NO jann

Cows are not spose to eat CORN but that is what is feed to them .

If you only eat corn for 1 week and nothing else you will end up in hospital from low b12

I forget what the diesease is but it's not good for humans and Cows .

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NO jann
Cows are not spose to eat CORN but that is what is feed to them .
If you only eat corn for 1 week and nothing else you will end up in hospital from low b12
I forget what the diesease is but it's not good for humans and Cows .

We don't feed our cows with corn here in Scandinavia.
Most of the nourishment is grass in the summer and hey in the Winter.
But to get cows to get milking better you give them supplements.
I dont remember what is was...

However calf liver has a lot of B12 when they eat properly but some times the grassing area is bad.

It's why i will never eat meat from the U.S they do feed there cows corn better to have the animals eat from a paddock with lots of grass .
Even suppliments aren't safe ...MAD COWS diesase in England was from some sort of suppliment i think

Australian beef is the best , cleanest and safest not fatt'end up in a feed stock pen like so many other country's el natural is best . No mad cows , foot or mouth , or any other bad diseases with Australian beef

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Australian beef is the best , cleanest and safest not fatt'end up in a feed stock pen like so many other country's el natural is best . No mad cows , foot or mouth , or any other bad diseases with Australian beef

That's what all countries says:)
In Sweden they say it's the best. No diseases.
In Denmark they say it's the best. No diseases.
In Belgium they say it's the best. No diseases. But they like Belgian Blue...
In Ireland they say it's the best. No diseases.
In Uruguay they say it's the best. No diseases. But loaded with penicillum.
Australia have Wagyu beef:)

Wagyu steers graze in a paddock in Alexandra, Australia.
Steers fit well in organic production.

Does this have an impact on the greenhouse effect?
Yes, but we all need to eat meat.

Jann there is not only that type of beef here

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/148080/Cattle-breed-types.pdf

The grain feed are mostly export

http://www.mla.com.au/Cattle-sheep-and-goat-industries/Industry-overview/Cattle

some other interesting facts

and yes the Methane from cows is a lot but it does breakdown after aprox 10 yrs unlike Co2 .

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It's why i will never eat meat from the U.S they do feed there cows corn better to have the animals eat from a paddock with lots of grass .
Even suppliments aren't safe ...MAD COWS diesase in England was from some sort of suppliment i think

If sheep's brains count as a supplement.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Most meat grain feed is export we keep the good beef for our self's Simon you guys get the rubbish . Also we just don't have the disease the others do we are a Island .

Grain feed beef tastes funny and is marked here on the packs ,cost's more too .

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Most meat grain feed is export we keep the good beef for our self's Simon you guys get the rubbish . Also we just don't have the disease the others do we are a Island .

Grain feed beef tastes funny and is marked here on the packs ,cost's more too .

G'day Glenn.
Rubbish? Dont tell EU commissionairies that:)
We already import a LOT of lamb from down under.
Now it appears that a new country is in the meat counter: Australia. Coop Forum is launching a range called Premium Beef, which consists of well-marbled meat from young steers of meat breeds Angus, Hereford and Shorthorn. Entrecote, sirloin, tenderloin, topside and roast beef are already in stores around the country.

Australia and the EU is one of the inheritance enemies in international trade policy and therefore the EU has to have quotas on imports of meat from Australia. But Coop Denmark has nonetheless focused on imports from the country Down Under (perhaps the crown prince's wife gave a little help?) And now will therefore meat come to Sweden.

But the environment then? Doing the good that we pick meat from Australia? According to Coop the environmental impact of these imports are quite small. It depends largely on that Australian animals always go out and graze grass instead of eating fodder that Swedish animals do much of the year. After slaughter, cutting and packing the meat are shipped by boat to Gothenburg, then it goes directly to the terminals in Malmö and Västerås.

Win-win situation again:)
And Brazil doesn't have to deforestate so much to make room for the cettles.

... Does this have an impact on the greenhouse effect?
Yes, but we all need to eat meat.

Do we really 'need' to eat meat?...

As for most things, keeping a healthy balance helps greatly. And for a good balance, there is no great 'need' for meat at all...

Note just the environmental costs of farming meat:


Environmental impact of meat production

... The livestock sector is a major stressor on many ecosystems and on the planet as a whole. Globally it is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gasses and one of the leading causal factors in the loss of biodiversity, while in developed and emerging countries it is perhaps the leading source of water pollution...


