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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Australia, out in front of the world again. That's what you get with a 10 pound Pom running the country who thinks that everyone should be christians and marriage is only for female/male couples. That should be rectified in the next year (if he can last that long). ;-) he also likes deporting people so once he's finished up here we can deport him back to London where he came from :-D Cheers. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Australia, out in front of the world again. And your country gave us Murdoch, that is in very poor taste. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Australia, out in front of the world again. heheheehe we are not stupid we drove in out and it's not our fault you lot where to silly to take him in . And as for One Term Tony he thinks he's so smart with his same sex marrige views and what he's doing with G.W . Pity a Rhodes Schooler , so called genius is to stupid to see he's gonksi Thank gowd the night mare of Tony Abbott is all most over |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
Australia, out in front of the world again. it's not like u have a lack of space in Australia?! LoL :D non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/18/obama-methane-rule-underestimates-problem.html Methane, the main component in natural gas, is 25 times more potent than carbon dioxide when it comes to trapping heat. Thirty percent of U.S. methane pollution comes from the oil and gas industry, according to the EPA. Note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global-warming_potential#Values indicates it is 86 times and uses a 2013 value, not a 2007 value. Meanwhile, not counted in the EPA estimates are gathering facilities, a little-monitored but essential part of the gas distribution chain, which collect the production of many wells and deliver it to homes and power plants. According to a report released today by the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), a nonprofit advocacy group, gathering facilities lose about 100 billion cubic feet of natural gas every year — an amount approximately eight times the EPA’s estimates. Now do I detect that at 86 times CO2 and it is 1/4 of the total U.S. inventory, that CH4 is the real problem? When proposing a solution to a problem it is vitally important to know what the problem is to solve it! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Now do I detect that at 86 times CO2 and it is 1/4 of the total U.S. inventory, that CH4 is the real problem? Gary methane is bad. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Now do I detect that at 86 times CO2 and it is 1/4 of the total U.S. inventory, that CH4 is the real problem? That's what I said. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Now do I detect that at 86 times CO2 and it is 1/4 of the total U.S. inventory, that CH4 is the real problem? You could stop eating all those McDonalds Hambergers then you mite not need so many cows . Stop drilling in the Arctic and Antarctic Meathane has a accumulation effect of 12 years before it gets broken down . Unlike Co2 Yes it has a effect that can be up to 20 times that of Co2 so there only needs to be 1 , 20 th the amount to do the same thing as Co2 . It's just we are pumping Co2 out in a Industrial way , AKA: Terra forming our Atmosphere |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
It's just we are pumping Co2 out in a Industrial way Time for a few inconvenient facts. Nitrous oxides are over 300 times worse as a so-called "Greenhouse gas". CO-2 concentration in the atmosphere is .04 percent. 70 times more CO-2 is produced by other than Mankind's contribution. Perhaps we should find other things to obsess over--it might be more productive to worry about pollution and especially ground-water contamination. Much of this comes from dumping our garbage into the ocean and from burying (however well-intentioned) scrubber sludge from power plants in landfills and holding ponds. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Time for a few inconvenient fact Co2 kills in small amounts 4 % in our atmosphere and we would all be dead. using your figures 0.6% will be enough for it to start effecting humans . Adults as well as children . More so children and it will effect newborns but hey worry but the other things just don't forget the time frame 65 years at current rates till it's to late |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Glenn, Sorry I mis-spoke. I meant to say that non human emanations of CO-2 are 30 times that of Human-related sources. So I guess that we are all doomed since we are not likely to do anything about these non-human sources or for that matter we can do very little about human sources as well. You are not going to stop breathing, procreating, driving a car, heating your house or turning on the lights. Warmers say that: man's contribution to the greenhouse is different from nature's, and that only man's exhaustings count If CO-2 were really the biggest threat to planet survival then we should get to work figuring how to increase the absorption rate and to stem the loss of forested lands. If greenhouse gases are causing warming then I doubt that CO-2 would be a big player in this phenomenon. We need to put these questions to rest before misguided efforts destroy our industrialized economies. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Meathane has a accumulation effect of 12 years before it gets broken down . Unlike Co2 12 years was the accepted number in 2001. That is no longer the accepted number. Hint: It is longer now. Why 25 times became 86 times! Also you might ask yourself what CH4 breaks down into. Hint there is a C in it. |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
