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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
... Perhaps positive change is possible? Translation: DRILL BABY DRILL! Thanks for expressing the environmentalist point of view. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Thanks for that reminder: You are truly deluded... And thus goes poof all your trolling in a puff of smoke. Meanwhile, there is the only one world we have, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
... Thanks for that reminder: You are the one who seems to not know what comes out of your mouth. If oil is too valuable, then you are preaching to extract every bit. If oil is worthless then there is no reason to extract it. You are the one with the problem. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
... Perhaps positive change is possible? I call BS, their are other sources for energy and as time progresses they are becoming more cost effective. The complex hydrocarbons in petrochemicals as time goes on will become more valuable as raw materials. Think long term instead of next week. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
... Perhaps positive change is possible? Long term raw material. DRILL BABY DRILL! Glad you want massive under water oil spills in the arctic, and elsewhere, for those raw materials that are so valuable. This is the issue. It doesn't matter why oil has value, just that it does. As long as it has value it will be extracted and the environment is damaged. You only seek to replace one reason to damage it with another reason by kicking the can down the road. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Simon you do realize you said that in a public place and now anybody that stays at you place is going to ask you to disinfect the shower and insist they shower first . People that prudish aren't invited to my house. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Putting a stop to this would be a good start. http://www.news.com.au/world/south-america/startling-photographs-reveal-illegal-logging-in-the-amazon-still-goes-on/story-fnh81jzo-1227092331006 |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Putting a stop to this would be a good start. Unfortunately, such as that is directly killing people: Peru creates new anti-logging commission after murders The Peruvian government says it will investigate illegal logging along the Peru-Brazil border following the murder of four indigenous leaders. The leaders were killed in early September, allegedly by loggers... Putting a stop to the surrounding corruption and also the corruption of foreign investment buying the death goods would help also... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And now for a good breath of fresh air: Wind farms outstrip nuclear power The UK's wind farms generated more power than its nuclear power stations on Tuesday, the National Grid says. The energy network operator said it was caused by a combination of high winds and faults in nuclear plants. Wind farms are causing controversy in rural areas and the government is choking off planning permission for new sites. But for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%... We need to have a balance and a mix, but those wind turbines incur much less of a danger and suffer much less 'decommissioning' or replacement costs than what we have so far suffered for going nuclear. Our first generations of nuclear were needed for the cold war effort. Now that is past, why is fission nuclear so ridiculously expensive? (And still suspiciously with the decommissioning costs ignored...?) Here's hoping for a faster push to going fusion powered... Or go thorium fission powered?... Meanwhile, going windy looks to be a very good part of a mix of multiple clean sources. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And for yet another solution to include into the positive mix: Italy pushes ahead with 'next generation' biofuels from waste Italy will become the first country in Europe to legally require "advanced biofuels" in cars and trucks, the BBC has learned. Made from waste, the new fuels are said to reduce the amount of land taken out of food production. The world's first commercial scale plant making fuel from straw opened in Italy last year. From 2018, all fuel suppliers in the country will have to include 0.6% advanced biofuel in petrol and diesel... ... However while the new technologies are less likely to spur a shift from using land for food production, there are still questions over their long term sustainability. Farmers may decide to grow "waste" crops... That reminds me of a refuse collection depo for a neighboring area here. We have the now usual "recycling" of household rubbish. Of the remainder, the depo crushes the refuse and recovers another 20% of the material for recycling. And now for surprising bit: The remaining 80% is shipped to Holland where they get more recycling from it and burn the remainder in a CHP plant... So why are we not doing that for ourselves locally here?... The tech exists. The politics and business still procrastinate or even strangle the cleaner new business... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
For my local council we have two bins. One for recyclable stuff (all of it, paper, plastic, glass, etc; all in one bin) and one for non-recyclable (food waste, garden waste, etc). The non-recyclables have any 'non-organic' matter (plastic, glass, metal, etc) mixed into it extracted by magnets, fans, etc; the remainder goes into a large fermenter where it produces biogas. The biogas is collected and runs turbines to generate electricity thus powering the entire plant and the surplus is sold to the grid. The leftovers from fermentation are used as fertiliser. That green enough for you? Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29788754 A worldwide one-child policy would mean the number of people in 2100 remained around current levels, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
My Wife watches a TV show about something along those lines. I don't watch it (having better (imo) things to do), but she likes it... What is the name.... uhh... 'The Lottery', I think it is. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Another Solution! http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/06/warren-buffett-i-build-wind-turbines-to-lower-my-corporate-taxes/ The Oracle of Omaha wrote: “I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire’s tax rate,†Buffett told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska this weekend. “For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That’s the only reason to build them. They don’t make sense without the tax credit.†|
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Another Solution! You've got to hand it to him: That's a very good financing ploy! It also suggests that the "fossil fuels curruptocracy" are far too subsidized and far too powerful for their lobbying... And the pollution to damned us all. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have: Wind farms outstrip nuclear power ... for a 24-hour period yesterday, spinning blades produced more energy than splitting atoms. Wind made up 14.2% of all generation and nuclear offered 13.2%. It follows another milestone on Saturday, when wind generated a record amount of power - 6,372 MW, according to National Grid. This formed nearly 20% of the the UK's electricity, albeit at a time at the weekend when demand is relatively low... And the wind power has continued to vie neck-and-neck with nuclear since then for the week. We also have seen recently announced: M&S builds UK's 'largest solar panel array' at Castle Donington Work to build what has been described as the biggest roof-mounted solar panel array in the UK has started at a Marks and Spencer distribution centre. More than 24,000 panels will be spread across the Castle Donington building's roof - which is the same size as 11 football pitches... "Importantly as well as reducing our carbon emissions, it will make our site almost self sufficient during the day," he said. "It will produce 5,000 MWh of electricity a year that's equivalent to the power of around 1,190 homes." He said the building already had one of Europe's largest solar walls. The solar array should be complete next year. There are good positive clean ways to go... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It also suggests that the "fossil fuels curruptocracy" are far too subsidized and far too powerful for their lobbying... And the pollution to damned us all. It does not suggest that at all. It suggests that there is more extractable energy per unit available in fossil fuel than in wind. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Wind farms outstrip nuclear power What do you pay per kilowatt-hour ? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19014 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have: Isn't that figure a bit questionable, not that wind was the greater for that period, but that several nuclear stations are off at the moment. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, over here in the UK for the last few days, our wind generated power has outstripped the contribution from nuclear power. At the moment we have: That is certainly a confluence of circumstances but significant none-the-less for being a first as the wind power generation develops yet further as our nuclear power generation ages and declines. Nuclear is down to about 12% to 14% power generation from being previously up above 20% of our power mix. The big recent gain has been for the use of combined-cycle gas powered generators ("the dash for gas"). Although still fossil fuels, at least they are drastically more efficient and less polluting than dirty old coal and oil. For example, at the moment (18:15 GMT, 01/11/2014), the UK is supplied by primarily: 1. CC-Gas 35% 2. Coal 24% 3. Wind 15% (5.6 Giga Watts) 4. Nuclear 12%
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