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Message 1814985 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 10:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 1814955.  
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The US and China - together responsible for 40% of the world's carbon emissions - have both formally joined the Paris global climate agreement.



Mankind contributes very little to "Carbon Emissions" due to combustion for energy creation. We may however need to worry about air pollution, ocean fouling and ground water contamination in our big industrial centers and cities. Carbon is not the problem. Please spend your fervent energies on the real environmental problems and quit trying to put our societies out of business all together.
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Message 1814987 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 10:39:03 UTC - in response to Message 1814985.  

Mankind contributes very little to "Carbon Emissions" due to combustion for energy creation?
But the graph clearly says Agricultural Soil Management is by far the biggest contributor.
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Message 1815014 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 15:33:54 UTC

I'm sick and tired of the warmists who are in denial about the magnitude of the problem. They wave their hands and claim one more solar panel will solve it. BS!
http://bio4climate.org/2014/05/24/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-wont-end-global-warming/ wrote:
The rapid rise of atmospheric CO2 to levels recently exceeding 400 parts per million (ppm) is an unprecedented climatic event in the past several centuries of modern human evolution (Royal Society 2014). The speed and scale of current climate change trends is truly remarkable, making adaptation by both humans and the natural world a complex and unique challenge. In addressing this challenge, many politicians, climate activists, and policymakers often point to reducing fossil fuel and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions as the sole answer. Science is telling a different story, however, and it is time for us to listen.

Even in the best case scenario for GHG emissions reduction–a zero sum emissions scenario–global temperatures will not decrease fast enough to reverse the current trends of climate change. Climate models indicate that even with a zero emissions scenario, atmospheric temperature will continue to rise and, at best, stabilize or slowly decrease over decades to even centuries before hitting safe levels (Zickfeld et al. 2013, MacDougall et al. 2012). To reduce temperatures there must be a net removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, for which there are multiple viable strategies that actuate the CO2 capture and storage potential of the biosphere. This truth is well known among a minority of climate scientists and activists, but continues to be omitted from conventional dialogues about the climate change crisis.

The solution is to rapidly reduce human population to a sustainable level around 500 million.
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Message 1815051 - Posted: 4 Sep 2016, 18:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1814997.  
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carbon is scarcely a greenhouse gas. There are far more effective gases that are in larger supply such as water vapor.



I am glad that you are going to do something about CO-2. lets start with Mother Nature which produces 30 times what man does.

For example, the natural decay of organic material in forests and grasslands and the action of forest fires results in the release of about 439 gigatons of carbon dioxide every year, human activity produces 29 gigatons. there are other natural sources as well, the respiration of all animal and cellular life, Volcanoes and so on.

My alter ego has been aware of this threat for some time now



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Message 1816044 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 1:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1815014.  
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I'm sick and tired of the warmists who are in denial about the magnitude of the problem. They wave their hands and claim one more solar panel will solve it. BS!


http://bio4climate.org/2014/05/24/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-wont-end-global-warming/ wrote:

The rapid rise of atmospheric CO2 to levels recently exceeding 400 parts per million (ppm) is an unprecedented climatic event in the past several centuries of modern human evolution (Royal Society 2014). The speed and scale of current climate change trends is truly remarkable, making adaptation by both humans and the natural world a complex and unique challenge. In addressing this challenge, many politicians, climate activists, and policymakers often point to reducing fossil fuel and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions as the sole answer. Science is telling a different story, however, and it is time for us to listen.

Even in the best case scenario for GHG emissions reduction–a zero sum emissions scenario–global temperatures will not decrease fast enough to reverse the current trends of climate change. Climate models indicate that even with a zero emissions scenario, atmospheric temperature will continue to rise and, at best, stabilize or slowly decrease over decades to even centuries before hitting safe levels (Zickfeld et al. 2013, MacDougall et al. 2012). To reduce temperatures there must be a net removal of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, for which there are multiple viable strategies that actuate the CO2 capture and storage potential of the biosphere. This truth is well known among a minority of climate scientists and activists, but continues to be omitted from conventional dialogues about the climate change crisis.

The solution is to rapidly reduce human population to a sustainable level around 500 million.


So Gary what you saying mate to use Hitler Final solution and use "Mein Kampf" and the manifesto

You are aware that Solar Panels as of only a few months ago have had a 120% increase in the amount of power they can produce ..

We Ozzies just Smashed the world record for Solar panels and now the new batterys are being produced whatch this space
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Message 1816064 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 2:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 1816044.  

So Gary what you saying mate to use Hitler Final solution and use "Mein Kampf" and the manifesto

Don't be daft that won't be near fast enough ....

You are aware that Solar Panels as of only a few months ago have had a 120% increase in the amount of power they can produce ..

