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Message 1522085 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 20:25:20 UTC - in response to Message 1522079.

""The U.S. may not continue to lead this work," Werthimer said.

"I would find that disappointing," Rep. Suzanne Bonamici, D-Ore., responded."

So would the rest of us.

The US led the Space Race & to see them back away now is a big disappointment.
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Message 1522243 - Posted: 29 May 2014, 4:00:26 UTC - in response to Message 1522079.

Just saw a mention of this on Space.com

"We'll Find Alien Life in This Lifetime, Scientists Tell Congress"
Congressman Ralph Hall is 91 years old. We better find life yesterday.
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Message 1522295 - Posted: 29 May 2014, 6:34:41 UTC

Good news ,keep working.

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Message 1522415 - Posted: 29 May 2014, 16:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 1522243.

Congressman Ralph Hall is 91 years old. We better find life yesterday.


Ralph Hall is not going to be a U.S. Representative for much longer...he was defeated in a primary.
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Message 1525230 - Posted: 6 Jun 2014, 15:32:06 UTC - in response to Message 1520238.

Thanks for telling us about this, Matt.


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Message 1527952 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 9:49:32 UTC

I wonder what the point of these hearings is. After all, the people who can judge best if good science is done and a project deserves further funding are other scientists.

Having politicians ask question usually puts scientist in the role of being a teacher, teaching non-scientists about what they are doing (as seen in the video). This approach seems to be pretty US-unique.

In about every other country around the world the government pays their experts (who are scientists themselves) to recommend what they should fund.

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Message 1528048 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 17:27:23 UTC - in response to Message 1527952.
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I wonder what the point of these hearings is. After all, the people who can judge best if good science is done and a project deserves further funding are other scientists.
It is in the Constitution that Congress makes the budget. Just to get a hearing shows it is good science but funding is limited . The hearings are open and public; all sides, if there are sides, are welcome to present their case then the public decides. Write your congressman it works*.


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Message 1528227 - Posted: 15 Jun 2014, 12:02:57 UTC - in response to Message 1528048.

Thank you for your answer. Just for clarification:

It is in the Constitution that Congress makes the budget.
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That's the same over here (and probably in most democracies). In the end the parliament (called "Bundestag") decides.

But the recommendations about what should be funded come from the Ministry for Science and Education which is closely working together with the scientific institutions and universities. If additional input is needed the Bundestag has its own group of experts called "wissenschaftlicher Dienst" (approximate translation: "scientific service").


Just to get a hearing shows it is good science but funding is limited . The hearings are open and public; all sides, if there are sides, are welcome to present their case then the public decides.


So the purpose is not to check wether scientific standards are met, as these checks are already done at that point, but rather to inform politics and the public? (So they can prioritize the amount of funding given to the projects, and of course to spark public interest)

This seems to make sense. Maybe I was mislead by the juristic wording. ( e.g. "hearing", "testimony"). In my ears it just sounded like there are doubts about wether good science is done with public money.

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Message 1528401 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 0:04:39 UTC

This seems to make sense. Maybe I was mislead by the juristic wording. ( e.g. "hearing", "testimony"). In my ears it just sounded like there are doubts about wether good science is done with public money.
The committee is looking for more than pure science as a reason for this funding. A project that generates public interest in science, like SETI, has an advantage.
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Message 1528440 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 3:06:13 UTC - in response to Message 1528401.

This seems to make sense. Maybe I was mislead by the juristic wording. ( e.g. "hearing", "testimony"). In my ears it just sounded like there are doubts about wether good science is done with public money.
The committee is looking for more than pure science as a reason for this funding. A project that generates public interest in science, like SETI, has an advantage.

A project that is likely to get the politicians votes in the next election has an advantage. Everything else, including the public good, is secondary to that. Sad, but true.
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Message 1529228 - Posted: 18 Jun 2014, 1:02:40 UTC

I watched the video of the hearing, and in Mr. Werthimer's PowerPoint presentation he noted that Seti@home involves the "screen saver" that crunches the data when computer not in use. Appears that's no longer the case with the current software, as the screen saver animation just illustrates what data the program is crunching. I haven't used the screen saver for some time to save processing power on my older machines, and use this power to actually crunch.

Just an observation. I assume the graphics might bring the curious on board initially?

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Message 1535470 - Posted: 3 Jul 2014, 12:57:48 UTC

I watched the video of Dan Werthimer at the U.S. House of Representatives.

I found it inspirational! It reminded me of the end of the film "Contact" with Jodie Foster, and she gives here testimony before the jury.

Well done Dan Werthimer, you gave it your best shot!

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Message 1561386 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 4:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 1521291.

Thank you for posting the link to the video. I found it very informative and hopefully the funding will continue. In addition, SETI may gain a few new data crunchers now that the students in attendance had the opportunity to learn about SETI.

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