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Message 1521503 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 5:40:22 UTC - in response to Message 1521485.  

The focus should be on remembering the tragedy and trying to figure out how to stop it happening again.
Some think listening to every phone call and reading every email in the world is the answer.

So no self reflection then.

Perhaps you, in your infinite wisdom, are right; "The Great Satan" should turn to Allah and sharia law. Why should men die so you can drive a car?


Yup. No self reflection at all. How sad.

If you really think that's what it was all about then you really have drunk the Kool Aid.
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Message 1521537 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 9:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 1521406.  

To 'Es99' and 'Мишель':

Your VERY Long posts are an example of what I am saying. Of course you have a compulsion to respond to every word, over, and over, and over again. Then, thinking that after no response, you have won the argument.

Actually (think of this as a conversation over coffee), the other people just 'tune out' these type's.

P.S. - At least HeeeHeeeHeee 97 to 3... is more interesting.

I enjoy responding to those 'long' posts with 'long' posts. Its a chance for me to critically engage with myself and with others and a chance for me to reflect on other peoples opinions and arguments on a given topic. Who knows, I might learn something.

And if not, well then I just practiced my English skills :P
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Message 1521592 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 15:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 1521503.  

Yup. No self reflection at all. How sad.

I have "reflected" and "the religion of peace" sharia law has some very good customs. To get a divorce a man only has to say "I divorce you" three times and he gets to keep all of his stuff. A man can have seven "wives", some "wives" are only for a weekend. Women must stay in the home unless accompanied by a male relative. Yes I have thought about it and it isn't that bad.
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Message 1521662 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 21:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 1521592.  
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Yup. No self reflection at all. How sad.

I have "reflected" and "the religion of peace" sharia law has some very good customs. To get a divorce a man only has to say "I divorce you" three times and he gets to keep all of his stuff. A man can have seven "wives", some "wives" are only for a weekend. Women must stay in the home unless accompanied by a male relative. Yes I have thought about it and it isn't that bad.

It is typical that you have made the attacks at 9/11 all about Christians Vs. Muslims. You posted a pictures of caning in Indonesia. I was not aware that the US was attacked by Indonesia. You say that you are defending the women against bans against driving such as they have in Saudi Arabia. I was not aware that the US was at war with Saudi Arabia. Please don't pretend to me that the US interventions have had anything to do with protecting women's freedoms.

The US was attacked because its foreign policies created the conditions for extremism to thrive. In the case of the Taliban, the US literally funded and supported them. That is what happened. All this "Islam is bad" is just a smokescreen because apparently no one in America can accept that you are not viewed as "the good guys" all over the world because of the way your government behaves abroad.

I know plenty of muslims and plenty of christians and most of them just want a quiet life. I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad and one huge group of people good through nothing but your own prejudice and bias. It offends me. It will make things worse.
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Message 1521665 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 21:21:31 UTC - in response to Message 1521545.  

Yup. No self reflection at all. How sad.


You continuously bang on/insult/criticize/ridicule Christians and now you say self reflection is the answer?

You may have noticed that I do it to bring balance to a conversation when one religion is being touted as somehow better than another. Maybe you are not that observant though. Maybe you see what you want to see.

Just WTH do you think Christianity is?

Just another made up delusion that has far too much influence in law making and politics.

If you want to talk about a death cult, let's just keep destroying everything that makes a country great and you'll begin to see how a real death cult is formed and how bad it can get.

Another one of your beautiful hyperbolic non-sequiturs.
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Message 1521676 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 21:56:34 UTC - in response to Message 1521672.  

Another one of your beautiful hyperbolic non-sequiturs.


Well, let me go ahead and claim "Godwin's law" right now so I can cut off this conversation.

No one has mentioned Hitler yet :/
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Message 1521686 - Posted: 27 May 2014, 22:31:56 UTC

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You may have noticed that I do it to bring balance to a conversation when one religion is being touted as somehow better

Just another made up delusion that has far too much influence in law making and politics.


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Message 1521712 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 0:28:57 UTC - in response to Message 1521662.  

I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.
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Message 1521713 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 0:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 1521712.  

I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.

leaving America what?
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Message 1521719 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 1:02:52 UTC - in response to Message 1521713.  
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I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.

leaving America what?

My mistake. Never mind.
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Message 1521720 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 1:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 1521712.  
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I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.

Batter, where did you get that idea, as nearly as I can tell ES imigrated from Great Britain to Canada, she never lived here so she could not have left. If I am incorrect I hope ES will correct me.
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Message 1521722 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 1:16:34 UTC - in response to Message 1521720.  

I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.

Batter, where did you get that idea, as nearly as I can tell ES imigrated from Great Britain to Canada, she never lived here so she could not have left. If I am incorrect I hope ES will correct me.

Three minutes late and a post short.
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Message 1521775 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 5:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1521720.  

