Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects: Solutions #2
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Darth Beaver     Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 
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Willian you are making the same mistake as a lot of people and this was explained very clearly in COSMOS a SPACE TIME ODDASY when the commentator said weather is what happens locally or from day to day year to year .Climate is what is happening over Century's and longer and the fact that temps are still going up or be it slower and this is caused by CO2 , and you forget a even more pressing problem , the actual CO2 , when it get to 600 ppm there will be serious health effects . Like newborns having smaller brains and not developing properly . It seems to me you are thinking more of your pockets than what will happen to future gens . I say to you don't think about it that way . Next time your nephews and nices pop over tell them you care more about your pocket than you do about them as that is what you are doing putting money over there future 
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 William Rothamel  Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 
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Willian you are making the same mistake You exception has been noted. ID: 1564366 · |
Sirius B   Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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Here's a fantastic solution.... Possible end to climate change? ...Everyone on the planet to become a vegan or vegetarian! ID: 1565801 · |
Julie  Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 
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On the subject of costs --After the discussion and the perusal of lists of European costs per kilo-watt hour I conclude that even with partial conversion to renewables --wind and solar are 2 to 3 times more expensive as coal and nuclear. Most people only look at their wallets nowadays Martin, believe me I have around 70 customers a day and that's what's most important for the greater part. (this should've been in the denial thread:( rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1565807 · |
The Simonator  Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 
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Here's a fantastic solution.... Or, reduce the population growth. Encourage adoption rather than breeding, scrap child benefit, free vasectomies for all (particularly struggling countries like in Africa), and tell the Catholic church to shut up. If the world adopted something like China's one child policy (albeit with a few modifications to make it less totalitarian), the problem would be solved in two 30-year shakes of a duck's tail. Some would call me a dangerous lunatic for this idea (mentioning no names), i see it more as a practical solution. 'No child born to die' is a good mantra, 'Less children born' makes it far more feasible. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. 
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Gary Charpentier  Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Here's a fantastic solution.... The only solution we know with 100% certainty that will work. I've said it several times before, but I get called a denier when I do. I say anyone who opposes the only solution known 100% to work is in denial. 
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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... 'No child born to die' is a good mantra, 'Less children born' makes it far more feasible. Except there is no need for the extreme and absolute solution of your total eradication... We generally have a culture of 'expansionism' and continual 'growth' that is guaranteed to hit disaster. However, there are some cultures that have very successfully lived for very long periods at a steady population level in sympathy with their environment... Given the right politics and culture, the rest of the world can successfully do the same. The question becomes how we can do that for all... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1569599 · |
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50
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Except there is no need for the extreme and absolute solution of your total eradication... Who suggested total eradication? Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Except there is no need for the extreme and absolute solution of your total eradication... Martin.
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3
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If the world adopted something like China's one child policy (albeit with a few modifications to make it less totalitarian), the problem would be solved in two 30-year shakes of a duck's tail. mm that's funny as China now realizes that the 1 child policy has some bad side effects like more men than women and a ageing population that will become a burden on there country and why they have now relaxed that policy some what . they can have 2 So sorry simon that is not a good idea , wont work .
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Except there is no need for the extreme and absolute solution of your total eradication... Sheesh... So Gary gets his giggle... Good trolling. Gary is well known for his 100% solution of nuke'm all... Hopefully we can prove ourselves to be a bit more intelligent than that... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1569622 · |
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50
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If the world adopted something like China's one child policy (albeit with a few modifications to make it less totalitarian), the problem would be solved in two 30-year shakes of a duck's tail. You will note that i did qualify the statement in parentheses after, China's policy had a problem in that the Chinese apparently viewed boys as more valuable than girls, so the balance ended up skewed. In the UK the balance at the moment is 50.7% women (source), assuming that remained, no problem there. In China women are 48.2%, so they're not that far off really, especially compared to the UAE (29.9%), Quatar (23.5%) and Oman (36.4%). A two child policy would also reverse the population growth, just more slowly, since the average number of children per couple would average slightly less than two. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Except there is no need for the extreme and absolute solution of your total eradication... Only Martin calls for 100% http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm wrote: 1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE Martin has a problem with #1. His issue is we are already over 10 times beyond it. If we weren't 10 times beyond it, we wouldn't have an issue with CO2 or global warming. Martin is in denial, of the problem and the correction required. He thinks there is some magic potion that will allow 20 times more to live on the planet. If there is some way to have each person cut 95% of their CO2. Cut that much and all commerce stops. Martin is in denial about the magnitude of the problem and the required cuts to eliminate the problem.
