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Message 1585005 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 22:57:43 UTC - in response to Message 1584848.  

... Perhaps positive change is possible?

Are they still buying their crude to make their plastic?

EXACTLY so!


Thanks for that reminder:

Oil is far far too valuable to burn.

Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL!

Thanks for expressing the environmentalist point of view.
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Message 1585027 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 23:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1585005.  
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... Thanks for that reminder:

Oil is far far too valuable to burn.

Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL!...

You are truly deluded... And thus goes poof all your trolling in a puff of smoke.


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Message 1585081 - Posted: 11 Oct 2014, 0:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 1585027.  

... Thanks for that reminder:

Oil is far far too valuable to burn.

Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL!...

You are truly deluded... And thus goes poof all your trolling in a puff of smoke.

You are the one who seems to not know what comes out of your mouth. If oil is too valuable, then you are preaching to extract every bit. If oil is worthless then there is no reason to extract it. You are the one with the problem.
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Message 1585099 - Posted: 11 Oct 2014, 1:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1585005.  

... Perhaps positive change is possible?

Are they still buying their crude to make their plastic?

EXACTLY so!


Thanks for that reminder:

Oil is far far too valuable to burn.

Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL!

Thanks for expressing the environmentalist point of view.

I call BS, their are other sources for energy and as time progresses they are becoming more cost effective. The complex hydrocarbons in petrochemicals as time goes on will become more valuable as raw materials. Think long term instead of next week.
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Message 1585133 - Posted: 11 Oct 2014, 3:23:31 UTC - in response to Message 1585099.  

... Perhaps positive change is possible?

Are they still buying their crude to make their plastic?

EXACTLY so!


Thanks for that reminder:

Oil is far far too valuable to burn.

Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL!

Thanks for expressing the environmentalist point of view.

I call BS, their are other sources for energy and as time progresses they are becoming more cost effective. The complex hydrocarbons in petrochemicals as time goes on will become more valuable as raw materials. Think long term instead of next week.

Long term raw material. DRILL BABY DRILL! Glad you want massive under water oil spills in the arctic, and elsewhere, for those raw materials that are so valuable.

This is the issue. It doesn't matter why oil has value, just that it does. As long as it has value it will be extracted and the environment is damaged. You only seek to replace one reason to damage it with another reason by kicking the can down the road.
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Message 1587114 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 12:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 1584335.  

Simon you do realize you said that in a public place and now anybody that stays at you place is going to ask you to disinfect the shower and insist they shower first .

People that prudish aren't invited to my house.
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Message 1591061 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 0:07:10 UTC - in response to Message 1587965.  
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Putting a stop to this would be a good start.

http://www.news.com.au/world/south-america/startling-photographs-reveal-illegal-logging-in-the-amazon-still-goes-on/story-fnh81jzo-1227092331006

Unfortunately, such as that is directly killing people:


Peru creates new anti-logging commission after murders

The Peruvian government says it will investigate illegal logging along the Peru-Brazil border following the murder of four indigenous leaders.

The leaders were killed in early September, allegedly by loggers...



Putting a stop to the surrounding corruption and also the corruption of foreign investment buying the death goods would help also...


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Message 1591343 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 13:22:34 UTC
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And now for a good breath of fresh air:


Wind farms outstrip nuclear power

The UK's wind farms generated more power than its nuclear power stations on Tuesday, the National Grid says. The energy network operator said it was caused by a combination of high winds and faults in nuclear plants.

Wind farms are causing controversy in rural areas and the government is choking off planning permission for new sites.

But for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%...




We need to have a balance and a mix, but those wind turbines incur much less of a danger and suffer much less 'decommissioning' or replacement costs than what we have so far suffered for going nuclear.

Our first generations of nuclear were needed for the cold war effort. Now that is past, why is fission nuclear so ridiculously expensive? (And still suspiciously with the decommissioning costs ignored...?)

Here's hoping for a faster push to going fusion powered... Or go thorium fission powered?...

