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Message 1867978 - Posted: 18 May 2017, 17:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 1867973.  

Think of all the CO2 to grow the beans, pick the beans, ship the beans, roast the beans, ship the beans, grind the beans, heat the water, decompose the grounds.
You could have just had a glass of water. ;-)

Yes. Water has become a scarce resource nowadays.
Why?
Warmer climate means less fresh water!
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Message 1871552 - Posted: 7 Jun 2017, 12:50:49 UTC - in response to Message 1867265.  
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Just another positive instance for what is happening now in the UK and for what can be done further...

As shown by Gridwatch (UK) (despite the bias shown towards fossil fuels...), at the moment the UK electricity is being powered by about 75% NON-fossils.

The mix is:

Coal:       0%
Gas:       26%
Nuclear:   23%
Wind:      10%
Solar:     24%
Biomass:    7%
Imports:    9%


(The imported electricity is from Holland and France which is wind and nuclear. There is also hydro and Ireland import at about 0.5% each.)


There is more wind power and solar to come online, despite subsidies being slashed/removed such that oil remains the biggest beneficiary via 'tax breaks' (pollution costs be damned).

Here's hoping that where morals and pollution have failed, the cold costs will eventually win. Hopefully not too late...

We have another bright and breezy day and so that last record has been broken with:

Coal:       0%
Gas:       21%
Nuclear:   24%
Wind:      20%
Solar:     21%
Biomass:    5%
Imports:    8%


Interestingly, wind out-powered the gas power during the last two overnight periods. Running towards the early hours last night, it was looking like we were going to have a gas-free night (WOW :-) )... Until the wind began to abate.

So that's nearly 80% non-fossils at the moment! Way to go!!


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Message 1871751 - Posted: 8 Jun 2017, 14:35:47 UTC - in response to Message 1871552.  
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And that has hit the main news:


Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for first time

... National Grid reported that, on Wednesday lunchtime, power from wind, solar, hydro and wood pellet burning supplied 50.7% of UK energy.

Add in nuclear, and by 2pm low carbon sources were producing 72.1% of electricity in the UK...

... On Tuesday, a tenth of the UK's power was coming from offshore wind farms - a newcomer on the energy scene whose costs have plummeted far faster than expected. So much power was being generated by wind turbines, in fact, that prices fell to a tenth of their normal level...

... At the time of Wednesday's record, 1% of demand was met by storage; this will have to increase hugely as the UK moves towards a low-carbon electricity system.



Way to go... But how soon?

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Message 1872924 - Posted: 14 Jun 2017, 15:16:51 UTC - in response to Message 1871751.  
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The fossils have been kept down to powering well less than half the UK electricity for a good while now. That has been made possible largely by the combined power of nuclear, wind and solar.


Looks like we will be getting more of the wind power:

The massive farms harnessing an invisible force

... In December 2016, the World Economic Forum reported that as the cost of producing wind turbines has fallen by more than 30% in the last three years, the cost of electricity from wind power has fallen to $50 per megawatt hour on average worldwide, without subsidies. That’s half the cost of coal...

... When completed in 2021, phase one of Hornsea’s construction alone will make it the largest offshore wind farm in the world with a capacity of up to 1.2GW. Depending on planning for the final stages, the entire farm could have 4-6GW of capacity when completed in the mid-2020s – enough to power more than four million homes, or roughly 15% of all the homes in the UK...

... For now, Britain’s turbines seem to satisfy many of the requirements we have of renewable energy. They’re clean, they don’t get in the way of ordinary people, and they give a boost to local industry. The long-term advantages and disadvantages may soon become clearer. But for now, the new blades at Burbo Bank spin on, the power they generate flowing into the grid.



How soon can we break the fossils power corruption and pollution?...

