Kong 1998 mite be when GW became main stream but it is not considered the time when GW was starting to be seen in the temps and weather patterns

Generally it's about 1980 when the effects started to show up

Funny how scientist are thinking the sun is heading into a maunder minimum little ice age witch sort of throw's a spanner in the idea the sun is getting hotter

So does this link

https://astronomynow.com/2015/07/17/diminishing-solar-activity-may-bring-new-ice-age-by-2030/

guess some will have to dig deeper into the sceptics rubbish data base to come up with a much more plausible idea

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Kong 1998 mite be when GW became main stream but it is not considered the time when GW was starting to be seen in the temps and weather patterns

Generally it's about 1980 when the effects started to show up

Funny how scientist are thinking the sun is heading into a maunder minimum little ice age witch sort of throw's a spanner in the idea the sun is getting hotter

So does this link

https://astronomynow.com/2015/07/17/diminishing-solar-activity-may-bring-new-ice-age-by-2030/

guess some will have to dig deeper into the sceptics rubbish data base to come up with a much more plausible idea

Glenn,

You say 1980.... Start of cycle 21 = 1976... hmm...

Regarding the global warming hiatus (pause) of 1998 to 2013(?)... Near the start of cycle 23 (1996 to 2008)... interesting, and why I wished to see a continuation of this research.

However TSI is not quite the same thing as any 'maunder minimum' effects. Apples vs. oranges. TSI is about the total energy output of the sun. 'Maunder minimum' periods are about the strength and properties of the solar magnetic field. We could be heading into a period with both increasing TSI (warming) and solar magnetic field changes towards a 'maunder minimum' configuration (cooling), at the same time.

The point of the paper that I linked is that there is a good possibility that there is yet another 'solar cycle' that we were previously unaware of. There are a bunch of various 'cycles'. The '11 year' cycle (sunspot number) that a great many people are aware of... The 90-year cycle that your link refered to... Many more, including cyclic variations in the geometry of Earth's orbit with a time-scale of hundreds of thousands of years. It is the height of hubris to believe that we already know ALL of them.

I take exception to your (and many others') use of the term "skeptic". The term skeptic is the only rational position to hold in the matter of Anthropogenic Climate Change...

You have 3 positions...

1. Warmist: A belief of almost religious nature that humans are grossly perturbing the climate. Any science shown to a warmist that does not confirm their dogma is instantly poo-pooed. Leaders of this position are motivated by a lust for money, power, and control.

2. Denier: A belief of almost religious nature that humans are not grossly perturbing the climate. Any science shown to a denier that does not confirm their dogma is instantly poo-pooed. Leaders of this position are motivated by a lust for money, power, and control.

3. Skeptic: A lack of belief in either of the previous two positions. In other words, 'show me the science... prove it'. Otherwise referred to as being 'open-minded'.


Of these three possible positions on the matter of GhG-ACC... Skeptic is the only one based on rationality. I am a Skeptic. There is evidence and scientific research on both sides. I am not convinced of either side... yet.

I am convinced of ACC (non-GhG) both from my own research into desertification of areas surrounding urban areas, and from my own personal observations.

But GhG-ACC... It certainly is possible. In my opinion, it is very likely to have at least a small effect on the climate.

But... is it the 'end of the world' serious problem that the warmists say it is? I dunno. It might be... but then again, it might not be.

We NEED a LOT more research into this problem... It is VERY Premature to be crying 'doom and gloom' just yet, in my opinion.

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Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

... Skeptic is the only one based on rationality. I am a Skeptic.

I remember when I became a skeptic.
It was the year I found out Everything you know is WRONG

Warning: Youtube will cause you to loose small segments of your life you will never get back.

... Skeptic is the only one based on rationality. I am a Skeptic.

I remember when I became a skeptic.
It was the year I found out Everything you know is WRONG

Warning: Youtube will cause you to loose small segments of your life you will never get back.

Same basic theme... but much better, IMO...


Everything you know is wrong...

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Caring for Creation makes the Christian case for climate action

A review of a book by Mitch Hescox and Paul Douglas is a marriage of science and faith.

Douglas provided a great summary:

I am a scientist but I believe in absolutes – I believe in more than I can observe, measure and test. The book of Genesis tells us that God made us in his self image. He gave us big, beautiful brains and the ability to think, reason, solve problems, make smart decisions, and improve our lives. He also gave us the good sense not to foul our nest.

