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Message 1660744 - Posted: 2 Apr 2015, 14:27:39 UTC - in response to Message 1660736.  

Well, I have seen things like solar ovens. Perhaps that technology could be put to use here. Of course, it wouldn't work at night or around dusk or dawn. But during the middle of the day? They would be great to help with this!

However there is a problem...
Half of the Earths population live in that region in Asia.
Perhaps 3 billion solar ovens...


Yes! Just think of all the productive jobs required to build them! Can you say 'green economy'?
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Message 1660759 - Posted: 2 Apr 2015, 14:52:15 UTC - in response to Message 1660734.  

Perhaps this effect also has to do with the rainfall pattern shifts of late in California and the rest of the Southwestern USA. Another thought. I know that the pattern of the Mexican monsoon rains has shifted on the northern end of it. Parts of West Texas that were desert when I was a child are now (or at least the last time I was there about 10 years ago) grassland.

During Roman Times: Much of The Sahara, was also Grassland. The Earth's Climate was in a Warming Period.

Natural, or Man-Made?


And before that, much was forest and wetlands. You can still see the pitiful remnants of this around the mountains in the Sahara. (especially the southern slopes of the Atlas, iirc).

Natural or Man-made?

Based on my understanding, it was a combination of both. Heavily natural climatic change but with some anthropogenic elements that turned the region from forest, grasslands, and wetlands into the desert that we know there today.
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Message 1660772 - Posted: 2 Apr 2015, 15:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 1660759.  
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And before that, much was forest and wetlands. You can still see the pitiful remnants of this around the mountains in the Sahara. (especially the southern slopes of the Atlas, iirc).

The Atlas Mountains is perhaps not the best exampel.
I have been there 40 years ago and I found these more contempary pics.
On the top.

On the slopes.


As you can see there a lot of water on the top. Not so much on the slopes.
At the lower part there is only desert animals how can survive.

A more nice pic how it might look in the ancient time.
Actually it's how it looked some years ago.


However Spain now have problem with desertation...
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Message 1660831 - Posted: 2 Apr 2015, 19:37:56 UTC

Saving tips when after washing cloths in a dryer.
Fluff by Bylund.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdH_yVwXbg
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Message 1661268 - Posted: 4 Apr 2015, 1:29:28 UTC
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You like all those nice wind turbines generating 'clean & green' electricity?

Well, HERE is what you are doing to the planet.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

To be fair, it is not just the wind turbines, but also smartphones and other gadgets.

But... re: fossil fuel & alternative energy... this begs the question:

Clean at what price?

Perhaps we need another solution.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1661275 - Posted: 4 Apr 2015, 1:38:32 UTC - in response to Message 1661268.  
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Since there are so few reading links.

You may not have heard of Baotou, but the mines and factories here help to keep our modern lives ticking. It is one of the world’s biggest suppliers of “rare earth” minerals. These elements can be found in everything from magnets in wind turbines and electric car motors, to the electronic guts of smartphones and flatscreen TVs. In 2009 China produced 95% of the world's supply of these elements, and it's estimated that the Bayan Obo mines just north of Baotou contain 70% of the world's reserves. But, as we would discover, at what cost?

Thank You MajorKong.
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Message 1661282 - Posted: 4 Apr 2015, 1:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 1661275.  

Since there are so few reading links.

You may not have heard of Baotou, but the mines and factories here help to keep our modern lives ticking. It is one of the world’s biggest suppliers of “rare earth” minerals. These elements can be found in everything from magnets in wind turbines and electric car motors, to the electronic guts of smartphones and flatscreen TVs. In 2009 China produced 95% of the world's supply of these elements, and it's estimated that the Bayan Obo mines just north of Baotou contain 70% of the world's reserves. But, as we would discover, at what cost?

Thank You MajorKong.



Well, I had hoped that that link being from such a reputable source as the BBC more people might choose to read it. Its not like I posted a link from FoxNews or something.

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Message 1661741 - Posted: 5 Apr 2015, 14:54:36 UTC - in response to Message 1661282.  
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Well, I had hoped that that link being from such a reputable source as the BBC more people might choose to read it. Its not like I posted a link from FoxNews or something.

FoxNews
Did you know that they are "broadcasting" in Sweden as well?
I Think they started in the early 90's.

Bill O'Reilly:(
Grrrrrrr.

Read this:) https://www.google.se/#q=bill%20o%27reilly%20sweden

And This:)
Al Franken - Bill O'Reilly's Swedish Study .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8K4YPi-v0
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Message 1663020 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 12:48:09 UTC - in response to Message 1662123.  

Sirius that picture looks stupid until you understand why they do that .

We have a few roads that are just like that the road goes around 1 tree in the middle of nowhere .

Why ?? To stop accidents . When you drive on a road that is straight for 80 + klm'x it gets boring so the curve is to wake you up , and i'm not joking .

