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Message 1862636 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 5:56:19 UTC

MK, havn't we made enough holes in Mother Earth taking it out for it to go back into until we need it for something else?

<soapbox time>Also if you're going to talk metric then it's called a "tonne" ("tonnes" for plural) when you're talking in kilograms as well, that's a sign of laziness (and I thought you were a good salesman there for a bit, but you ruined that just then), as it separates it from a long from a short ton (or gallons even), but we know where true greed comes from on the later measures (don't we?).

It really is about time that the U.S. and the U.K. drop those ridiculous and out of date measures so that yous can get up with the rest (greater majority) of the world. ;-)
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Message 1862640 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 6:20:47 UTC - in response to Message 1862580.  
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Global warming/climate change did NOT start when the industrial revolution began... That is a DA*N LIE.

Lie? Then explain this temperature data from 1000 years ago to today.

The MAIN problem in all of this is the insanely immense size of the human population... We, as a species, can't afford it any longer.

Actually that is a bottom line that is very true.
Solutions?
I know several but I chose not to mention them...
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Message 1862694 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 13:05:12 UTC

The Nightmare Scenario for Florida’s Coastal Homeowners
And all of that could happen before the rising sea consumes a single home.

As President Donald Trump proposes dismantling federal programs aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions, officials and residents in South Florida are grappling with the risk that climate change could drag down housing markets. Relative sea levels in South Florida are roughly four inches higher now than in 1992. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicts sea levels will rise as much as three feet in Miami by 2060. By the end of the century, according to projections by Zillow, some 934,000 existing Florida properties, worth more than $400 billion, are at risk of being submerged.

The impact is already being felt in South Florida. Tidal flooding now predictably drenches inland streets, even when the sun is out, thanks to the region’s porous limestone bedrock. Saltwater is creeping into the drinking water supply. The area’s drainage canals rely on gravity; as oceans rise, the water utility has had to install giant pumps to push water out to the ocean.


Wondering when the club at Mar-a-Lago, West Palm Beach will be valued at $0.
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Message 1862703 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 14:33:03 UTC - in response to Message 1862636.  

MK, havn't we made enough holes in Mother Earth taking it out for it to go back into until we need it for something else?

<soapbox time>Also if you're going to talk metric then it's called a "tonne" ("tonnes" for plural) when you're talking in kilograms as well, that's a sign of laziness (and I thought you were a good salesman there for a bit, but you ruined that just then), as it separates it from a long from a short ton (or gallons even), but we know where true greed comes from on the later measures (don't we?).

It really is about time that the U.S. and the U.K. drop those ridiculous and out of date measures so that yous can get up with the rest (greater majority) of the world. ;-)
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Well, wiggo...

If that is your only complaint, I must be going quite a bit better than I thought.


Ton... Tonne....

That is a British/US spelling difference... only...

Similar to:

Color vs. Colour

Enterprize vs. Enterprise

or, perhaps more to the point

Liter vs. Litre

We, in the USA, sometimes spell things differently than the Brits do, and that was a purposeful decision made by our Founding Fathers right after the War for Independence.


My laziness was in failing to say 'Metric Ton' instead of 'Ton', NOT in leaving the ending 'ne' off of 'ton'. I did not think it would be a source of confusion due to my continued use of units like 'kg', g, m, cm... I apologize for confusing you.


s/ton/metric ton/

It really is about time that the U.S. and the U.K. drop those ridiculous and out of date measures so that yous can get up with the rest (greater majority) of the world. ;-)


Totally, 100% agree.

But then, we get to the problem of exactly WHICH 'metric' system you mean...

SI (also known as the MKS (Meter-Kilogram-Second) system)?
The CGS (Centimeter-Gram-Second) system? (used by a few sub-disciplines of science)

There are others.... the MTS (meter-ton-second) system proposed in the USSR/Russia... but let us restrict ourselves to the main 2.

These systems have different names for the derived units...

For instance, the unit of 'force'.

In the SI/MKS system, the derived unit of force is the Newton... 1 Newton is 1 kilogram-meter per second squared... kg m / s^2...

In the CGS system the derived unit of force is the dyne... 1 dyne is 1 gram-centimeter per second squared... g cm / s^2...