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oops to noisy?
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2827437f49bd43b196bc07f4917a97bd/vermont-cabin-becomes-lab-study-wind-turbine-noise

The Therriens' old cabin is up 5 miles of dirt road from town, but is just a quarter-mile from a rural stretch of Interstate 91. The highway noise largely didn't bother them.

But after the 16 turbine towers of the Sheffield Wind Project went up on a nearby ridgeline in 2011 — the closest about three-quarters of a mile away and five within a mile — things changed, the Therriens say.

Deep in the night, when things were quiet on the highway, a low hum came from the opposite direction, punctuated occasionally by louder noises, the Therriens say. Soon, they say, they and their two small children were plagued by sleeplessness, nausea and other problems.

"The vertigo was pretty much all the time, but if we had a lot of noise, the dry heaves would be more often," Luann Therrien said.

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Playing the social handout system is easy in Vermont and VERY common.
There are hundreds of available doctors willing to declare you physically or mentally disabled and unable to work. After two years on disability medicare kicks in so the doctors can take a loss with the few no-pays in exchange for a guaranteed patient.
Vermont has 1/2 the population of nieghboring New Hampshire but because of the attractive social programs there is double the disability/ welfare/ food handout dependant families.
I know because I live on the NH/Vermont border.

I'll just bet this couple's mental and physical "ailments" are going to be ongoing for quite some time.
I'm not real surprised they can't get a lawyer to sue the wind generation owners.
I'm not real surprised they can't sell their "home" located where a hunting camp used to be.

If there have been NO studies done in all of the countries with wind turbine installations that show ill effects... perhaps, just perhaps, judging these two without knowing them, I am correct.

On a good positive note and an end of one part of an era:


Alcator C-Mod tokamak nuclear fusion reactor sets world record on final day of operation

... scientists and engineers at MIT's Plasma Science and Fusion Center made a leap forward in the pursuit of clean energy. The team set a new world record for plasma pressure in the Institute's Alcator C-Mod tokamak nuclear fusion reactor...

... While setting the new record of 2.05 atmospheres, a 15 percent improvement, the temperature inside Alcator C-Mod reached over 35 million degrees Celsius, or approximately twice as hot as the center of the sun. The plasma produced 300 trillion fusion reactions per second and had a central magnetic field strength of 5.7 tesla. It carried 1.4 million amps of electrical current and was heated with over 4 million watts of power. The reaction occurred in a volume of approximately 1 cubic meter (not much larger than a coat closet) and the plasma lasted for two full seconds...

... the pressure record just set in C-Mod will likely stand for the next 15 years. ITER, a tokamak currently under construction in France, will be approximately 800 times larger in volume than Alcator C-Mod, but it will operate at a lower magnetic field. ITER is expected to reach 2.6 atmospheres when in full operation by 2032...


One way to go.

Meanwhile, more immediately, there are our existing many green ways to go to save our only one planet from ourselves sooner, NOW.

All on our only one planet,
Martin

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The world just took another huge step forward on fighting climate change

U.S. Secretary of State John F. Kerry, who was also on hand for the negotiations said in a speech Friday that “it is not often you get a chance to have a .5-degree centigrade reduction by taking one single step together as countries — each doing different things perhaps at different times, but getting the job done.”

Paul Bledsoe, who worked on climate issues under President Bill Clinton in the 1990s and was in Kigali for the negotiations, said the agreement could help “lessen climate change impacts like sea-level rise, wildfires, and extreme storms and floods.” In addition, “it should jump-start other efforts to get to prevent runaway climate change,” he said.

The way the new amendment works is this: Developed and developing countries will have different “freeze dates,” or years when they must peak their HFC emissions and then begin to bring them down steadily over time. And in many cases, those freeze dates will be quite soon. For developed nations like the United States, the date will be 2019. For the majority of developing nations, it will be 2024, except for a few nations, including India and Pakistan, which will take a little longer, until 2028.

Another report I saw, said due to increased cost there will probably be a slow down of air conditioner sales and replacements might be too expensive.

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Or perhaps moving the Global Warming Populations from areas where heating is necessary. To areas in the world that they are not.

So where do you move the citizens of Edmonton, Alberta?

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Or perhaps moving the Global Warming Populations from areas where heating is necessary. To areas in the world that they are not.

So where do you move the citizens of Edmonton, Alberta?