Beef environment cost 10 times that of other livestock

... Beef cattle need 28 times more land and 11 times more irrigation water than pork, poultry, eggs or dairy...

... As well as the effects on land and water, cattle release five times more greenhouse gas and consume six times more nitrogen than eggs or poultry...


Giving up beef will reduce carbon footprint more than cars...

Beef’s environmental impact dwarfs that of other meat including chicken and pork, ... eating less red meat would be a better way for people to cut carbon emissions than giving up their cars.

The heavy impact on the environment of meat production was known but the research shows a new scale and scope of damage, particularly for beef ... compared to staples like potatoes, wheat, and rice, the impact of beef per calorie is even more extreme, requiring 160 times more land and producing 11 times more greenhouse gases.

Agriculture is a significant driver of global warming and causes 15% of all emissions, half of which are from livestock...


Tallying the environmental cost of meat

... Poor dietary habits, large portions and widespread acceptance of obesity contribute to the problem, as do sedentary lifestyles. And Americans drive almost everywhere.

The combination of fast foods, such as burgers, and car dependence leads to obesity, and other spinoff social and environmental costs.

Americans need cars to get around, and larger people need larger cars...

... “The human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future — deforestation, erosion, fresh-water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease,”...




And that's before you even begin to consider the unnecessary cruelty and unhealthy practices of "intensive farming" for squeezing out more profit. That is one for another thread...


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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... Does this have an impact on the greenhouse effect?
Yes, but we all need to eat meat.

Do we really 'need' to eat meat?...

Well i can't speak for everyone, at least not until 'the device' is completed, but i do.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

... Does this have an impact on the greenhouse effect?
Yes, but we all need to eat meat.

Do we really 'need' to eat meat?...

Well i can't speak for everyone, at least not until 'the device' is completed, but i do.

I have Heard the we humans are scavengers...
We eat EVERYTHING. Well almost.

Our brain needs very much fat. Thats why we eat meet together with vegs.
If you compare a lamb and a human we need to eat about a 1000 times more energy.
Meat is a very easy way to eat "grass" in an efficent way.

and yes the Methane from cows is a lot but it does breakdown after aprox 10 yrs unlike Co2 .

And guess what the Methane breaks down into?


Yep, CO2 (well, almost all of it...).

Its a bit of a complicated chemical process at times, but the great majority of methane emitted undergoes (in the soils, the troposphere, and the stratosphere) the following NET chemical reaction:

CH4 + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2H2O


The remaining tiny percentage of methane undergoes free-radical halogenation:

CH4 + Cl2 → CH3Cl + HCl

... Meat is a very easy way to eat "grass" in an efficent way.

"Easy"? Sort of...

"Efficient"? Very definitely not.


Agreed that if we are to 'eat grass', then we must use other creatures/organisms to convert the grass into something that we can eat.

However, note that we have a world of other foods that we can eat directly without the waste incurred with farming animals.

There are an ever increasing proportion of our population who are vegetarian or even vegan or at least pescatarian...


Reducing the polluting intensity of farming can only be a good thing. We can gain a x2 improvement in productivity in some areas by just doing away with beef...


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The remaining tiny percentage of methane undergoes free-radical halogenation:
CH4 + Cl2 → CH3Cl + HCl

Hmm HCl is Acid...
You forgot that H2CO3 Dihydrogen Carbonate are also acid.
The oceans are getting more sour for every day.
Meaning that organisms that have an exesceleton will deminish in a more fast rate.
Oyster larves that dont survive.
Oyster farms in NE USA are already affected to it.
Then we have Micro alges that have a "Shell".
H2CO3 and HCl "eats" calcium hydroxide (lime stone).

... Meat is a very easy way to eat "grass" in an efficent way.

"Easy"? Sort of...
"Efficient"? Very definitely not.
Agreed that if we are to 'eat grass', then we must use other creatures/organisms to convert the grass into something that we can eat.
However, note that we have a world of other foods that we can eat directly without the waste incurred with farming animals.
There are an ever increasing proportion of our population who are vegetarian or even vegan or at least pescatarian...
Reducing the polluting intensity of farming can only be a good thing. We can gain a x2 improvement in productivity in some areas by just doing away with beef...

