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Message 1519724 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 12:06:48 UTC

BREAKING: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/thailand-coup-as-army-takes-control-of-government/5471734

Thai military has taken control of the country after months of protest...
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Message 1519765 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 14:37:51 UTC - in response to Message 1519724.

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Message 1519785 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 15:44:56 UTC - in response to Message 1519765.

And?
Business as usual.
The commander-in-chief, who invoked martial law on Tuesday, said the coup was needed to prevent the conflict escalating. The national constitution has been suspended, while a nationwide curfew from 10:00pm to 5:00am is now in place.
Who elected him chief? This parliamentary system looks good on the surface with unlimited parties but in practice it leads to lawless disorder.
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Message 1519898 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 18:17:01 UTC

Wondering if ONE of the differences between a successful democracy , and an unsuccessful democracy, is the allegiance of their military forces.

I am not thinking about the Generals/Warlords, but the troops themselves.

During my Service time, and talking to my nieces & nephews presently Serving, regarding an attempted imposition of Martial Law: I/They cannot imagine following these orders.

Maybe that is a significant difference.
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Message 1519935 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 19:08:43 UTC - in response to Message 1519898.

During my Service time, and talking to my nieces & nephews presently Serving, regarding an attempted imposition of Martial Law: I/They cannot imagine following these orders.

Before and after maybe but not during. For a private E-nothing blind obedience to orders is "drilled" into them. There is a brief mention of "lawful" orders but all orders are lawful to enlisted men.

Katrina showed what blind obedience to orders training will do. The law knows this and that is the reason only Generals were hung at Nurenburg and only officers were prosecuted for Mai Ly.

If a US General wants his career cut short he just has to publicly disagree with his boss. Truman relieves MacArthur of duties in Korea. It appears in Thailand some general is the Commander-in-Chief; that makes him the de facto ruler all of the time.
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Message 1520008 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 22:00:47 UTC - in response to Message 1519935.

During my Service time, and talking to my nieces & nephews presently Serving, regarding an attempted imposition of Martial Law: I/They cannot imagine following these orders.

Before and after maybe but not during. For a private E-nothing blind obedience to orders is "drilled" into them. There is a brief mention of "lawful" orders but all orders are lawful to enlisted men.

Katrina showed what blind obedience to orders training will do. The law knows this and that is the reason only Generals were hung at Nurenburg and only officers were prosecuted for Mai Ly.

If a US General wants his career cut short he just has to publicly disagree with his boss. Truman relieves MacArthur of duties in Korea. It appears in Thailand some general is the Commander-in-Chief; that makes him the de facto ruler all of the time.

I was talking about a Total Imposition of Nation Wide Martial Law. Katrina, and other 'small' events, are not relevant.
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Message 1520011 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 22:07:54 UTC

It's interesting to me that the prevailing view is that the military is acting on behalf of the King. When parliament can't govern the military has been asked to step up.

Side note: I expect that the Martial Law is likely only noticeable in Bangkok. Rest of Thailand likely running more or less as it was 12 months ago.
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Message 1520018 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 22:31:32 UTC - in response to Message 1520008.
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I was talking about a Total Imposition of Nation Wide Martial Law. Katrina, and other 'small' events, are not relevant.

What caused the imposition of nation wide martial law? Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and declared martial law during the civil war. Just refusing to obey orders will not be enough; they will have to take up arms to avoid becoming another Eddie Slovik. Eisenhower had him shot for refusing to obey orders. It won't be easy to decide if you want to shoot or get shot. Hitler had no problem getting the masses to do his bidding, they were merely obeying orders.

It appears a military takeovers is SOP in Thailand.

Thailand’s army just announced a coup. Here are 11 other Thai coups since 1932.
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Message 1520043 - Posted: 23 May 2014, 0:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 1520018.

I was talking about a Total Imposition of Nation Wide Martial Law. Katrina, and other 'small' events, are not relevant.

What caused the imposition of nation wide martial law? Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and declared martial law during the civil war. Just refusing to obey orders will not be enough; they will have to take up arms to avoid becoming another Eddie Slovik. Eisenhower had him shot for refusing to obey orders. It won't be easy to decide if you want to shoot or get shot. Hitler had no problem getting the masses to do his bidding, they were merely obeying orders.It appears a military takeovers is SOP in Thailand.

Just a couple of reply's.