1 dyne = 10^(-5) Newton

When I was a child, many years ago, I learned all 3 systems (SI/MKS, CGS, and US Customary)...

The US Government tried to standardize the US on the SI/MKS, but that fizzled... Way too many people resisted it, many of which were either Parents or School teachers that just couldn't be arsed to learn the 'new' stuff when it was to be taught in school.

I have been expecting the US to standardize on the SI/MKS system now for over 45 years now.... but it ain't happened yet.

I must admit to a great deal of disappointment and depression over the total backwardness of the US Citizenry in this matter....

The SI is WAY better than the 'US Customary' units...
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1863165 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 8:25:47 UTC
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Message 1863178 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 9:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1863165.  

There's more truth in this, then not:

https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10154325981007807/?autoplay_reason=user_settings&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0;)

The problem i have with that video is that it's on Facebook, and i don't do Facebook, never will.
Still most new technology, hybrid, electric, Solar, wind, mass storage, etc..., all feed into a convergence of zero GHG technologies.
The Lynchpin will be a Fusion reactor, the Holy Grail of sustainable energy for humanity.
I can say with certainty that we're 25 years closer to a fusion reactor than we were 25 years ago.
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Message 1863192 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 11:49:14 UTC - in response to Message 1862703.  
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I have been expecting the US to standardize on the SI/MKS system now for over 45 years now.... but it ain't happened yet.

From all scientific papers published in US today it seems you already are using the SI system.
However in public the US still hang on to measurement units like Fahrenheit and miles.
And PSI (pounds per square inches) of course.
Until the metering system in 1878 was introduced in Sweden, the "rikslikare" for 1 foot and 1 pound were stored in the Royal Treasury.

Btw KLiK. Love that Facebook clip:)
Electric cars are more efficient than gas cars, but where do you think that energy comes from?
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Message 1863223 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 14:56:51 UTC
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So..............
It seems that my driving my 27yo Cutlass Ciera might actually be doing the planet a favor, eh?
Kept in very fine tune, it has been contributing no manufacturing emissions since GM produced it 27 years ago.
And yes, when I had the exhaust replaced a few weeks ago, I did have the cat converter done as well. Did not cheat, even though we do not have emissions testing here in Wisconsin.

Wouldn't you really rather be driving an Olds?
Yup, that's my baby, Toothless.
And almost as mint, but silver.
Guess I missed out on that cash back deal............by a few years. LOL.

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Message 1863230 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 15:20:08 UTC - in response to Message 1863223.  

So..............
It seems that my driving my 27yo Cutlass Ciera might actually be doing the planet a favor, eh?
Kept in very fine tune, it has been contributing no manufacturing emissions since GM produced it 27 years ago.
And yes, when I had the exhaust replaced a few weeks ago, I did have the cat converter done as well. Did not cheat, even though we do not have emissions testing here in Wisconsin.
Wouldn't you really rather be driving an Olds?
Yup, that's my baby, Toothless.
And almost as mint, but silver.
Guess I missed out on that cash back deal............by a few years. LOL.
Meow.

Yes. It's only when you buy a new car to often like buying them perhaps every 10 years the car that they becomes a danger to climate change.
Arf:)
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Message 1863231 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 15:22:25 UTC

And I planted 4 new trees to try to offset the destruction my neighbors caused when they tore down 9 trees that were 60 years old.
I also gave food to the other fine trees adorning my earthly plot. For I do so love them.

What did YOU do to save the planet this week?
I am not what you would call a tree-hugger. My loss of those trees devastated me, and for good reason.
But that was totally unjustified.

I realize that mankind's existence requires a price.

But I also realize that there are things that in a small way, add up to make a difference.

What have you done this week? Maybe just toss a soda can into the recycle instead of into the trash?

Anything at all?
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Message 1863603 - Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 6:10:27 UTC

The new 20% duty by the USA on Canadian lumber is a great step towards reducing climate change.
The cost of lumber for construction will go up in the USA, and go down in Canada.
Less wood will be used, and more trees will be spared from harvest.
Hail to the chief meddler.
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Message 1864088 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 0:51:51 UTC

A scientific experiment to PROVE that the leaking of harmful greenhouse gases in the Arctic can be slowed.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/urgent-how-you-can-help-bring-back-the-woolly-mammoth-arctic-landscape/
And how you can help.
https://youtu.be/MfLwGLSs-Uk
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Message 1864092 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 1:00:26 UTC - in response to Message 1864088.  