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Message 1873715 - Posted: 18 Jun 2017, 1:01:16 UTC
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I think I will move to Gillete Wyoming.
Starting some coal industry.
And gonna be real rich:)

No. There are better ways.
Renewable energy is not any longer a fantasy.
It's now already cheaper than fossile fuel.
Even in Texas!
https://www.svtplay.se/video/14034616/fossilbranschens-sista-strid/dokument-utifran-fossilbranschens-sista-strid-fossilbranschens-sista-strid?info=visa
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Message 1876481 - Posted: 2 Jul 2017, 19:54:15 UTC

Hawking says Trump's climate stance could damage Earth.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40461726
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Message 1876581 - Posted: 3 Jul 2017, 11:06:47 UTC - in response to Message 1876574.  

Solar Power Will Kill Coal Faster Than You Think
Bloomberg New Energy Finance’s outlook shows renewables will be cheaper almost everywhere in just a few years.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-15/solar-power-will-kill-coal-sooner-than-you-think
Ceterum censeo, ref. climate change, that Mr Donald Trump and the USA have established themselves as enemies of planet Earth and mankind. This needs to be settled.

True.
But your precious president have other ideas!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880564232588107779
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Message 1878158 - Posted: 14 Jul 2017, 1:31:15 UTC

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Message 1878187 - Posted: 14 Jul 2017, 4:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 1878158.  

I love it:)
If only politicians could listen to us and recognize all the grass root efforts being done already there is still hope.
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Message 1896914 - Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 18:45:49 UTC
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Bloomberg is following through to power cleanly ahead whilst Trump seems to be playing the old game of Nero:


Bloomberg pledges $64M for anti-coal initiatives

Billionaire philanthropist Michael Bloomberg is making a new $64 million commitment to environmental groups’ efforts to shut down coal-fired power plants and replace them with cleaner forms of electricity generation...

... “The war on coal is a fight for America’s health, for our economy and our environment, and our competitive place in the world. And it’s a fight we’re going to win, no matter what anybody in Washington says,” he said.

“This is to save American lives and save the American economy. This is our future, and going in the wrong direction is just needlessly inflicting pain on all of us, and it has to stop.”

... Since the Sierra Club launched the program, almost half of the nation’s coal fleet — 259 plants — has shut down or committed to do so, according to figures the group tracks. That includes 11 plants since Trump’s inauguration. The group claims that the closures have reduced deaths related to coal pollution by 42 percent.

Bloomberg said his donation is meant in part to push back at Trump’s pro-coal policies...




Mike Bloomberg, Carl Pope say jobs come from clean energy, not coal

... in India right now if you put out a bid, solar comes in first, wind comes in second, coal comes in a poor third, in terms of cost.”

“We are now at a point at which alternative means of creating energy are lower than fossil fuel?” asked co-anchor Charlie Rose.

“Cleaner means cheaper,” Pope said. “Cheaper equals cleaner. That’s what clean energy has become.”

Bloomberg also condemned President Trump’s rollback of pollution controls for mining companies, which the president called “job-killing.” “If we start putting the tailings of these coal mines into the rivers —which an EPA regulation just got rolled back and will now permit — people downstream are going to all of sudden wake up one day and find they and their kids have been poisoned,” Bloomberg said.

Mr. Trump, who is seeking to cut the Envrionmental Protection Agency’s budget by about one-third, promised to end a supposed “war on coal” and bring back jobs for unemployed coal miners.

“Unfortunately for people who work in the coal injury, technology is devastating them,” Bloomberg said. “Back in 1925, there were 800,000 people that worked in coal; in 1980 there were 250,000. Today there’s 55,000 — and production has gone up. It’s all technology that’s destroying jobs. “We can’t just sit here and say ‘woe to us’ or ‘woe to the coal miners.’ We’ve got to do something. And what you have to do is help them train for other jobs because those [coal] jobs aren’t going to come back.” ...




America can help make a cleaner and better world... With a good change for the better for all, including for those lost in old coal.

Hopefully sooner rather than too late!


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Message 1910427 - Posted: 4 Jan 2018, 0:47:28 UTC
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I admit I haven't read much of this thread, but this was the best place I could find to post this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/01/on-its-hundredth-birthday-in-1959-edward-teller-warned-the-oil-industry-about-global-warming

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Message 1912389 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 19:47:07 UTC

Could the push for action on Climate Change be swinging from politics to economics?