We Ozzies just Smashed the world record for Solar panels and now the new batterys are being produced whatch this space

In the time it take me to write the post enough babies have been born to eat up all that gain. 410 ... 420 ... 430 ... 440 ... 450 ... 460 ppm here we come. Unbounded growth.

Glenn, if we were on a star-ship on a 500 year voyage you would have no issue with there being a population limit would you? Only enough food, air, space, etc. for the trip.

Guess what? The Earth is a star-ship and we either self impose a population limit or we all die.

Get over it!
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Message 1816144 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 13:44:51 UTC

Nasa animation shows stunning year in the life of carbon emissions


Don't know what I am supposed to be seeing here. It's like a graph with no scale on the axes. Also it is animation. What would an animation look like for oxygen emissions--really scary no doubt.
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Message 1816145 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 13:49:44 UTC - in response to Message 1816144.  

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum | NASA


We are admittedly seeing some shifts in the climate of our old mudball.

If the cycle of Artic ice melting shows a diminishing year over year and the cycle lasts for a decade or so it will be a boon to shipping across a good portion of the Earth--at least during the Northern Hemisphere Summer.
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Message 1816573 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 3:46:01 UTC - in response to Message 1816064.  
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So Gary what you saying mate to use Hitler Final solution and use "Mein Kampf" and the manifesto

Don't be daft that won't be near fast enough ....


say what not fast enough wow I have to reassess weather your a good man on not after that one :-)

Glenn, if we were on a star-ship on a 500 year voyage you would have no issue with there being a population limit would you? Only enough food, air, space, etc. for the trip.


No I would not but I would have a problem of spacing people thou to keep said population under control on such a trip

Guess what? The Earth is a star-ship and we either self impose a population limit or we all die.


Who says we are even close to the limit of what Star ship Earth can hold the rich and greedy of this world that take more than they can look after ?????

Funny people forget things they are taught when they are young ."One should never buy or own what you can't look after and maintain buy yourself "

Edit: that is why you can have more than 1 wife in Islam but the rule is you must be able to share your time evenly amongst all your wife's and if you can't then you are not sposed to have more than 1 wife .And the same rule for everything else you do also applys , even the Bible says that (but not about more than 1 wife thou)
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Message 1816593 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 4:52:51 UTC - in response to Message 1816573.  
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Who says we are even close to the limit of what Star ship Earth can hold the rich and greedy of this world that take more than they can look after ?????

Here for one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

You might want to read the rest of the text as well.

<ed>Do you know how preposterous your part about the rich and greedy is? They depend upon there always being more people. A ponzi scheme to sell more and more to more and more forever. They would instantly be broke if the population contracted.
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Message 1816601 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 5:53:55 UTC - in response to Message 1816593.  

<ed>Do you know how preposterous your part about the rich and greedy is?


Gary you are naïve mate . The rich are Hippocrates they will say one thing like there's to many people and we need to cut our population but that's only for show when they really means what you said .

Oh you sort of missed it mate . Rich is anybody earning more than what I get so that also means the average joe who has a job , emm your a average joe aren't you and you call for population decrease your also richer than me ......

Ops I better go sit in the corner after that one hehehehehehe
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Message 1816792 - Posted: 13 Sep 2016, 0:30:11 UTC
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Here's a good trio of headlines to push the climate compass towards a better direction:


World's first large-scale tidal energy farm launches in Scotland



Solar-powered tuk-tuk reaches UK after road trip from India



Why we should have fewer children: to save the world




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So Gary what you saying mate to use Hitler Final solution and use "Mein Kampf" and the manifesto

Don't be daft that won't be near fast enough ....

You are aware that Solar Panels as of only a few months ago have had a 120% increase in the amount of power they can produce ..

We Ozzies just Smashed the world record for Solar panels and now the new batterys are being produced whatch this space

In the time it take me to write the post enough babies have been born to eat up all that gain. 410 ... 420 ... 430 ... 440 ... 450 ... 460 ppm here we come. Unbounded growth.

Glenn, if we were on a star-ship on a 500 year voyage you would have no issue with there being a population limit would you? Only enough food, air, space, etc. for the trip.

Guess what? The Earth is a star-ship and we either self impose a population limit or we all die.

Get over it!

I don't think that imposing that we ALL need to impose population limit...Croatia has 4,2mil people with about 76sq-km per capita...so don't think we need to limit our population!

Don't get me wrong, some countries do need!

Maybe there+s a will in the World to get the people spread-ed all over the World...so to have impose a limit of XYZsq-km per capita in US on ALL countries...& let them use "tools to do it", so to have people spread all over their countries...
While other countries like Croatia (or Australia) have to grow population!


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Message 1817780 - Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 8:40:31 UTC - in response to Message 1817535.  