A scientific experiment to PROVE that the leaking of harmful greenhouse gases in the Arctic can be slowed.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/urgent-how-you-can-help-bring-back-the-woolly-mammoth-arctic-landscape/
And how you can help.
https://youtu.be/MfLwGLSs-Uk

After seeing the pic of Sergey Zimov I thought that I was either looking in a mirror or that I had a long lost twin brother. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1864110 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 1:31:36 UTC - in response to Message 1864092.  

A scientific experiment to PROVE that the leaking of harmful greenhouse gases in the Arctic can be slowed.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/urgent-how-you-can-help-bring-back-the-woolly-mammoth-arctic-landscape/
And how you can help.
https://youtu.be/MfLwGLSs-Uk

After seeing the pic of Sergey Zimov I thought that I was either looking in a mirror or that I had a long lost twin brother. ;-)
Cheers.

Here is Sergey.
https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/519000/the-russian-scientists-bringing-back-the-ice-age/
There is still hope:)
If not the Arctic region will have 4 centigrades warmer winters in only 30 years!
That's a FACT!
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Message 1867262 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 13:51:27 UTC - in response to Message 1864110.  
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A scientific experiment to PROVE that the leaking of harmful greenhouse gases in the Arctic can be slowed.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/urgent-how-you-can-help-bring-back-the-woolly-mammoth-arctic-landscape/
And how you can help.
https://youtu.be/MfLwGLSs-Uk

After seeing the pic of Sergey Zimov I thought that I was either looking in a mirror or that I had a long lost twin brother. ;-)
Cheers.

Here is Sergey.
https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/519000/the-russian-scientists-bringing-back-the-ice-age/
There is still hope:)
If not the Arctic region will have 4 centigrades warmer winters in only 30 years!
That's a FACT!

EXCELLENT effort and by just ONE isolated family.

That sort of inspiration and dedication for PRACTICAL positive action is what may well save us all yet...

That and overcoming the corruption of greedy profitable pollution at all costs...


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Message 1867265 - Posted: 14 May 2017, 14:03:35 UTC
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Just another positive instance for what is happening now in the UK and for what can be done further...

As shown by Gridwatch (UK) (despite the bias shown towards fossil fuels...), at the moment the UK electricity is being powered by about 75% NON-fossils.

The mix is:

Coal:       0%
Gas:       26%
Nuclear:   23%
Wind:      10%
Solar:     24%
Biomass:    7%
Imports:    9%


(The imported electricity is from Holland and France which is wind and nuclear. There is also hydro and Ireland import at about 0.5% each.)


There is more wind power and solar to come online, despite subsidies being slashed/removed such that oil remains the biggest beneficiary via 'tax breaks' (pollution costs be damned).

Here's hoping that where morals and pollution have failed, the cold costs will eventually win. Hopefully not too late...


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Message 1867857 - Posted: 18 May 2017, 3:53:03 UTC

"Villains" of the recycling world
Number 1 - Pringle tubes.
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"Villains" of the recycling world
Number 1 - Pringle tubes.


Surprised it wasn't mentioned: In North America, I would say #1 is the one-use coffee pods (most popularly Keurig) for the same reason as Pringles tubes: they are a meld of four dissimilar materials that have to be manually separated to be recycled (aluminum lid and fabric(?) filter bonded to a plastic cup with coffee grounds or tea leaves) so the vast majority of them end up in the trash. Their prevalence in Canadian landfills has been noticed. Keurig is apparently working on a new design.

<<shrug>> I just use instant myself. And there are reusable K-cup filters that one adds their own ground coffee to.
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Message 1867954 - Posted: 18 May 2017, 15:43:27 UTC - in response to Message 1867913.  

I fresh grind for every pot of coffee, use a mesh filter and compost the grounds. every thing is recyclable.
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Message 1867973 - Posted: 18 May 2017, 17:07:08 UTC

Think of all the CO2 to grow the beans, pick the beans, ship the beans, roast the beans, ship the beans, grind the beans, heat the water, decompose the grounds.

You could have just had a glass of water. ;-)
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