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Message 1514835 - Posted: 11 May 2014, 21:41:49 UTC - in response to Message 1514811.

hSkepticism, IMV, is a healthy thing. It's easy to be skeptical when wild predictions don't come to be. The darling of the global warming crowd, Al Gore, predicted the N. ice cap would be gone by 2013. That was a year ago and it's still there.

Skepticism means you want to be convinced by scientific evidence or sound logic. Climate skeptics repeatedly ignore the vast majority of scientific finding in favor of cherry picking the results of a tiny amount of often dubious scientific studies to support their claim. Just because you like to call yourself a skeptic doesn't mean you actually are.

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Message 1514846 - Posted: 11 May 2014, 23:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 1514835.
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Skepticism means you want to be convinced by scientific evidence or sound logic. Climate skeptics repeatedly ignore the vast majority of scientific finding in favor of cherry picking the results of a tiny amount of often dubious scientific studies to support their claim.

99 and 44/100% of the people personally can't understand a scientific paper so, like with religion, they believe what they feel not what they know is fact.

As with religion all I know is what I observe. I know a 1 1/2 mile thick sheet of ice stopped flowing in my back yard. How do I know this? Because of the amount of boulders and rocks there wile they are absent 100 miles to the south. So I KNOW FOR A FACT the earth warms and cools in cycles. US are doing a 110% better then we were in way back when. I remember when one could almost walk across the Hudson river on the pollution. Today in the fall tropical fish once again swim there.

It seems to me some people think man is the ultimate cause of everything when in fact they are merely a violent congratulation of vapor strutting around on the stage and in the end signifying nothing. Think don't feel.
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Message 1514865 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 1:20:51 UTC

99 and 44/100% of the people personally can't understand a scientific paper so, like with religion, they believe what they feel not what they know is fact.


I'd put 'it' @ 99.99%.

The Next Civil War in The Cycle: Warmists/Greenies versus FossilFuelies/Nukies.

As during 1861-65, 'it' will be Nasty Bloody Hell.

Believers Versus Believers. 'Fact' Versus Fact'. 'Evidence' Versus 'Evidence'.

Ugliness of Today turning into Epic Gruesomeness. No Fact/Evidence Checks or Peer Reviews Needed.

The 'Method' will be Madness.

Science Be Damned.

fO shO BrOheims.
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Message 1514976 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 12:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 1514846.
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... like with religion, they believe what they feel not what they know is fact.

As with religion all I know is what I observe. I know a 1 1/2 mile thick sheet of ice stopped flowing in my back yard. How do I know this? Because of the amount of boulders and rocks there wile they are absent 100 miles to the south. So I KNOW FOR A FACT the earth warms and cools in cycles...

Very good, only so far.

You can blindly trust in the religion imposed upon you by others. Usually that is helpful for good morals and a good feel-good factor. However, that only helps so far and can ignore the real world around you. Or are real-world calamaties covered by the "wrath of god" or "pestilence" 'get-out' clauses for when 'things happen'?

Meanwhile, for your cycles... Have you any notion of how such cycles happen and how fast?...

You see, if you cared to look, you will see that we have leapt off the present natural cycle and we are instead pushing the entire planet ever more quickly into a whole new uncomfortable world. All previous examples that we look to be rushing into all did not have Man in existence...


We really have overtaken even the worst of what the fire and brimstone of "God's (or The Devil's)" volcanoes can do. In that respect, with our industry, we have become our own god.

You can bang your rocks all you like. You need to look further around you for what is happening today.


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Message 1514977 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 12:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1514976.

Meanwhile, for your cycles... Have you any notion of how such cycles happen and how fast?...

No and nether do you.
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Message 1514978 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 12:38:12 UTC - in response to Message 1514977.
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Meanwhile, for your cycles... Have you any notion of how such cycles happen and how fast?...

No and nether do you.

Go over to CPDN and you can see it all happen before your very eyes.

