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Message 1745256 - Posted: 27 Nov 2015, 15:33:42 UTC - in response to Message 1745229.  

Guys, lets stop about agriculture, 'cause we all have to eat!

Let's instead of talk about "addictions"...making one addiction less in a World, would make a big impact of 22 billion net t of CO2!!!
So, give people enough food...but ban cigarettes all together!
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/does-smoking-contribute-global-warming
http://tobaccosmoke.exposurescience.org/abcs-of-shs/the-cigarette-is-a-major-source-of-pollution
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You mean start talking of way of life and how thats effect the climate?
For a starter a rich person has a bigger CO2 footprint than a poor person.
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Message 1745262 - Posted: 27 Nov 2015, 16:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 1745259.  

Guys, lets stop about agriculture, 'cause we all have to eat!
Let's instead of talk about "addictions"...making one addiction less in a World, would make a big impact of 22 billion net t of CO2!!!
So, give people enough food...but ban cigarettes all together!
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/does-smoking-contribute-global-warming
http://tobaccosmoke.exposurescience.org/abcs-of-shs/the-cigarette-is-a-major-source-of-pollution
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You mean start talking of way of life and how thats effect the climate?
For a starter a rich person has a bigger CO2 footprint than a poor person.

Janne...
How 'Poor', will each Human have to become, to Save Us?
Somalia?

I think in the worst case the western world only need go back a few decades when consumption of products that emit CO2 where much lower.
But Big Biz doesn't like that. They need revenue.
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Message 1745272 - Posted: 27 Nov 2015, 18:19:58 UTC - in response to Message 1745262.  

Guys, lets stop about agriculture, 'cause we all have to eat!
Let's instead of talk about "addictions"...making one addiction less in a World, would make a big impact of 22 billion net t of CO2!!!
So, give people enough food...but ban cigarettes all together!
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/does-smoking-contribute-global-warming
http://tobaccosmoke.exposurescience.org/abcs-of-shs/the-cigarette-is-a-major-source-of-pollution
;)

You mean start talking of way of life and how thats effect the climate?
For a starter a rich person has a bigger CO2 footprint than a poor person.

Janne...
How 'Poor', will each Human have to become, to Save Us?
Somalia?

I think in the worst case the western world only need go back a few decades when consumption of products that emit CO2 where much lower.
But Big Biz doesn't like that. They need revenue.

My aren't you the optimist. As the largest release of man made AGW occurred before the industrial revolution, to keep our current population, we likely need to go back before we were able to control fire. If we accept a population 1/2 that of today, we might be able to advance to just before the plow was invented. To keep current western standards we will need to reduce to the number of the Georgia Guidestones.
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Message 1745285 - Posted: 27 Nov 2015, 19:50:50 UTC - in response to Message 1745272.  
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My aren't you the optimist. As the largest release of man made AGW occurred before the industrial revolution, to keep our current population, we likely need to go back before we were able to control fire. If we accept a population 1/2 that of today, we might be able to advance to just before the plow was invented. To keep current western standards we will need to reduce to the number of the Georgia Guidestones.

Yes I'm an optimist in that sense knowing how many solutions to the problem there already are.
But it costs money and will to use the solutions.
For instance.
Population growth can easily be stopped by ending poverty.
It's "only" Africa and Asia that has that problem now.
The agriculture problem could be solved by better management.
Mostly the western world are part of the problem.

There is a long list of other things that could be done but most of us doesn't like that we should "go back in time".
So my realistic side say's that any big change will happen is not likely.
But "going back in time" is probably not needed if we all work together.
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Message 1745396 - Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 14:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 1745351.  
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My aren't you the optimist. As the largest release of man made AGW occurred before the industrial revolution, to keep our current population, we likely need to go back before we were able to control fire. If we accept a population 1/2 that of today, we might be able to advance to just before the plow was invented. To keep current western standards we will need to reduce to the number of the Georgia Guidestones.

Yes I'm an optimist in that sense knowing how many solutions to the problem there already are.
But it costs money and will to use the solutions.
For instance.
Population growth can easily be stopped by ending poverty.
It's "only" Africa and Asia that has that problem now.
The agriculture problem could be solved by better management.
Mostly the western world are part of the problem.
There is a long list of other things that could be done but most of us doesn't like that we should "go back in time".
So my realistic side say's that any big change will happen is not likely.
But "going back in time" is probably not needed if we all work together.

Even if we accept (for the sake of discussion) your hypothesis regarding a solution:
No... We are never going to 'Work Together'.
Now what?

My Hypothesis? No that's facts.
Myth Buster Hans Rosling: Don't use news media to understand the world (english subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYnpJGaMiXo

'Work Together' is sometimes called global economy and free market.
Supply and demand will (I hope) eventually correct our mistakes when we have a true global economy.
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Message 1745401 - Posted: 28 Nov 2015, 15:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 1745397.  
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'Work Together' is sometimes called global economy and free market.
Supply and demand will (I hope) eventually correct our mistakes when we have a true global economy.

Free Markets means Capitalism.
Capitalism = Gaining Wealth, and Power to Enforce their Wealth, and F... 'The People'.