Glenn, & then we get to d "faith issues" to persuade India 2 kill some of their "secret symbol" - cow! :/ good luck with that! non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
12 years was the accepted number in 2001. That is no longer the accepted number. Hint: It is longer now. Why 25 times became 86 times! Also you might ask yourself what CH4 breaks down into. Hint there is a C in it. Yes exactly , however the C is not 20 times as bad . We can't do much about Hydrates or methane escaping from the ground . We can stop polluting the planet with extra Co2 from burning Billions of tons of Coal . We can be smart and reforest the plant eg : 70 % of the forest in ozz has been cut down and 50% of the land produces nothing , no food at all. It's taken 200 years to cut it down but we can reforest in a hell of a lot quicker if the will was there . The maethane problem will not be a problem if we start to reduce quickly the Co2 we produce as you have pointed out it breaks down to Co2 . In other words we leave our self's wiggle room for this and things like volcano's going off You have to do the maths yourself how much ch4 will turn into Co2 add that to what we put out and this is what was prediected to happen a run away Green House Effect , more heat more CH4 released from Hydrates in the ocean as the ocean warms up and there is a lot of Hydrates at the bottom of oceans . As the permafrost melts Hydrates in it will be released . And then add deforestation and what is release from farming and then say we don't have a problem with Co2 ..........ok if you say so |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
A rather unexpected world leader: Electric vehicles boost climate 'nirvana' in the Himalayas Happiness? What's that? ... ... The index is built on the idea that wellbeing, and the physical, spiritual and environmental health of the nation is a better measure of wealth than bog-standard GDP. To many, including the UN, the idea seems a more sophisticated, grown up, and dare I use the word, holistic, approach. Bhutan is taking a similarly advanced approach to dealing with climate change. ... ... The law mandates that 60% of the territory must be covered in forest. Right now over 70% is under trees, the Prime Minister tells me. So great are the forests, according to that Tshering Tobgay, that the country absorbs far more carbon than its 750,000 population can produce. Even on a business-as-usual approach the country will still be carbon negative in 2040. As well as inhaling all that CO2, the Bhutanese are pushing out large amounts of electricity to India, generated by hydropower from their fast flowing rivers. The Prime Minister says that their waters hold the potential to offset 100 million tonnes of Indian emissions every year... ... But the rush to improve the country's economy is unlikely to disrupt the silent practices of meditative monks - Bhutan is abuzz with electric cars, a form of transport that the government is keen to encourage. "In Bhutan the distances are short, electricity is very cheap and because of the mountains you can't drive exceedingly fast, so all these combined to provide us with the opportunity for the investment,"... ... the modest Bhutanese PM rejects the idea that his country is the leader of the climate pack. "I feel that calling Bhutan a role model is not appropriate, every country has their own sets of challenges and their own sets opportunities - Paris has to be about individual countries balancing their opportunities and constraints." With the latest round of UN negotiations underway this week, let's hope this self-effacing, zen-like approach prevails as the serious political horse trading begins - but I won't be holding my breath. World leading in all ways indeed! Our world could be a far better place for all life if we displaced some of the present world politics and trade with instead a better appreciation and sympathy for Buddhism... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Our world could be a far better place for all life if we displaced some of the present world politics and trade with instead a better appreciation and sympathy for Buddhism... Buddhists are too peaceful minded to ever become world leaders. A lot of people would take advantage of their goodness. Politicians have a tough ride, people are breathing in their neck and watch every move they make to criticize them whenever possible. One has to have an Ego to be a politician, otherwise you won't make it. That's the sad situation we are in these days. rOZZ Music Pictures |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Fresh water is becoming a scarce resourse in some parts of world due to the climate change. https://my.charitywater.org/felix-kjellberg/pewdiepie https://my.charitywater.org/donate |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The green game ... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html it is all a matter of greed and deception. |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
The green game ... $18b...that is the end of an Empire! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
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