There are a few roads out west that are like that one . you could literaly tie the wheel to you chair and go to sleep for a few hours before there is even 1 bend .
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Message 1663023 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 12:56:08 UTC - in response to Message 1663020.  

Sirius that picture looks stupid until you understand why they do that .
We have a few roads that are just like that the road goes around 1 tree in the middle of nowhere .
Why ?? To stop accidents . When you drive on a road that is straight for 80 + klm'x it gets boring so the curve is to wake you up , and i'm not joking .
There are a few roads out west that are like that one . you could literaly tie the wheel to you chair and go to sleep for a few hours before there is even 1 bend .

Hmm... I see a problem here.
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Message 1663028 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 13:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 1663023.  

Hmm... I see a problem here.


Not a problem at all looks like a long Road Train but if you look the trucks only have 3 trailers each and probably know which roads do have the 1 tree wake up curve so stay away from those roads .
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Message 1663030 - Posted: 9 Apr 2015, 13:16:32 UTC - in response to Message 1663028.  
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Hmm... I see a problem here.

Not a problem at all looks like a long Road Train but if you look the trucks only have 3 trailers each and probably know which roads do have the 1 tree wake up curve so stay away from those roads .

I saw that too Glenn.
But even with "only" 3 trailers...
Well. We have these turns (chikans) in some of our cities to reduce people's speeds when driving near schools etc. Signs doesnt help.
We have bumps as well where many Thinks it's fun to jump...

The CO2 emissions when playing like that is not good.
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Message 1665371 - Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 14:39:13 UTC

Isabella Lövin: Today's young is the first generation that can end poverty & the last that can stop climate change.
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Message 1665595 - Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 11:39:47 UTC

The West’s environmental priorities are blocking [the poor's] access to energy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/business/an-environmentalist-call-to-look-past-sustainable-development.html?smid=tw-share
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Message 1665602 - Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 12:07:46 UTC - in response to Message 1665595.  

The West’s environmental priorities are blocking [the poor's] access to energy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/business/an-environmentalist-call-to-look-past-sustainable-development.html?smid=tw-share


Changing the conversation will not be easy. Our world of seven billion people — expected to reach 11 billion by the end of the century — will require an entirely different environmental paradigm.
Well, there's the cause of the problem right there.
Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Message 1665606 - Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 12:40:32 UTC

Explaining population growth requires simplification, but not oversimplification.
In this TED video, Hans Rosling explains why ending poverty – over the coming decades – is crucial to stop population growth. Only by raising the living standards of the poorest, in an environmentally-friendly way, will population growth stop at 9 billion people in 2050.
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/population-growth-explained-with-ikea-boxes/
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Message 1667599 - Posted: 20 Apr 2015, 14:34:38 UTC - in response to Message 1665615.  
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... The problem with 'Ending Poverty'.

Non-Poverty persons use more resources, than poverty persons. Therefore vastly more CO2, and pollution.

Imagine, ALL (sorry for shouting) persons, using the Earths Resources as, let's say, Western Europeans.

Obviously, if we are to remain 'comfortable' on our only one planet earth, then our planet and ourselves cannot afford that...

Which is where we ALL need to moderate all resources excesses.


From my experience, some cultures are amenable to that. Unfortunately, there are some cultures and corruption that cannot see past the next month and our planet and everyone's future be damned.

There are good solutions. The problem is more the present day games of politics and corruption.


We already have the technology. We desperately need culture, religion, and politics to shape a better reality for us all...

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Message 1667604 - Posted: 20 Apr 2015, 14:38:21 UTC
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Just one part of the positive side of the story:


Turning Ethiopia's desert green

A generation ago Ethiopia's Tigray province was stricken by a famine that shocked the world... This cracked and desiccated landscape, in Ethiopia's far north, occupies a dark corner of the global collective memory. Thirty years ago...

... Using picks, shovels, iron bars and their bare hands, they will turn these treacherous slopes into neat staircases of rock-walled terraces that will trap the annual rains, forcing the water to percolate into the soil rather than running off in devastating, ground-ripping flash floods...

... Either way, his tireless leadership has brought a miraculous transformation to this sun-blasted land. In just a decade, entire mountains have been terraced. Once you had to dig 50ft (15m) down to find water. Now it's just 10ft, and 94 acres (38 hectares) of former desert have been transformed into fertile fields...




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Message 1669819 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 15:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 1669774.  
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- Duke University study looked at 1,000 years of temperature records...

... Daily Mail trash newspaper sensationalist stupidity...

Clyde,

That is a repeat of your Message 1669772 - Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 14:02:37 UTC posting.

Follow-ups on that thread.


And note: Storing up even greater disruption for the future is no solution and is reprehensible. Guess no cares at all when dead?

Not caring is no solution. For everyone in our world, neither is blind ignorance or corrupt and reckless pollution.


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