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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Marmot Adorably Ruins Time Lapse of Glacier National Park Thanks for that. I like the very practical take on nature: The folks at Greenpeace apparently weren’t too disappointed by the marmot’s cameo, and have even adopted it for the mascot of their message: “But let’s be fair about this. This marmot took a minute out of its busy day to show us some love. It’s time for us to do the same. Global warming is shrinking marmot habitat — alpine tundra. Help protect his home from climate change.†If only we could persuade the climate rapists that the charm and value of nature far far out weigh their selfish greedy polluting profits... But then, is there any hope for those that live for their greed and the rest of the world and everyone else be damned? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
All going forwards for clean electricity: Renewables produce record high electricity for UK in 2014 Renewable energy technologies contributed nearly one fifth [20%] of the UK’s power mix in the first quarter of the year... ... By the end of quarter one, the UK had installed 20.8GW of renewable energy... ... the renewables industry, which was already celebrating this week after the wind industry broke its summer performance record as a result of high winds over the weekend, outstripping generation from coal in the process... ... The data comes in the same week as Germany also confirmed that it enjoyed record output from renewables in the first half of this year, with renewable energy meeting 28% of power demand... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
All going forwards for clean electricity: Martin Luther--I am amazed that the numbers are that high. What do you pay for a kilowatt-hour ? When I worked for Pacific Gas and Electric we had only 10% in our section of California from the Geysers which actually were real polluters. They are just north of Yountville where the recent earth quake caused mayhem in the my beloved Napa Valley. The Napa Valley is headed (near Yountville) by a large, extinct volcano which covered the valley in volcanic ash and soil. You can go to a parking area just north of there and wait for a geyser to erupt--it was not as regular as OLD FAITHFUL in Yosemite National Park however. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Ecofix is 8 eurocent per kWh peak and 5 eurocent per kWh off-peak That's a very good tariff. I would have guessed double that price. It is comparable to what we pay the local TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) distributor which is heavy in Hydro and Coal. Is this number subsidized by incentives to the provider for tax abatement and capital expenditures ? |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Ecofix is 8 eurocent per kWh peak and 5 eurocent per kWh off-peak Within this price transport-and distribution costs and taxes are included (for the non-professional customer). rOZZ Music Pictures |
Dimly Lit Lightbulb 😀 Send message Joined: 30 Aug 08 Posts: 15399 Credit: 7,423,413 RAC: 1 |
All going forwards for clean electricity: Current U.K. National Grid Status, updates every five minutes and you can download the data from as far back as 22:30 13th May 2009 :) Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Current U.K. National Grid Status, updates every five minutes and you can download the data from as far back as 22:30 13th May 2009 :) Thanks for that. Highly illuminating... I'm surprised we have so little hydro-electric power. Also, solar is not listed. And the claim for wind power out-producing coal-fired power is very good but also there looks to be a market quirk there whereby gas turbines look to have been in greater use for that period... So, still good progress but we still have a long way to go yet... Can we have the Markets damned rather than our world?... All on our only one planet, Martin Aside: That web page display is very well crafted and makes good use of some well known distinctive FLOSS for the charts... ("RRD") See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I'm surprised we have so little hydro-electric power http://www.internationalrivers.org/blogs/227/large-dams-are-uneconomic-scientific-study-finds |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Ecofix is 8 eurocent per kWh peak and 5 eurocent per kWh off-peak Julie, I just saw a chart that shows Belgium as the highest cost per kilowatt hour in Europe. It stated that it was .217 Euros per KWH. Can you confirm your earlier statement of 8 euro cents ? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I'm surprised we have so little hydro-electric power Thanks for that rare piece of clarity: “We find that even before accounting for negative impacts on human society and environment, the actual construction costs of large dams are too high to yield a positive return,†a new report states. “Large dams also take inordinately long periods of time to get built, making them ineffective in resolving urgent energy crises.†Simply put, dams don’t just destroy the environment and impoverish local communities. They also don’t make economic sense... ... vested interests in building dams and may try to disregard the findings of the new study. Disinterested government officials and investors should take the facts and figures of the Oxford study seriously. The empirical evidence demonstrates that even on economic terms, large dams are usually not the best energy solution. ... Which also usually goes for whatever other "big project" often becoming not the 'best solution'... Is that more a problem of a project becoming so big that the scope for corruption becomes too great? Two similar projects here in the UK come to mind of how there was a very big push and self-fulfilling publicity for how the Severn Barrage would solve all our energy needs with the worlds greatest 'dam' across the Severn estuary. That all got very suspicious when the costings came out to be about £50 billion and included all