You say.
"Free Markets = Gaining Wealth, and Power to Enforce their Wealth, and F... 'The People'"?
What? That's not a free market.
Remember that 'The People' are customers.
Capitalism is however different and are often used to change the rules of a free market to gain profit.
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Message 1745765 - Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 6:40:27 UTC - in response to Message 1745250.  

Guys, lets stop about agriculture, 'cause we all have to eat!

Let's instead of talk about "addictions"...making one addiction less in a World, would make a big impact of 22 billion net t of CO2!!!
So, give people enough food...but ban cigarettes all together!
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-06/does-smoking-contribute-global-warming
http://tobaccosmoke.exposurescience.org/abcs-of-shs/the-cigarette-is-a-major-source-of-pollution
;)

Again...

Unwilling to accept an 'Inconvenient Fact'.

Climate Destroying Agriculture must be included in any Scientific Discussion.

We do understand those unwilling to accept a possible collapse of the Human Population, and Human Era.

again, yes it has to...but in a "long runs"!

it's better to have a priorities straight...all addictions should be dealt with firstly!

also, those tobacco plants can be substitute in a far better produce than addictive plants!
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Message 1745811 - Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 11:12:05 UTC - in response to Message 1745765.  

those tobacco plants can be substitute in a far better produce than addictive plants!


Does that mean Hemp too ????

Crap no Pot to smoke oh no ! now we are in big trouble . All them Dole bludgers will have to find a real job they can't grow and sell there crop .

Guess all the gold traders are going to lose a lot of cash nobody to buy the Big Chunky gold chains they wear around there necks :-)
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Message 1746004 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 4:42:33 UTC - in response to Message 1746000.  

Me thinks, KLiK needs a couple of 'Hits'.

:) :) :)


Well he will have to get his own YOUR not getting any of mine :-)
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Message 1746029 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 6:36:09 UTC - in response to Message 1745811.  

those tobacco plants can be substitute in a far better produce than addictive plants!


Does that mean Hemp too ????

Crap no Pot to smoke oh no ! now we are in big trouble . All them Dole bludgers will have to find a real job they can't grow and sell there crop .

Guess all the gold traders are going to lose a lot of cash nobody to buy the Big Chunky gold chains they wear around there necks :-)

only industrial...for some cloths!
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Message 1746080 - Posted: 1 Dec 2015, 10:37:15 UTC

If any of you that doubted me in post postid=1744027, then how about this news story, The Guardian - Osborne reliant on rising immigration levels to achieve budget surplus
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Message 1747693 - Posted: 8 Dec 2015, 14:44:14 UTC

And here are the result of The Climate Change Performance Index CCPI 2015.
https://germanwatch.org/en/download/10407.pdf
None of the countries achieved positions one to three.
No country is doing enough to prevent dangerous climate change.
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Message 1749535 - Posted: 16 Dec 2015, 0:00:15 UTC

Energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas emissions for current food consumption patterns and dietary recommendations in the US


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This article measures the changes in energy use, blue water footprint, and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions associated with shifting from current US food consumption patterns to three dietary scenarios, which are based, in part, on the 2010 USDA Dietary Guidelines (US Department of Agriculture and US Department of Health and Human Services in Dietary Guidelines for Americans, 2010, 7th edn, US Government Printing Office, Washington, 2010).

Amidst the current overweight and obesity epidemic in the USA, the Dietary Guidelines provide food and beverage recommendations that are intended to help individuals achieve and maintain healthy weight.

The three dietary scenarios we examine include (1) reducing Caloric intake levels to achieve “normal” weight without shifting food mix, (2) switching current food mix to USDA recommended food patterns, without reducing Caloric intake, and (3) reducing Caloric intake levels and shifting current food mix to USDA recommended food patterns, which support healthy weight. This study finds that shifting from the current US diet to dietary Scenario 1 decreases energy use, blue water footprint, and GHG emissions by around 9 %, while shifting to dietary Scenario 2 increases energy use by 43 %, blue water footprint by 16 %, and GHG emissions by 11 %. Shifting to dietary Scenario 3, which accounts for both reduced Caloric intake and a shift to the USDA recommended food mix, increases energy use by 38 %, blue water footprint by 10 %, and GHG emissions by 6 %.

These perhaps counterintuitive results are primarily due to USDA recommendations for greater Caloric intake of fruits, vegetables, dairy, and fish/seafood, which have relatively high resource use and emissions per Calorie.
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Message 1750267 - Posted: 19 Dec 2015, 0:21:57 UTC

Well now the Cop is over we can all relax . The world has signed the COP agreement .

Global warming has been averted . We will not be regressing back to the trees as apes in 70 years from high levels of Co2 .


Now when you all wake up you may realize you have all been conned .

And to think it was my own Country behind what has happened lead by that great party called the "Liberal Natianl Party" and to think the master mind is no longer even our Prime Minister .

You know that wonderful man who is a "Rhodes scholar " and genious

"Tony Abbott"

What do I mean well that's for another thread bye bye
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Message 1750271 - Posted: 19 Dec 2015, 0:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 1750267.  