New York City just declared war on the oil industry
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Message 1912393 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 20:48:36 UTC

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Message 1912395 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 21:03:24 UTC - in response to Message 1912389.  

Could the push for action on Climate Change be swinging from politics to economics?
New York City just declared war on the oil industry

And yesterday Trump met Norway's Prime Minister Erna Solberg.
At the press conference after the meeting, Donald Trump also opened the door a bit so that the United States could remain in the Paris agreement - when he was asked by a Norwegian journalist.
"Honestly, it's an agreement I do not have problems with, we might consider going back to it. I feel strongly about the climate. We want clean air and clean water, but we also want an industry that can compete and the deal made it harder for us to be competitive, "said Donald Trump.
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Message 1912408 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1912400.  
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Many institutions over the last few years have been divesting themselves of fossil fuel stocks. NY city is just the latest but possibly the most visible to the outside world, as in the world's money markets it is the most powerful.
And of course clean energy stocks have risen and the forecasts think this will continue.
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Message 1912412 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 1912400.  

Does anyone understand negotiation strategy?
The Donald does.

Negotiation strategy?
So what strategy does the Donald have about the climate change?
He doesn't have a clue about climate change strategy.
His tactics however is to avoid the problem and "saving" US tax payers money so he will stay in power.
Well. Future presidents will say "Thank you very much Don, but now New York City, Southern Florida, Southern Louisiana and many other parts of US are now flooded"
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Message 1912417 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1912412.  

Does anyone understand negotiation strategy?
The Donald does.

Negotiation strategy?
So what strategy does the Donald have about the climate change?
He doesn't have a clue about climate change strategy.
His tactics however is to avoid the problem and "saving" US tax payers money so he will stay in power.
Well. Future presidents will say "Thank you very much Don, but now New York City, Southern Florida, Southern Louisiana and many other parts of US are now flooded"

What is there to negotiate, under the Paris agreement each country is allowed to set its own goals and to change them whenever they want.
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Message 1912419 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 23:14:19 UTC - in response to Message 1912417.  

Does anyone understand negotiation strategy?
The Donald does.

Negotiation strategy?
So what strategy does the Donald have about the climate change?
He doesn't have a clue about climate change strategy.
His tactics however is to avoid the problem and "saving" US tax payers money so he will stay in power.
Well. Future presidents will say "Thank you very much Don, but now New York City, Southern Florida, Southern Louisiana and many other parts of US are now flooded"

What is there to negotiate, under the Paris agreement each country is allowed to set its own goals and to change them whenever they want.

I wonder too. Trump however thinks otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement
In the Paris Agreement, each country determines, plans and regularly reports its own contribution it should make in order to mitigate global warming.[6] There is no mechanism to force[7] a country to set a specific target by a specific date,[8] but each target should go beyond previously set targets.
In June 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump announced his intention to withdraw the United States from the agreement, causing widespread condemnation both internationally and domestically. Under the agreement, the earliest effective date of withdrawal for the U.S. is November 2020, shortly before the end of President Trump's first term.
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Message 1912434 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 0:33:15 UTC - in response to Message 1912422.  
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Are you suggesting that to avoid Maunder Minimums we shouldn't care that our climate will get warmer over time regardless of them?
Sorry. That would be disastrous.
Future Maunder Minimums will not be as cold as they would be when the greenhouse gas levels where at a historical "normal" level.
And after 50, 60 years our planet will be even more warmer after the next Maunder Minimum.

Some depictions from the last Maunder Minimum in Scandinavia in the 17th Century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Across_the_Belts
Won't happen next time.
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Message 1912440 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 1:36:33 UTC

I think we can ignore the Maunder Minimum theory, it wasn't worldwide, in fact mainly confined to countries close to the North Sea.

For the first half of that period in the 16th century the US NE was warmer than normal. The Europeans that went to US might of though it was happening there, but we now know, at the same latitude North America is colder than Europe.
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