Maybe there+s a will in the World to get the people spread-ed all over the World...so to have impose a limit of XYZsq-km per capita in US on ALL countries...& let them use "tools to do it", so to have people spread all over their countries...
While other countries like Croatia (or Australia) have to grow population

Who are the 'Imposers'?

Who controls the 'Imposers'?

Be careful of giving power to your friends. That you wouldn't give to your enemies.

Like I said, it would be UN who could say something like that! & all states has to agree on that.. ;)


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Message 1817788 - Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 9:37:10 UTC - in response to Message 1817780.  

Maybe there+s a will in the World to get the people spread-ed all over the World...so to have impose a limit of XYZsq-km per capita in US on ALL countries...& let them use "tools to do it", so to have people spread all over their countries...
While other countries like Croatia (or Australia) have to grow population

Who are the 'Imposers'?

Who controls the 'Imposers'?

Be careful of giving power to your friends. That you wouldn't give to your enemies.

Like I said, it would be UN who could say something like that! & all states has to agree on that.. ;)


I think you have it wrong...

Croatia is 76 people per km^2.... not 76 km^2 per person.

By comparison the USA is 33 people per km^2, Australia is 3.3 people per km^2, etc.

The various nations in the world range from Macau with 18,534 people per km^2 down to Greenland with 0.026 people per km^2.

What you may be forgetting is that not all parts of the world are capable of supporting equal numbers of people per km^2.

Oh.... and BUGGER the U.N.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1818163 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 5:48:22 UTC - in response to Message 1817788.  

Maybe there+s a will in the World to get the people spread-ed all over the World...so to have impose a limit of XYZsq-km per capita in US on ALL countries...& let them use "tools to do it", so to have people spread all over their countries...
While other countries like Croatia (or Australia) have to grow population

Who are the 'Imposers'?

Who controls the 'Imposers'?

Be careful of giving power to your friends. That you wouldn't give to your enemies.

Like I said, it would be UN who could say something like that! & all states has to agree on that.. ;)


I think you have it wrong...

Croatia is 76 people per km^2.... not 76 km^2 per person.

By comparison the USA is 33 people per km^2, Australia is 3.3 people per km^2, etc.

The various nations in the world range from Macau with 18,534 people per km^2 down to Greenland with 0.026 people per km^2.

What you may be forgetting is that not all parts of the world are capable of supporting equal numbers of people per km^2.

Oh.... and BUGGER the U.N.

Thx for correction!

Of course, some places are not capable - so lets make them capable!
less % taxes there...more infrastructure...more benefits...

maybe then a World would blossom?!
No need to have all people in few places...

It's even good for anti-terrorist...imagine this:
- drop a bomb on Zagreb & 1/4 of population & 1/2 of BDP is gone!
- similar things in US...New York CSA is about 23 million, that almost 8% of people in US!
list of other cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas

What we need is to find a way to spread out... ;)


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Message 1821714 - Posted: 4 Oct 2016, 13:52:03 UTC
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At long long last and all inexorably slowly:


Paris climate deal: EU backs landmark agreement

The European Parliament has backed the ratification of the Paris climate deal, paving the way for the world's first global agreement.

The deal aims to limit greenhouse gas emissions and keep global temperature increases "well below" 2 [deg] C...

... The vote, attended by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, paves the way for the pact to come into force globally...

... Backed by nearly 200 nations nearly one year ago, the agreement aims to shift the world economy away from fossil fuels in an effort to limit floods, droughts and rising sea levels...




All a good move in the right direction. But soon enough and far enough?

Or are we still on the good ship Titanic just as the rudder is just beginning to be turned...


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Message 1821720 - Posted: 4 Oct 2016, 14:05:55 UTC - in response to Message 1821715.  

The new paper, slated to be published next week in BioScience, confirms a significant volume of greenhouse gas emissions coming from a little-considered place: Man-made reservoirs


How come, if it little known, I already knew that flooded area's, with vegetation of all types, produce methane.
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Message 1821729 - Posted: 4 Oct 2016, 14:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1821725.  
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Lot's of methane from rotting garbage in Landfills and the intestinal tracks of most animals including humans.

Though ostensibly worse than CO-2 as a putative "Greenhouse Gas" methane is probably not the cause of any warming that is occurring. If there is warming, it is due to naturally recurring cycles in the weather pattern, solar output, orbital precession and axis tilt. Temperature cycles, if they exist, will swing back the other way, and we will return to 15 foot snow drifts in Illinois as we had in the early 80's.

I view the hoopla over "Warming" just as stupid (ignorant ?) as the panic over the Year 2000 (Y2K) non crisis which, as now, only enriched financially those vowing to tilt vigorously at these windmills.
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