The German people were not obeying Hitler. They agreed with him. "Hitler's Willing Executioners (1996)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Willing_Executioners

Let's see what happens when 'The Generals' enter the Capitol Building, raise a gun in the air, and shout "We are in charge". The laughter will be deafening.
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Message 1520044 - Posted: 23 May 2014, 0:34:07 UTC - in response to Message 1520018.
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Unintentionally repeated myself :(
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Message 1520055 - Posted: 23 May 2014, 0:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 1520044.

Unintentionally repeated myself :(


That happens to me too sometimes... have even quoted myself on at least one occasion - most embarrassing :)

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Message 1520547 - Posted: 24 May 2014, 9:04:36 UTC

I wonder whether the American military will not step in if the current gridlock between the Republicans and Democrats escalates into bloody protests and riots in the streets, and for years the government fails to calm everyone down.

When you have two parties who are so opposed to each other that they refuse to listen to each other or compromise in any way, its just waiting until the army interferes to break the gridlock.

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Message 1520727 - Posted: 24 May 2014, 21:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 1520547.

I wonder whether the American military will not step in if the current gridlock between the Republicans and Democrats escalates into bloody protests and riots in the streets, and for years the government fails to calm everyone down.

When you have two parties who are so opposed to each other that they refuse to listen to each other or compromise in any way, its just waiting until the army interferes to break the gridlock.

Very European thinking.

The American Constitution was set up for Gridlock. Nothing new about the present situation throughout American History.

Have two Federal State Elections (There are no National Elections) coming up the next four years: Entire House of Representatives - Twice, 2/3 Senate, and Federal President.

Maybe things will change.
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Message 1520763 - Posted: 24 May 2014, 23:25:36 UTC - in response to Message 1520727.

The American Constitution was set up for Gridlock. Nothing new about the present situation throughout American History.

Gridlock only if there is not compromise. Our politicians are masters of the sidestep though. Gridlock with no compromise, no problem, write a law (budget sequestration) where no one can be held responsible for the cuts. No coup for sidestepping.


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Message 1520897 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 8:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1520727.

Very European thinking.

The American Constitution was set up for Gridlock. Nothing new about the present situation throughout American History.

Political gridlock maybe, but I doubt the US was designed to accommodate violent protests and riots between the supporters of both parties for years on end.

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Message 1520900 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 8:57:38 UTC - in response to Message 1520897.

Very European thinking.

The American Constitution was set up for Gridlock. Nothing new about the present situation throughout American History.

Political gridlock maybe, but I doubt the US was designed to accommodate violent protests and riots between the supporters of both parties for years on end.

Sure. I see 'The People' marching onto Washington, and being hit with 'Water Canons' and Tear Gas like Europe.

Nothing happening today, is new in the US. You're still seeing America thru European eyes.

We are, and have always been, a chaotic Country.
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Message 1520905 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 9:38:19 UTC - in response to Message 1520900.

Very European thinking.

The American Constitution was set up for Gridlock. Nothing new about the present situation throughout American History.

Political gridlock maybe, but I doubt the US was designed to accommodate violent protests and riots between the supporters of both parties for years on end.

Sure. I see 'The People' marching onto Washington, and being hit with 'Water Canons' and Tear Gas like Europe.

Nothing happening today, is new in the US. You're still seeing America thru European eyes.

We are, and have always been, a chaotic Country.

Oh sure, tear gas and water cannons is how it starts. But what if the riots and protests continue for years? What if they get more and more violent? And what if the government utterly fails to reach a solution? I have yet to see if there isn't going to be some general that steps in to 'save' the country from chaos and indecision.

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Message 1520951 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 15:29:52 UTC - in response to Message 1520897.
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Political gridlock maybe, but I doubt the US was designed to accommodate violent protests and riots between the supporters of both parties for years on end.

US respect the rule of law, Constitution, and the right of the people to peacefully assemble. What would Jesus do?




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Message 1520981 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 17:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 1520951.

Castigate the US for pledging allegiance to a false icon & lecture you on idolatry.
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Message 1521002 - Posted: 25 May 2014, 19:26:22 UTC

BANGKOK—Thailand’s ruling military council stiffened its warnings Sunday against protests ...
The warning came a day before the coup leader, Army Commander Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, was expected to receive the king’s endorsement formalizing his status as head of government.


Head of government, head of state, Commander-in-Chief. Wouldn't it be nice if they were all one person?

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