Meanwhile, going windy looks to be a very good part of a mix of multiple clean sources.



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Message 1592020 - Posted: 25 Oct 2014, 17:47:25 UTC
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And for yet another solution to include into the positive mix:


Italy pushes ahead with 'next generation' biofuels from waste

Italy will become the first country in Europe to legally require "advanced biofuels" in cars and trucks, the BBC has learned.

Made from waste, the new fuels are said to reduce the amount of land taken out of food production.

The world's first commercial scale plant making fuel from straw opened in Italy last year.

From 2018, all fuel suppliers in the country will have to include 0.6% advanced biofuel in petrol and diesel...

... However while the new technologies are less likely to spur a shift from using land for food production, there are still questions over their long term sustainability. Farmers may decide to grow "waste" crops...




That reminds me of a refuse collection depo for a neighboring area here. We have the now usual "recycling" of household rubbish. Of the remainder, the depo crushes the refuse and recovers another 20% of the material for recycling. And now for surprising bit: The remaining 80% is shipped to Holland where they get more recycling from it and burn the remainder in a CHP plant...

So why are we not doing that for ourselves locally here?...


The tech exists. The politics and business still procrastinate or even strangle the cleaner new business...


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Message 1592985 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 15:33:37 UTC

For my local council we have two bins. One for recyclable stuff (all of it, paper, plastic, glass, etc; all in one bin) and one for non-recyclable (food waste, garden waste, etc).

The non-recyclables have any 'non-organic' matter (plastic, glass, metal, etc) mixed into it extracted by magnets, fans, etc; the remainder goes into a large fermenter where it produces biogas. The biogas is collected and runs turbines to generate electricity thus powering the entire plant and the surplus is sold to the grid. The leftovers from fermentation are used as fertiliser.

That green enough for you?
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Message 1593166 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 23:03:12 UTC

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29788754
A worldwide one-child policy would mean the number of people in 2100 remained around current levels, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Even a catastrophic event that killed billions of people would have little effect on the overall impact, it said.

There may be 12 billion humans on Earth by 2100, latest projections suggest.

Concerns about the impact of people on the planet's resources have been growing, especially if the population continues to increase.

'Can't stop it'

The authors of this new study said roughly 14% of all the people who ever existed were alive today.

These growing numbers mean a greater impact on the environment than ever, with worries about the conversion of forests for agriculture, the rise of urbanisation, the pressure on species, pollution, and climate change.

The picture is complicated by the fact that while the overall figures have been growing, the world's per-capita fertility has been declining for several decades.

The impact on the environment has increased substantially, however, because of rising affluence and consumption rates.

Many experts have argued the best way of tackling this impact is to facilitate a rapid transition to much lower fertility rates.

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Message 1593509 - Posted: 28 Oct 2014, 14:17:30 UTC - in response to Message 1593166.  


Many experts have argued the best way of tackling this impact is to facilitate a rapid transition to much lower fertility rates.


My Wife watches a TV show about something along those lines. I don't watch it (having better (imo) things to do), but she likes it...

What is the name.... uhh... 'The Lottery', I think it is.
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Message 1593533 - Posted: 28 Oct 2014, 22:19:56 UTC

Another Solution!
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/06/warren-buffett-i-build-wind-turbines-to-lower-my-corporate-taxes/
The Oracle of Omaha wrote:
“I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire’s tax rate,” Buffett told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska this weekend. “For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That’s the only reason to build them. They don’t make sense without the tax credit.”

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Message 1595287 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 0:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 1593533.  
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Another Solution!
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/06/warren-buffett-i-build-wind-turbines-to-lower-my-corporate-taxes/
The Oracle of Omaha wrote:
“I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire’s tax rate,” Buffett told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska this weekend. “For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That’s the only reason to build them. They don’t make sense without the tax credit.”

You've got to hand it to him: That's a very good financing ploy!


It also suggests that the "fossil fuels curruptocracy" are far too subsidized and far too powerful for their lobbying... And the pollution to damned us all.