I will take total offence when you decide to label one huge group of people bad ...

Let me "reflect" on it. I do admire you for leaving America, thank you very much.

Batter, where did you get that idea, as nearly as I can tell ES imigrated from Great Britain to Canada, she never lived here so she could not have left. If I am incorrect I hope ES will correct me.

You have it correct, thank you. I just thought maybe he'd left a word out and he was trying to say something else.
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Message 1521788 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 5:28:41 UTC

According to Osama Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda: The US (Remember NOT an Enemy, but an Adversary to Their Cause) is the ONLY Country Capable, and Willing to stop their Cause. The attacks on 911, and killing US Troops, is a tactic to get the US to lose its will, and withdraw. This, they believe, will allow their Victory.

Did they really think this? No one is that stupid. That's like punching a hornets nets to keep them calm.
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Message 1521841 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 7:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 1521752.  

The US was attacked because its foreign policies created the conditions for extremism to thrive.

NEGATIVE!!!

This is total ignorance regarding the motivations of these people. Unless one believes these people are inferior, and don't have their own motivations.

According to Osama Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda: The US (Remember NOT an Enemy, but an Adversary to Their Cause) is the ONLY Country Capable, and Willing to stop their Cause. The attacks on 911, and killing US Troops, is a tactic to get the US to lose its will, and withdraw. This, they believe, will allow their Victory.

If the US did not exist: They would still be killing for their Cause.

Note: Does anyone understand what they are REALLY fighting for? I have found a TOTAL ignorance regarding the reason for this war.

Check your history. The only reason those people are killing for the cause is because America bought them their guns. Osama got his weapons, training, material, organization, etc all because he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan and the Americans liked him for doing that. Then the Russians retreated, America stopped caring about Afghanistan but Osama stayed and kept his guns.

The point is, had the US not taken certain steps, Osama and his group would have never gotten to the point where they were able to set up a global network of terrorists.

Though it must be said that supplying Al Qaeda was just one of the many foreign policy mistakes the US has made in relation to the Middle East. Its blind and unconditional support for Israel and its constant meddling with local governments, often supporting brutal dictators with money and material have done a very good job to make a lot of Muslims in the Middle East hate the US and everything it stands for. And who can blame them?
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Message 1521846 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 7:38:13 UTC - in response to Message 1521788.  

According to Osama Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda: The US (Remember NOT an Enemy, but an Adversary to Their Cause) is the ONLY Country Capable, and Willing to stop their Cause. The attacks on 911, and killing US Troops, is a tactic to get the US to lose its will, and withdraw. This, they believe, will allow their Victory.

Did they really think this? No one is that stupid. That's like punching a hornets nets to keep them calm.

It worked in Vietnam. It worked in Iraq. And it works in Afghanistan. When confronted with a traditional, technologically superior enemy, the best strategy is to avoid full on confrontations and focus on delivering strikes to soft targets. This way, you deny the enemy the chance to declare victory and drawing out the war over a long period of time, significantly increasing the costs for your enemy while keeping costs relatively low for yourself.
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Message 1521909 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 13:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 1521537.  

To 'Es99' and 'Мишель':

Your VERY Long posts are an example of what I am saying. Of course you have a compulsion to respond to every word, over, and over, and over again. Then, thinking that after no response, you have won the argument.

Actually (think of this as a conversation over coffee), the other people just 'tune out' these type's.

P.S. - At least HeeeHeeeHeee 97 to 3... is more interesting.

I enjoy responding to those 'long' posts with 'long' posts. Its a chance for me to critically engage with myself and with others and a chance for me to reflect on other peoples opinions and arguments on a given topic. Who knows, I might learn something.

And if not, well then I just practiced my English skills :P

I agree with Es and Мишель, it's what keeps this a discussion rather than an argument.
And on top of that, if in their reply they didn't respond to all the points made in the post they're replying to, people like Clyde would claim they're skipping over the points they can't answer and try to claim some kind of moral victory from that.
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Message 1521956 - Posted: 28 May 2014, 15:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 1521911.  

WHAT exactly do you think Al Qaeda is fighting for? Not the Tactical Means, but their Strategic Objective.

Hint: Israel does not really matter to them, and they will deal (kill) the PLO and Hamas, after their victory.

They are fighting to re-establish a califat which follows their version of what the Islam supposedly stands for. Essentially their goal is to establish a pan-arabic nation state. As a result, their enemies are essentially all governments, but in particular the secular governments (usually run by dictators) and the governments that are to close with countries like the US. They fight the US because of its constant interference in the Arab world.

And while Israel does perhaps not matter to them, they are anti Semites and they recognize that being anti Israel gets them support in a number of countries and from a large number of people who hate Israel.

Not that it matters. They lack the raw power required to achieve their goals. Guerrilla warfare works great against an over extended enemy who is not even fighting in his own country, but as an offensive measure it is worthless.
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