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Ignoring all the personalized mis-quoting... To give: ... we are already over 10 times beyond it. If we weren't 10 times beyond it, we wouldn't have an issue with CO2 or global warming. ... some magic potion that will allow 20 times more to live on the planet. If there is some way to have each person cut 95% of their CO2. Cut that much and all commerce stops. ... in denial about the magnitude of the problem and the required cuts to eliminate the problem. That gives a good summary of one view of doom and gloom. Don't know where your x10 and x20 and 95% assumptions come from... Nor for how somehow all commerce must come to a halt... We certainly do need to become a lot less corrupt and a lot more altruistic and cooperative to sustain our present levels of activity. We also must stop the corruption of enforced continual-growth-until-catastrophe and collapse. And we do seem to be working towards that. Even Big Business is starting to feel the financial pressure of the disruption caused by their own pollution. Very much a case of finally noticing that they are "pissing in their own bathtub". Unfortunately, we are all in the same bathtub! So... The question is: How best do we kick the politics and business corruption into shape to buy us time to get our culture into shape for living in a long term SUSTAINABLE balance with our planet? For all our flagrant wasteful pollution, our present day tech is already available to buy us a lot of time... If only that is usefully done soon enough... We are not doomed yet, but we are playing an ever more stupid and expensive game of 'chicken' with our climate and weather and planet. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1570950 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Don't know where your x10 and x20 and 95% assumptions come from... Nor for how somehow all commerce must come to a halt... try looking up world population ... We also must stop the corruption of enforced continual-growth-until-catastrophe and collapse. Then we need to find a better designer for nature So... The question is: How best do we kick the politics and business corruption into shape to buy us time to get our culture into shape for living in a long term SUSTAINABLE balance with our planet? By a simple understanding that business growth is driven by population growth. Yes, it really is that simple.
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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... Only if you wish to stay blind and simple. That "business growth drive" is all a part of the present self-destruction pushed by financial driven Marketing driving 'consumerism'. The forces of 'finance' there really do push for everyone to be ever more wasteful and destructive. How better to get more of your product sold than to persuade/force people to buy it multiple times over?... So, do we need to shoot the destructive financial and Marketing practices to save out planet? Or can politics and good sense triumph to curb the destructive excesses? The politics and good sense could also lead to a more healthy culture for all... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1571428 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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And is this a potentially smart move that is being stymied by poor implementation and corrupt lobbying?... Smart meters will save only 2% on energy bills, say MPs Installing smart meters in every house in the UK will save consumers "only 2%" on their annual bills, a committee of MPs has warned... ... MPs also warned that the technology could be out of date by the time the roll-out is complete... The idea to allow users to directly see what they are using is a good idea. Much better than the "nasty surprise" that some people suffer when eventually billed. However, has this all been spoilt by deliberate incompatibility and inflexibility and delay for obfuscation whereby the 'Big Companies' are trying their usual monopolistic/cartel tricks of entrapment and gouging?... And our planet be damned... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1571430 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50
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All that i'd expect smart meters to save is the small amount of wood pulping for bills and statements and the diesel from vans on people whose job it is to read the meter. I already use electricity sparingly to save on bills. Little things like turning off the lights, installing LED bulbs, and not spending hours in the shower. When i had a smart meter installed my bill only dropped by pence a month since i was no longer receiving paper statements, and that's all i was expecting. The main advantage is the convenience of not having to read the meter. Got a far bigger saving from my little solar plant. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50
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... MPs also warned that the technology could be out of date by the time the roll-out is complete... And the reason given: The Committee also said that some of the technology is likely to be out of date by the time it is installed. At the moment the meters carry an in-house display, which tells consumers how much energy they are using at any given time, and how much it is costing. The idea is that will encourage consumers to use less electricity and gas. But the MPs said customers could receive similar information on smart phones. That doesn't make them out of date. The little display will be of far more use to my grandparents than a smartphone app. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.
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