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Message 1595293 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 0:40:29 UTC
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Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have:


Wind farms outstrip nuclear power

... for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%.

It follows another milestone on Saturday, when wind generated a record amount of power - 6,372 MW, according to National Grid.

This formed nearly 20% of the the UK's electricity, albeit at a time at the weekend when demand is relatively low...



And the wind power has continued to vie neck-and-neck with nuclear since then for the week.

We also have seen recently announced:


M&S builds UK's 'largest solar panel array' at Castle Donington

Work to build what has been described as the biggest roof-mounted solar panel array in the UK has started at a Marks and Spencer distribution centre.

More than 24,000 panels will be spread across the Castle Donington building's roof - which is the same size as 11 football pitches...

"Importantly as well as reducing our carbon emissions, it will make our site almost self sufficient during the day," he said. "It will produce 5,000 MWh of electricity a year that's equivalent to the power of around 1,190 homes."

He said the building already had one of Europe's largest solar walls.

The solar array should be complete next year.



There are good positive clean ways to go...

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Message 1595333 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 1:27:03 UTC - in response to Message 1595287.  

It also suggests that the "fossil fuels curruptocracy" are far too subsidized and far too powerful for their lobbying... And the pollution to damned us all.

It does not suggest that at all. It suggests that there is more extractable energy per unit available in fossil fuel than in wind.
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Message 1595480 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 9:12:24 UTC
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Wind farms outstrip nuclear power


What do you pay per kilowatt-hour ?
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Message 1595617 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 16:21:15 UTC - in response to Message 1595293.  

Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have:


Wind farms outstrip nuclear power

... for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%.

It follows another milestone on Saturday, when wind generated a record amount of power - 6,372 MW, according to National Grid.

This formed nearly 20% of the the UK's electricity, albeit at a time at the weekend when demand is relatively low...



And the wind power has continued to vie neck-and-neck with nuclear since then for the week.

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Isn't that figure a bit questionable, not that wind was the greater for that period, but that several nuclear stations are off at the moment.
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Message 1595645 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 18:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 1595617.  
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Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have:


Wind farms outstrip nuclear power

... for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%.

It follows another milestone on Saturday, when wind generated a record amount of power - 6,372 MW, according to National Grid.

This formed nearly 20% of the the UK's electricity, albeit at a time at the weekend when demand is relatively low...



And the wind power has continued to vie neck-and-neck with nuclear since then for the week.

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Isn't that figure a bit questionable, not that wind was the greater for that period, but that several nuclear stations are off at the moment.

That is certainly a confluence of circumstances but significant none-the-less for being a first as the wind power generation develops yet further as our nuclear power generation ages and declines.

Nuclear is down to about 12% to 14% power generation from being previously up above 20% of our power mix.

The big recent gain has been for the use of combined-cycle gas powered generators ("the dash for gas"). Although still fossil fuels, at least they are drastically more efficient and less polluting than dirty old coal and oil.

For example, at the moment (18:15 GMT, 01/11/2014), the UK is supplied by primarily:

    1. CC-Gas 35%
    2. Coal 24%
    3. Wind 15% (5.6 Giga Watts)
    4. Nuclear 12%


Hydro is surprisingly small at merely 2%

Nuclear fission would be good to stay in the mix for base load but at what extravagant cost and safety/pollution risk?

Meanwhile, wind, solar and tidal power are rising. Backed by new pump storage schemes and rapidly developing large scale efficient new battery tech.

Across the UK, there is scope for a LOT of small scale hydro schemes at 100kW to 2MW which can be put in place with minimal disruption. However, as is too often the case, they are held back by the present grid and established power monopoly...

[edit] Also note that to me it looks like short-term it is the CC-Gas generators/companies that are the ones that directly lose out as wind power becomes more available... Longer term, dirty old coal will get ever more squeezed out also. Expect continued 'lobbying' for such a shift in profits and fortune... [/edit]


Where there is a will, there are many ways positively forwards yet...

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