and is in the process of coming home. There has never been an occasion in the history of our country where a soldier was left on the field when circumstances were afforded to remove him from that field.

Am I the only one on this thread who has seen combat and/or has a level head on their shoulders? It amazes me how a great many people have joined the wolf pack and have become a vicious mob and condemned the President for bringing a soldier home. Everybody take a very deep breath, take a step back, and relax. According to the laws of this country of ours, Sgt. Bergdahl, regardless of what he may of may not have done is considered innocent until proven in a court of law. In this case it will most likely be a military court martial.

Anything that has been said concerning how Sgt. Bergdahl became a POW is just accusations at this point in time. Yes, there was a low level review of his conduct, but remember it was conducted with limited information, and was one-sided, as his side was not heard. There will be a high level investigation conducted. Before any of you jump down my throat for defending Sgt. Bergadhl's actions, let me be perfectly clear, I am not. What I am doing is defending his right to remain innocent until convicted is a court of law. Until a through investigation has been conducted and charges, if any, has been brought against him and he has been convicted in a military court martial according to the USCMJ, he is still innocent. If he is convicted by that court martial, then he should be sentenced to the full extent of the prevailing law. If memory serves me right, the last soldier convicted of abandoning his post and deserting, in combat, was hung and that was in WWII.

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yeah, We All Know About Due Process Shat.

He Deserted. Frakk Him.

da Crunchin' Troll.

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Cliff well state and I concur. The mob mentality that Batter is promoting is somthing very evil.

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Cliff well state and I concur. The mob mentality that Batter is promoting is somthing very evil.

I wish this never happened and things were as they were. The story was kept quiet and he was forgotten like all veterans.

Pop the balloons and cut the "hero" crap and let this shame be handled quietly; avoid impeachment and shame.

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I wish this never happened and things were as they were.

Well then cut the partisan crap on a nonpartisan issue. Try being a very small part of the solution rather than being a small part of the problem.

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They know he left his post without his weapon to go walkabout as the Aussies put it. Six men died searching for him before it was discovered that he was in Taliban custody. Prisoners are normally exchanged after hostilities have ended with some sort of a document not while the fighting is still going on.

It is not even certain that Sgt. Bergdahl was technically a POW. If he walked over to the other side and was later detained I don't see how he could be considered a POW.

So perhaps we are speculating a bit much, but that is what we always do.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Cliff well state and I concur. The mob mentality that Batter is promoting is somthing very evil.

I wish this never happened and things were as they were. The story was kept quiet and he was forgotten like all veterans.

Pop the balloons and cut the "hero" crap and let this shame be handled quietly; avoid impeachment and shame.

It seems that the only one calling him a hero is you. Swift boating has no place in matters that concerns polite company. Conflating multiple issues into one is really doing no one any good. Most of the current problems with the VA have been going on for decades, but that is a matter for another thread. Getting back to the present topic and swift boating.

Does anyone remember the swift boating that went on about our current Secy. of State John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, during his presidential bid, and when things were all done and over with the things that came out about him via the swift boating were proved to be incorrect. All of that craziness also works in the opposite direction. Does anyone remember during the opening days of the Iraq invasion in 2003 the story about PFC. Jessica Lynch and how she survived an ambush in which all of her fellow soldiers were killed and she supposedly fought off the opposing force until she ran out of ammo and her rescue? Watch the first 36 minutes of this http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show, then ask yourself did she deserve to be rescued because her group blundered into an ambush because they did something stupid. My point is this, the removal of Sgt. Bergdahl from the field is one issue. Anything else is an entirely different and separate issue that should be and will be handled as a separate issue. Also take a look at this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bowe-bergdahl-release_n_5439644.html?utm_hp_ref=politics. Oh how the quickly the right wing changes it tune at the drop of a hat. As to the matter of the five Taliban leaders that were exchanged for his release, it has been the custom of this country to return enemy combatants in exchangefor POWs, especially during ending of a conflict or shortly after a conflict ends.

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especially during ending of a conflict or shortly after a conflict ends.

The Terrorists Have Surrendered. YipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeKiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Get Ready fO dA Ticker Tape Parade and Lots 'O Smoochin'.

Deserter. Possible Traitor.

Frakk 'im

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Cliff well state and I concur. The mob mentality that Batter is promoting is somthing very evil.

I wish this never happened and things were as they were. The story was kept quiet and he was forgotten like all veterans.

Pop the balloons and cut the "hero" crap and let this shame be handled quietly; avoid impeachment and shame.

It seems that the only one calling him a hero is you. Swift boating has no place in matters that concerns polite company. Conflating multiple issues into one is really doing no one any good. Most of the current problems with the VA have been going on for decades, but that is a matter for another thread. Getting back to the present topic and swift boating.