Well now the Cop is over we can all relax . The world has signed the COP agreement .

Global warming has been averted . We will not be regressing back to the trees as apes in 70 years from high levels of Co2 .


Now when you all wake up you may realize you have all been conned .

And to think it was my own Country behind what has happened lead by that great party called the "Liberal Natianl Party" and to think the master mind is no longer even our Prime Minister .

You know that wonderful man who is a "Rhodes scholar " and genious

"Tony Abbott"

What do I mean well that's for another thread bye bye

[off topic] http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/dec/18/oxford-university-students-cecli-rhodes [/off topic]
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Message 1750969 - Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 1:24:42 UTC
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A little bit of a breeze this past week and also possibly some increased supply capacity and...

We've had wind generated power pretty steady at 5GW to 6GW for the last few days here in the UK. At the moment at night we have 5GW of wind generating 18% of the UK power supply. That is greater than coal and about the same as gas.


And meanwhile, renewables have been too successful and so their subsidies have been slashed whilst the tax subsidies to the polluting fossils has been increased!


There are better ways than to pollute our planet!

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Message 1753458 - Posted: 3 Jan 2016, 4:32:50 UTC

'Greenhouse' effects: Solutions

Sign the Cop agreement

Only one thing you all have not figured out .

How can a country say they have reduced there Co2 output but in actual reality they have not mmmmmm

Buy carbon credits .......!!!!! And to think it has been my own country leading the way under the expert genius Liberal Party that was run by Tony Abbott but now it's Malcolm Turnbull same crap different face

And to think a carbon tax does nothing but a carbon trading system does .

Yeh right if you say so .

Oh by the way the temp up at the North pole this week will be 50 degrees above normal in the middle of winter funny that , is it not .

Oh and while I remember the Co2 went up more than 3 ppm this last year

63.3 years and counting till it's all over at 3 ppm per year
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Message 1763032 - Posted: 7 Feb 2016, 2:05:25 UTC

Plant a tree, warm the globe ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/trees-climate-change-worse-not-better-article-1.2522614
Everything you know about climate change is wrong.

Trees — long assumed to help limit the ugly effects of climate change — may actually speed up global warming rates, according to a new study.

A team of French-led scientists claim Europe has been planting the wrong kind of trees during its reforestation efforts since 1750, and in the process has made climate change worse — not better. The theory is at odds with a widespread view that planting more trees helps human efforts to slow rising temperatures.

While Europe's forest area has grown by 10% in the past 250 years, its average temperatures have increased by 0.2 degrees Fahrenheit.

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Message 1763666 - Posted: 9 Feb 2016, 13:37:43 UTC

Washington Post article about NASA's study of the oceans and ice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/08/what-the-earth-will-be-like-in-10000-years-according-to-scientists/?wpisrc=nl_rainbow

Good video on Greenland's ice cap over the last 10 years, about half way down the page.
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Message 1763723 - Posted: 9 Feb 2016, 23:53:32 UTC

The hazards of 'settled science'...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/australia-cuts-110-climate-scientist-jobs/

Australia Cuts 110 Climate Scientist Jobs

Because the science is settled there is no need for more basic research, the government says

By Gayathri Vaidyanathan, ClimateWire on February 8, 2016

With an ax rather than a scalpel, Australia’s federal science agency last week chopped off its climate research arm in a decision that has stunned scientists and left employees dispirited.

As many as 110 out of 140 positions at the atmosphere and oceans division at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) will be cut, Larry Marshall, the agency’s chief executive, told staff Friday. Another 120 positions will be cut from the land and water program. Across the agency, 350 climate staff will be moved into new roles unrelated to their specialty.

Scientists say the cuts would affect Australia’s ability to cope with climate change. The nation is already the driest on Earth and experiencing significant shifts in rainfall. It would leave the global research community disabled, since CSIRO ran the Southern Hemisphere’s most comprehensive Earth monitoring and modeling programs. And it would leave young climate scientists at CSIRO without direction.

“I’m saddened for climate science itself, for services to Australia, and particularly for the younger scientists who are just starting to make their mark in this important area,” said John Church, an oceanographer at CSIRO and a world-renowned expert on sea-level rise.

Another CSIRO scientist termed the situation “depressing.” Most CSIRO scientists requested anonymity, since employees cannot discuss government policies under the terms of their contracts.

“The situation is very bad here,” the scientist said. “Eighty percent of our climate capability will be gone; it is clear that climate modeling will be cut completely.”

CSRIO is a federally funded research agency akin to NASA in the United States. Its climate change program is the largest in the nation and the most advanced in the Southern Hemisphere, a part of the world that is 80 percent ocean and is home to 12 percent of the world’s population. The bottom half of the planet has historically been understudied, a problem because gaps in monitoring the Southern Hemisphere mean gaps in understanding the global climate. CSIRO began filling in some gaps in the 1970s.

“This is not about just Australia,” another CSIRO scientist said. “Australia plays a very important role in measurements in the Southern Hemisphere.”
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And so it begins...
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