manner of other projects including a motorway bridge and "executive housing" that had nothing to do with energy... Strangely, we now instead have the new "HS2" rail project that is supposedly about £50 billion and is somehow 'green' and eco-friendly. Is the real motivation that of megalomania and so the big civil engineering companies get an easy and profitable ride to pour vast amounts of concrete all at our expense? And with any benefits that are nothing more than an expensive happy aside against corrupt or vague decisions made?... Small hydro-electric schemes look to work very well: A community at Machynlleth get near continuous power from two water turbines. They have a pelton turbine running and on display that is about the size of a car wheel and the generator is about the size of large rucksack giving 4kW power at 240v. There are various river turbines around the country across existing weirs running up to MW output that are unobtrusive and very successful. Importantly, they are big enough to be significant yet small enough to not need expensive reworking of the surrounding infrastructrue. The small successful distributed projects are in stark contrast to the unwieldy mega-projects... Perhaps many small projects are more effective and more friendly and come with less scope for corruption than "the big stuff"... Every little helps! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Ecofix is 8 eurocent per kWh peak and 5 eurocent per kWh off-peak http://www.luminus.be/~/media/Online%20Channels/Download%20documents/Pricelists/NL/EEF2C_NL_Ecofix2_elec.pdf Notice 'tweevoudige meter', that means peak and off-peak. Peak is currently at 7,42 eurocent per kWh and off-peak at 5,28 eurocent per kWh But indeed transport-and distribution costs are not included in that price. In my area the distribution costs are 9,10 and 5,90 eurocent per kWh and transport costs 1,78 eurocent per kWh. Taxes are 0,2023 eurocent per kWh. That's where I made my mistake yesterday. Overall 6% tax is included in the energy cost though. rOZZ Music Pictures |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One way to avoid dirty lock-in continuing the dirty old ways?... Get rid of dirty coal Energy companies are on the verge of spending millions to keep coal plants open for decades. But if Cameron, Miliband and Clegg all take a stand, and state that dirty coal has no future here, it could be enough to deter investors – finally getting the UK off this climate-wrecking fuel for good. Sign the petition:... We certainly should not be investing in replacing old old-dirty power with the same old dirty stuff! And certainly not to be trapped for another few decades! Can public opinion override corporate greed and corruption?... Take a look? (The stereotypical picture on that petition page is that of some cooling towers. Note that they are not directly polluting in that they merely release steam/heat into the environment. They do however show the profligate wasted energy from steam generator plants which makes dirty coal even more dirty polluting!) All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
On the subject of costs --After the discussion and the perusal of lists of European costs per kilo-watt hour I conclude that even with partial conversion to renewables --wind and solar are 2 to 3 times more expensive as coal and nuclear. I maintain my stance against such methods until they can be made cost competitive with gas, coal and nuclear as we have here in the states. I take this position since i feel that a tripling of energy costs here in the states would further destroy a sick economy. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
On the subject of costs --After the discussion and the perusal of lists of European costs per kilo-watt hour I conclude that even with partial conversion to renewables --wind and solar are 2 to 3 times more expensive as coal and nuclear. Sadly that's a true fact for the future. Due to the upcome of renewables green energy will make your invoice 30% more expensive than grey energy. That means the consumer will have to pay 180 euros more on a year base in 2016 compared to 2015. It even increases to 233 euros, depending on your distribution manager and your tariff. rOZZ Music Pictures |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
On the subject of costs --After the discussion and the perusal of lists of European costs per kilo-watt hour I conclude that even with partial conversion to renewables --wind and solar are 2 to 3 times more expensive as coal and nuclear. However for just one example, you get payback BIG TIME for the reduced CO2 pollution reducing the landfall by just one hurricane... We also get a more general payback for suffering less from the presently ever increasing deluges of rain and ensuing flash floods... As for the supposed x2 or x3 costs: Care to share your present day figures for that?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
And there are costs being added to renewable's that should not like extra taxes . The costs are being driven up deliberately to discourage ppl from switching over to solar . Here in Australia the price of electricity has gone up like 100% in just a few years . MAD MONK ABBOT has try'd to say it's because of the carbon tax but guess what it's not only 10% of the increases has been to the carbon tax the other 90% has been to gold plate the system in other words wasted . Now MAD MONK ABBOTT is saying it's the subsidize for solar and wishes to cancel the subsidy . Of curse it's not that he's in bed with big coal or gas could it NA i'm just being cynical right |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I apologize, but I fail to see the connection from a misicule contribution to a miniscle concentration of CO-2 to causation of a hurricane. Hurricanes have been scarce this year in our hemisphere. I am sure co-2 has gone up somewhat this year--do i conclude that we need more C0-2 to limit the occurence of hurricanes even further. |
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