Does anyone remember the swift boating that went on about our current Secy. of State John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, during his presidential bid, and when things were all done and over with the things that came out about him via the swift boating were proved to be incorrect. All of that craziness also works in the opposite direction. Does anyone remember during the opening days of the Iraq invasion in 2003 the story about PFC. Jessica Lynch and how she survived an ambush in which all of her fellow soldiers were killed and she supposedly fought off the opposing force until she ran out of ammo and her rescue? Watch the first 36 minutes of this http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show, then ask yourself did she deserve to be rescued because her group blundered into an ambush because they did something stupid. My point is this, the removal of Sgt. Bergdahl from the field is one issue. Anything else is an entirely different and separate issue that should be and will be handled as a separate issue. Also take a look at this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bowe-bergdahl-release_n_5439644.html?utm_hp_ref=politics. Oh how the quickly the right wing changes it tune at the drop of a hat. As to the matter of the five Taliban leaders that were exchanged for his release, it has been the custom of this country to return enemy combatants in exchangefor POWs, especially during ending of a conflict or shortly after a conflict ends.

So, was it worth giving up five hardened terrorists for one misled soldier. If it proves out that he was a deserter do you think those terrorists will turn themselves back in? Bottom line whether directly or indirectly it was making a deal with a terrorist organization which can only lead to more bad things. The Taliband will only quit if the USA falls and with a President like this it just may happen.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Ive follwed this form the start. We did get a soldier back, But we did release 5 high ranking terrorists. The question is how many of those 5 will still be alive in a year?

There is an understory here that we dont know about.

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Here's another bit of news that will shock all of you right wing wolves that think President Obama is some great conspirator out to ruin this country. According to the UN & NATO charters & the Geneva Convention, all of the prisoners at Gitmo that have not been formally charged and tried have to be released within the next couple of years.

BTW, which law has he supposedly broken this time? Is it the one that was signed under Republican pressure or the conflicting one that was a carry over from the Bush administration, which btw, is the one that he used? This makes how many scandals that the Republicans have tried to push on this president and failed? Let's see birthplace - failed, IRS - failed, Affordable Care Act - failed, Bengazi - failed, what's next? People really need to start reading/watching something other than Faux News for a change like http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/ex-bush-administration-official-george or maybe http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/colbert-news-study-campaign-financing_n_5431713.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular. I really love the last one which shows that even satirical comedy is more informative than Faux News, and who knows you just might learn something factual.

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Here's another bit of news that will shock all of you right wing wolves that think President Obama is some great conspirator out to ruin this country. According to the UN & NATO charters & the Geneva Convention, all of the prisoners at Gitmo that have not been formally charged and tried have to be released within the next couple of years.

BTW, which law has he supposedly broken this time? Is it the one that was signed under Republican pressure or the conflicting one that was a carry over from the Bush administration, which btw, is the one that he used? This makes how many scandals that the Republicans have tried to push on this president and failed? Let's see birthplace - failed, IRS - failed, Affordable Care Act - failed, Bengazi - failed, what's next? People really need to start reading/watching something other than Faux News for a change like http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/ex-bush-administration-official-george or maybe http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/colbert-news-study-campaign-financing_n_5431713.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular. I really love the last one which shows that even satirical comedy is more informative than Faux News, and who knows you just might learn something factual.

You must really love this President and you are seeing things through rose tinted glasses and are distorting the facts as much as those you have attacked here.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

You must really love this President and you are seeing things through rose tinted glasses and are distorting the facts as much as those you have attacked here.

Have you ever been at the tip of the spear or even served in either of the armed forces, if so which branch and what did you do? And, while you're at it please tell me which facts I'm distorting and whom I have attacked on this thread. BTW, this came out this morning http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html?_r=0. Lions & Tigers & Bears OH MY!

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BTW, which law has he supposedly broken this time?

Obama doesn't have to break a law to be impeached. If 1/2 the House votes to impeach for misbehavior the House then presents its charges to the Senate. If 2/3 of the Senate agree Biden is POTUS.

We can have the best of both worlds if Obama resigns, we get the Sgt. back by negotiating with terrorists but other presidents will know their cost in doing so.

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BTW, which law has he supposedly broken this time?

Obama doesn't have to break a law to be impeached. If 1/2 the House votes to impeach for misbehavior the House then presents its charges to the Senate. If 2/3 of the Senate agree Biden is POTUS.

We can have the best of both worlds if Obama resigns, we get the Sgt. back by negotiating with terrorists but other presidents will know their cost in doing so.

Boy, I tell you the right-wing bubble has surely snapped. If all of the things that President Obama has done to pis#$%^ off the Republicans, then why haven't those same Republicans in the House started proceedings for impeachment? I will tell you why, because none of them are impeachable according the right-wing leaning Supreme Court, and BTW, regardless of how you may feel or think, according to our constitution,he has to have broken some law for those proceedings to begin.

But you still haven't answered my question as to which facts did I distort and whom did I attack in this thread, I really would like to know. As far as my love for our president, that can be discussed in another thread where all of your right-wing conspiracy thoughts, misinformation, etc. can be torn apart there.

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