Of course. But doesn't that mean that we have to go back 100 years in food production and logistics?
For instance How long have you to drive your car to get your Daily meal?
I don't know but getting food are now getting ridiculos.
Is that a solution to reduce CO2 levels?
I can still WALK to get our food...
Food production and logistics are the big problems now!
Not farmers productivity or our cravings for meat:)

Oyster farms in NE USA are already affected to it.

It has been visiting the left coast for several years also.

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Yep, CO2 (well, almost all of it...).

Its a bit of a complicated chemical process at times, but the great majority of methane emitted undergoes (in the soils, the troposphere, and the stratosphere) the following NET chemical reaction:

CH4 + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2H2O


The remaining tiny percentage of methane undergoes free-radical halogenation:

CH4 + Cl2 → CH3Cl + HCl

Thank's Kong yep it breaks down to Co2 that bad word we should not talk about it's the temps people that way we can B/S and nothing will get done .

Jann yep we don't need to clear the land for cattle there an't much bush left after the last 200 years of chopping them down so Brazill don't need to clear the Lungs of the Earth we can provide the world with the food it needs ....or so we are told down under by the pollies .

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Some positive examples that are rather apt for the (UK) sunny weather we have at present:


Vatican official calls for moral awakening on global warming

Increasing use of fossil fuels is disrupting Earth on an “almost unfathomable scale”, a top Vatican official has said, warning that a “full conversion” of hearts and minds is needed if global warming is to be conquered.

The statement by Cardinal Peter Turkson, Pope Francis’s point man for peace and justice issues, was made at a Vatican summit on Tuesday, which focused on climate change and poverty. His call for a moral awakening of politicians and people of faith is a likely precursor to the highly anticipated encyclical on the environment, which was drafted by Turkson and which Pope Francis is expected to release in June.

“In our recklessness, we are traversing some of the planet’s most fundamental natural boundaries,” warned Turkson. “And the lesson from the Garden of Eden still rings true today: pride, hubris, self-centredness are always perilous, indeed destructive. The very technology that has brought great reward is now poised to bring great ruin.”

Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary-general who delivered the keynote address at the summit, said he believed the pope’s encyclical – coupled with the pontiff’s planned speeches before the UN general assembly and a joint session of the US Congress – would have a profound impact on climate change negotiations...


Prince Charles on brink of ending all fossil fuel investments

Prince of Wales’ move comes as seven UK-based charitable foundations announce their fossil fuel divestment on financial and ethical grounds

The Prince of Wales is on the brink of eradicating all fossil fuel investments from his financial holdings...

... “Fossil fuel companies have not taken the opportunity to wind down or change their business models,” ... “They are now significantly overvalued. The half a trillion dollars spent annually seeking new reserves will be wasted. The smart investors have already divested from coal.” The World Bank and Bank of England have warned previously of the serious risk action on climate change poses to fossil fuel assets...


UK installed more solar power than any other European country in 2014

... Estimates show the UK installed 2.5GW last year and has already installed 2GW this year, as solar farm developers rushed to complete projects ahead of subsidy cuts for large solar farms...

... The news comes as the Japan Renewable Energy Foundation (JREF) reportedly announced solar energy had reached cost competitiveness in the country, freeing it from the need for government subsidies. The group said Japan is now one of the world’s four largest markets for solar panels...


Times change, and hopefully for the better and for a cleaner future.


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Martin

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Solar Powered Day and Night

The average home uses more electricity in the morning and evening than during the day when solar energy is plentiful. Without a home battery, excess solar energy is often sold to the power company and purchased back in the evening. This mismatch adds demand on power plants and increases carbon emissions. Powerwall bridges this gap between renewable energy supply and demand by making your home’s solar energy available to you when you need it.

http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall
The price for it is very high but perhaps in the near future it will become cheaper.

50 years ago so called house wifes did a lot energy demanding works at day time.
Not any more!

The sun is almost completely blank.
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/30/845-am-the-sun-is-now-virtually-blank-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
Finally, if history is a guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom-most layer of Earth’s atmosphere - and where we all live.
Interesting.

But that only means we have perhaps 10 more years with some cooler climate.
After that the problem with CO2 emissions are even worse if we don't do anything now.
The Maunder Minimum is well known to us Scandinavians.
And René Descartes...