To the 'Hot Spots' you said didn't need air conditioning.

Since excessive cooling and heating are equal culprits:

Large populations can live and work, abet sweating, with no air-conditioning in Hot Climates.

Large populations cannot live and work in cold climates without heating.

Therefore, to Save our Climate, and for the health and safety of cold climate population.

They must move.

But there are problems with hot places where the ambient is greater than 37C (99F).

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Or perhaps moving the Global Warming Populations from areas where heating is necessary. To areas in the world that they are not.

So where do you move the citizens of Edmonton, Alberta?

To the 'Hot Spots' you said didn't need air conditioning.

Since excessive cooling and heating are equal culprits:

Large populations can live and work, abet sweating, with no air-conditioning in Hot Climates.

Large populations cannot live and work in cold climates without heating.

Therefore, to Save our Climate, and for the health and safety of cold climate population.

They must move.

But there are problems with hot places where the ambient is greater than 37C (99F).

Better that, than having Large population 'Heaters' destroying out planet.

Repeating: The 'Heaters' and 'Coolers', are both destroying our planet.

Build better buildings, not fancy glass structures.

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Nuclear fusion . A fool's game for power production.

Build better buildings, not fancy glass structures.

Awaiting the same from the 'Heaters'.

We who are trudging across the tundra. Mile after mile.
We know how to build better buildings.
Not only because of trying to save the planet from excessive CO2 emmisions.
Energy is expensive. Especially in the winter.

An example what we can do.
They have built a building close to the Central Station in Stockholm.
That building is now heated from the heat generated from all the people who are at the station.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-12137680

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37671825

UN: Farming needs to harvest chance to cut emissions

A report by the Food and Agriculture Organization said agriculture accounted for about a fifth of emissions, which it said needed to be reduced.

The State of Food & Agriculture 2016 report said "business as usual" would leave millions at risk from hunger.

Last year, nations adopted a UN goal of ending hunger by 2030.

"The climate is changing, so agriculture must change too," explained Rob Voss, director of FAO's Agricultural Development Economics division.

"We are saying that because agriculture is already very affected by the impacts of climate change, particularly the countries in the tropical zones.

"Also, agriculture is contributing itself to about one fifth of the global emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases," Mr Voss, who headed the team that produced the FAO State of Food & Agriculture 2016 report, added.

"If we continue along the present pathways then we will not be able to [deliver] food security around the world and we will not be able to stabilise the climate."

Major changes

As a result, he told BBC News, there was a need for "major changes" to take place in the sector.

"One of the challenges is agriculture itself. As soon as we shovel the ground then we are already releasing greenhouse gas emissions. Also, as it is so dependent on water and quality of land, any impact from the change in climate has a direct impact."

Nice to see that point mentioned in the Media.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Nice to see that point mentioned in the Media.

And this of course.

A third area where we can immediately start work on is to reduce food losses and waste. We estimate that about one third of the food we produce gets lost in the post-harvest process or gets wasted at the consumer end.

I have seen other figures about the waste and it's about 50%.

Nice to see that point mentioned in the Media.

And this of course.

A third area where we can immediately start work on is to reduce food losses and waste. We estimate that about one third of the food we produce gets lost in the post-harvest process or gets wasted at the consumer end.

I have seen other figures about the waste and it's about 50%.

Food waste does not matter when, in order to solve the GHG problem, you CAN'T grow any.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I'm all for reversing population growth.

I feel that may be the only way to continue on the earth.
There really are no other viable options.

The growing of food is a natural function, we wouldn't be here at all if it wasn't.

It's the deliberate growing of too much that is the problem. The fact that we in 'the west' eat twice as much as needed and as Janne said, 50% is wasted, I also saw that 50% report, we could cut food production to about 25% for our actual needs.
Add to that all the plants grown to produce ethanol, which we probably don't need and is also being questioned about its greenness as a fuel.

All in all the crops grown for our consumption in 'the west' could probably feed all of the African population as well if used right.

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I'm all for reversing population growth.

I feel that may be the only way to continue on the earth.
There really are no other viable options.

Stop sex? Have Sex Police in every bedroom? Force most women to abort?

There are only two alternatives.

Either Commit Genocide. Or attempt to exist with our future climate.

The growth of children in the world has already stopped.
Statistics to give an overview of population growth and an explanation of why the total human population will never reach 11 billion, as others predict and fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI