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Message 1595845 - Posted: 2 Nov 2014, 5:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 1595645.  
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Isn't that figure a bit questionable, not that wind was the greater for that period, but that several nuclear stations are off at the moment.

That is certainly a confluence of circumstances but significant none-the-less for being a first as the wind power generation develops yet further as our nuclear power generation ages and declines...

For example, at the moment (06:00 GMT, 02/11/2014), the UK is supplied by primarily:

    1. CC-Gas 23%
    2. Coal 24%
    3. Wind 19% (4.3 Giga Watts)
    4. Nuclear 20%


Hydro is surprisingly small at merely 2%

Just for a comparison for when the UK is pretty much on minimum load.


Expect continued (heightened and adverse?...) 'lobbying' from the old profiteers as the shift in profits and fortune progresses...


Where there is a will, there are many ways positively forwards yet...

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Message 1595855 - Posted: 2 Nov 2014, 6:48:51 UTC

the old profiteers as the shift in profits and fortune progresses...


ML1 My Child, The 'Old Profiteers are Always The New Profiteers.
Dr.HOHUM 'is' 400 Years 'Into' The Industrial Revolution' and Has 'Seen' All. The Sky and Wind has Blown All HuWoMan Doings To Me. Fossil Fuels Rule fO Many mO Years Child.

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Message 1597432 - Posted: 5 Nov 2014, 23:31:22 UTC
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One non-tech solution that is becoming ever more significant:

... Apparently The Fossil Fuel Lobby...


What started as a trickle has grown into a stream, and by most accounts, is likely to turn into a flood. We are, of course, talking about fossil fuel divestments as an increasing number of investors and fund managers are pledging to cleanse their portfolios of dirty assets – whatever that means...



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Message 1598602 - Posted: 8 Nov 2014, 18:29:58 UTC

This looks like a good idea better balance exploiting the natural environment:


Wind farm shares to be sold to locals under new scheme

Locals could be offered the chance to buy shares in new wind farms, solar farms and hydro power stations, under new government approved guidelines...

... The scheme aims to reduce local opposition to renewable energy development. It has been developed by the renewable industry alongside community groups.

The Shared Ownership Taskforce plan follows similar programmes in Denmark which have been running for more than two decades.

It applies to anything entering the planning system from Monday...



That less financially greedy approach may well be a better balance for all to gain "buy-in" and help save our planet even if only by gaining a more widespread appreciation of what it takes to industrially live on our only one planet...


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Message 1599129 - Posted: 9 Nov 2014, 22:48:00 UTC
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The latest round of world politics rolls onwards as the Fossils Fuels industry continue to lobby and to burn us out:


UN: Fossil fuels should be TERMINATED 86 years from now

The latest UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report alarmingly warned today that it was vital for the world to phase out fossil fuels by 2100.

The committee claimed that cutting greenhouse gas emissions by between 40 per cent and 70 per cent by 2050, and to near or below zero emissions in 2100 "would likely keep warming <2°C."

Its chair Rajendra Pachauri warned during a press conference in Copenhagen, Denmark on Sunday morning, according to official tweets from the IPCC, that "climate change will leave no part of the world untouched."

He added that the "costs of inaction" were "much higher than the costs of action. Inaction would create increasing risks to economic growth."...



Strictly come warming: Swing time at the UN

... In the end, the published report was quite a chunky document - growing by a whopping 25% in just seven days of discussions.

"More words, less meaning," said one of those involved.

While the main elements of cause, impact and solution remain unchanged from the underlying reports published over the last year, some of the inclusions and exclusions reflect the rise of the political process. Countries are jockeying for position ahead of negotiations on a new global climate treaty in Paris next year. Some are better in the saddle than others.

A strange, old school alliance between Saudi Arabia and Bolivia delivered significant changes in some parts of the document. ... under pressure from the curious Latin American-Saudi coalition, the finished document speaks of 1.5, 2 and even 3 degrees in some detail.

Even more bizarre is a completely new paragraph that begins: "Mitigation policies could devalue fossil fuel assets and reduce revenues for fossil fuel exporters..."

Then there's the ubiquitous references to carbon, capture and storage (CCS) as being a critical technology if the world wants to keep using fossil fuels. The current pace of development of CCS in the world has been glacial...

... By having the references to losses expected for fossil fuel producers enshrined in the text, by putting huge emphasis on CCS, the Saudis and others will be able to say at crucial moments that the science backs their position.

And, in a very real sense, it is true.

What was going on behind the scenes in Copenhagen is a reflection of the key difficulty facing those who want to secure a new global climate treaty - what is the ultimate priority for nations?, cutting emissions of carbon or lifting people out of poverty by whatever means necessary?...




Even the denialist biased (controversy stirring, sponsored?) The Register appears to now give muted acceptance that we are unnaturally warming our only planet.

However, are the politics and industrial lobbying going to lumber on "by whatever means necessary" to damn our planet for all?...

We can go profitably low-carbon. For everyone's benefit, why not do that sooner rather than later?


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Message 1599398 - Posted: 10 Nov 2014, 12:01:55 UTC

I calculated yesterday that between 1st March and 31st October this year, my little solar plant saved me £62.67 in electricity.

If i didn't live in the midlands, i'd be looking for a small wind turbine to mount to the chimney as well.

Maybe i should move to a house by a stream, so i could drop in a water wheel...

The point is; in four generations time, if the will is there, we oughtn't need fossil fuels.
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Message 1599419 - Posted: 10 Nov 2014, 14:57:32 UTC

Ah, green isn't green ... or an energy company is an energy company be it fossil of "green"
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-me-solar-silurian-20141109-story.html#page=1
Will renewable energy ruin an 'irreplaceable' Mojave desert oasis?

In one of the hottest, driest places on Earth, velvety sand dunes surround dry lake beds that, with luck, fill with spring rains. Hidden waterways attract a profusion of wildlife and birds; submerged desert rivers periodically erupt in a riot of green.

The federal Bureau of Land Management describes the Silurian Valley as an "undisturbed, irreplaceable, historic scenic landscape."

Now, a Spanish energy firm is proposing a wind and solar project that would cover 24 square miles of the Mojave Desert oasis.

Iberdrola Renewables wants to build a 200-megawatt wind farm that would sprout as many as 133 turbines reaching heights of 480 feet. Next door would be a 200-megawatt solar facility with 400 pairs of photovoltaic panels. The industrial facility would operate around the clock and be visible from nearly every point of the valley.
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"They are proposing something that has such grave impacts, that benefits so few and harms so many and is opposed by so many," said David Lamfrom, the associate director of the California Desert program for the National Parks Conservation Assn., a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization.

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Message 1601114 - Posted: 14 Nov 2014, 17:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 1599419.  
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...The federal Bureau of Land Management describes the Silurian Valley as an "undisturbed, irreplaceable, historic scenic landscape."

Now, a Spanish energy firm is proposing a wind and solar project that would cover 24 square miles of the Mojave Desert oasis...

All indeed good and important to consider as for anything that is going to have an impact on our environment.


So in contrast...

How did the vast open cast destruction working through "oil sand deposits lie under 141,000 square kilometres (54,000 sq mi) of boreal forest and muskeg" be allowed to get underway? With the implication that almost ALL that area is to be 'developed'... 141,000 square kilometres?

And then there are the big open cast mines in America and Australia where large areas and all wildlife are simply destroyed.

And the combustion results in poisoning our atmosphere and oceans...


There must be a better solution.

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Message 1601117 - Posted: 14 Nov 2014, 17:39:40 UTC - in response to Message 1601114.  
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There must be a better solution.

One small glacial step forward, one giant political leap:


US and China leaders in 'historic' greenhouse gas emissions pledge

China and the US have unveiled new pledges on greenhouse gas emissions, as the leaders of the two countries met for talks in Beijing.

US President Barack Obama said the move was "historic", as he set a new goal of reducing US levels between 26%-28% by 2025, compared with 2005 levels.

China did not set a specific target, but said emissions would peak by 2030...

... The two countries together produce about 45% of the world's carbon dioxide...

... Republican leaders in the US reacted strongly to what they called an "unrealistic plan" proposed by Mr Obama...




Will the American Republicans vote to destroy our planet for the sake of perpetrating a little political vandalism?...


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Message 1601134 - Posted: 14 Nov 2014, 18:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 1601117.  

Will the American Republicans vote to destroy our planet for the sake of perpetrating a little political vandalism?...


Yes. Next question...
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Message 1601231 - Posted: 14 Nov 2014, 23:21:18 UTC

Burn US Out? Fossil Fuels Gunna Burn US Out? Heeba Habba.
Dr. HOHUM, was BORN FROM FIRE. Bring 'it' On Fossil Baby!
Burn Baby Burn.

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Message 1601262 - Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 0:13:10 UTC - in response to Message 1599419.  

Ah, green isn't green ... or an energy company is an energy company be it fossil of "green"
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-me-solar-silurian-20141109-story.html#page=1
Will renewable energy ruin an 'irreplaceable' Mojave desert oasis?

In one of the hottest, driest places on Earth, velvety sand dunes surround dry lake beds that, with luck, fill with spring rains. Hidden waterways attract a profusion of wildlife and birds; submerged desert rivers periodically erupt in a riot of green.

The federal Bureau of Land Management describes the Silurian Valley as an "undisturbed, irreplaceable, historic scenic landscape."

Now, a Spanish energy firm is proposing a wind and solar project that would cover 24 square miles of the Mojave Desert oasis.

Iberdrola Renewables wants to build a 200-megawatt wind farm that would sprout as many as 133 turbines reaching heights of 480 feet. Next door would be a 200-megawatt solar facility with 400 pairs of photovoltaic panels. The industrial facility would operate around the clock and be visible from nearly every point of the valley.
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"They are proposing something that has such grave impacts, that benefits so few and harms so many and is opposed by so many," said David Lamfrom, the associate director of the California Desert program for the National Parks Conservation Assn., a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization.


That IS a disturbing report :( To my knowledge, Spain does not have a brilliant record when it comes to bird conservation in particular. I wouldn't let this company anywhere near an environmentally sensitive area - and the economic arguments "for" the scheme struck me as ludicrous. Did I miss something? Proposal should be binned in my view.
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Message 1601324 - Posted: 15 Nov 2014, 5:18:20 UTC

So as not to "corrupt" this thread - the article this post refers to can be found here

Interested in people's views :)

Is this...

an opportunity to diversify Zambia’s economy while beginning to clean up the environmental degradation left by close to a century of intensive opencast mining.

Copper has long been Zambia’s national treasure, having fired the country to middle-income status in the 1960s and 70s. But by the late 1990s, tumbling copper prices sent the country’s mining income to its lowest levels since independence from the UK in 1964.

Mining has since rebounded. In 2012, copper exports amounted to $6.3bn (£4bn), or nearly 70% of Zambia’s total export market. But many Zambians now find their country’s dependency on copper stifling. Local communities suffer from environmental impacts like toxic sulphur dioxide emissions from refineries.


The environmental damage caused by the mining industry there, far exceeds that mentioned in the closing sentence above. :( Agriculture also comes at an environmental cost :( However, the crop in question grows like a weed there, so is unlikely to require much in the way of chemical additives to the soil...

Do you think it could be the right step forward in weaning "Zambia off its addiction to mining by prioritising its fledgling agricultural sector"?

Is this thinking outside the box or are they totally out of their box? :)

Oooh... I felt like Martin there for a minute what with my questions :)
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Message 1601595 - Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 2:00:26 UTC - in response to Message 1601134.  
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Will the American Republicans vote to destroy our planet for the sake of perpetrating a little political vandalism?...


Yes. Next question...

And so they have, and so soon:


Keystone XL pipeline approval passes House

The US House of Representatives has passed a bill to approve the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline...

... The 875-mile (1,408km) pipeline would carry tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, to the US state of Nebraska...

... President Barack Obama is said to take a "dim view" of the legislation, but has not directly threatened a veto...



Wrong thread for this but perhaps we need to get the American politics to get more real about the world and the environment above and beyond their self-serving selfish ridiculous childish petty politics corruption fiasco. Who paid them off so quickly?!...


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Message 1601598 - Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 2:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 1601595.  

Who paid them off so quickly?!...

No one. They are after TAXES! This is the result of income tax.
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Message 1602188 - Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:45:12 UTC

Huge solar plant lags in early production

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD
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LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The largest solar power plant of its type in the world - once promoted as a turning point in green energy - isn't producing as much energy as planned.

One of the reasons is as basic as it gets: The sun isn't shining as much as expected.

Sprawling across roughly 5 square miles of federal desert near the California-Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System opened in February, with operators saying it would produce enough electricity to power a city of 140,000 homes.

So far, however, the plant is producing about half of its expected annual output for 2014, according to calculations by the California Energy Commission.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WORLDS_LARGEST_SOLAR_PLANT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-17-14-33-47
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Huge solar plant lags in early production

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD
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LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The largest solar power plant of its type in the world - once promoted as a turning point in green energy - isn't producing as much energy as planned.

One of the reasons is as basic as it gets: The sun isn't shining as much as expected.

Sprawling across roughly 5 square miles of federal desert near the California-Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System opened in February, with operators saying it would produce enough electricity to power a city of 140,000 homes.

So far, however, the plant is producing about half of its expected annual output for 2014, according to calculations by the California Energy Commission.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WORLDS_LARGEST_SOLAR_PLANT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-17-14-33-47


And more of the story is:

... Plants owners said they are learning on the fly to some extent.

"For some aspects of operation, the only way to fully understand how the systems work has been through the experience of operating," plant owners wrote in the request to increase gas use.

Holland said the company always expected a ramp-up period of four years to reach maximum output. That extended period was not publicly disclosed, however. Holland said it is outlined in confidential agreements with two California utilities buying the power, Southern California Edison and Pacific Gas and Electric Co.

Brightsource said on its website that the weather has generally been substantially worse than historical averages - in other words, cloudy - resulting in reduced output in certain months.

"We remain confident that over time the sun at Ivanpah will be more than sufficient for the plant to meet its expected performance targets," the statement said.



Thanks for that one. Interesting to see how it develops.

Also rather interesting in how the weather has been so unusually cloudy!


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Message 1602263 - Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 22:34:23 UTC - in response to Message 1602257.  

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Also rather interesting in how the weather has been so unusually cloudy!

AP wrote:
Factors such as jet contrails

My, I guess there are more gamblers going to Las Vegas than predicted.
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Message 1602304 - Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 23:32:09 UTC - in response to Message 1602263.  

For all youse warmers--30 degrees F below NORMAL here in most of the United States.
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Message 1602337 - Posted: 19 Nov 2014, 1:26:09 UTC - in response to Message 1602304.  

For all youse warmers--30 degrees F below NORMAL here in most of the United States.

And your point is? This cold front was predicted a week ago or so when a cyclone went farther north than normal into Alaska and displacing the Artic cold mass. I would ask what unprecedented energies propeled that storm so far north?
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