The hard part is to actually follow enough of the detail to see why what happens... It is all very physical.

The significant quickly changing factor is the amount of pollution that we are adding to our world... Nothing else has changed so significantly in the last 200 years... And that is far far faster than any natural cycles...

The really scary thing about all this is that we have had various scientists accurately predicting all this from as far back as 200 years ago! All that we are doing now is adding ever more fine detail.


We can only go on icing our cake for so long. Reality and the real world continue. Unfortunately, we are very definitely polluting ourselves into hell.

We long left the natural cycle soon after we embarked on our industrial revolution. (Do I score extra points for bad puns? ;-) )


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Message 1514980 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 12:51:06 UTC - in response to Message 1514978.

Meanwhile, for your cycles... Have you any notion of how such cycles happen and how fast?...

No and nether do you.

Go over to CPDN and you can see it all happen before your very eyes.
I can look out the window and can see with my very eyes that the snow has finely melted from one of the coldest winters ever.
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Message 1514984 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 13:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 1514980.

Meanwhile, for your cycles... Have you any notion of how such cycles happen and how fast?...

No and nether do you.

Go over to CPDN and you can see it all happen before your very eyes.
I can look out the window and can see with my very eyes that the snow has finely melted from one of the coldest winters ever.

Very good.

Now... Do you wonder why and how?

Or is it that 'things just (randomly) happen'?


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Message 1515028 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 18:59:40 UTC
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How important is it, really? I see global warming as trivial compared to what is likely to happen sometime soon. That likely scenario has come within minutes at least twice since the 1960's. Perhaps more. Once in 1962 and again in 1980. Then there's 1995. When it happens, and I believe it will, global warming, climate change or whatever will be a moot point as far as living things are concerned. It's not in the forefront of our minds right now, but it should be.

That scenario is nuclear war. We've come so close so many times and all it takes is one crazy or an accident to trigger it. I don't know the outcome, but I don't believe it will be good.

We have more important things to worry about than a warming of the planet. If we don't survive the nuclear threat, there will be no one left to worry about what happens after.

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/issues/accidents/20-mishaps-maybe-caused-nuclear-war.htm
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Message 1515034 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 1514846.

Skepticism means you want to be convinced by scientific evidence or sound logic. Climate skeptics repeatedly ignore the vast majority of scientific finding in favor of cherry picking the results of a tiny amount of often dubious scientific studies to support their claim.

99 and 44/100% of the people personally can't understand a scientific paper so, like with religion, they believe what they feel not what they know is fact.
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So how about you ask someone with a degree in science what they think? I'm betting that someone with say, a physics degree, might have a good idea about how to interpret the science.

Just throwing it out there.
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Message 1515061 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:35:37 UTC - in response to Message 1515034.

Skepticism means you want to be convinced by scientific evidence or sound logic. Climate skeptics repeatedly ignore the vast majority of scientific finding in favor of cherry picking the results of a tiny amount of often dubious scientific studies to support their claim.

99 and 44/100% of the people personally can't understand a scientific paper so, like with religion, they believe what they feel not what they know is fact.
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So how about you ask someone with a degree in science what they think? I'm betting that someone with say, a physics degree, might have a good idea about how to interpret the science.

Just throwing it out there.


Pssshaw! Ask someone who can interpret the science accurately? Why would I do that if it disagrees with my world view and have to change my habits accordingly? Better to remain ignorant and spout a bunch of FUD because I know better than they do! ;-P

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Message 1515066 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:43:21 UTC - in response to Message 1514846.

It seems to me some people think man is the ultimate cause of everything when in fact they are merely a violent congratulation of vapor strutting around on the stage and in the end signifying nothing. Think don't feel.

If you were to actually think, you wouldn't be spouting this drivel. Sure, humans are insignificant individually or on the cosmic whole. But 7 billion of us can cause quite some major impact events to happen at a planetary level. Your assumption that we are irrelevant is a feeling and not the product of evidence based logical thinking.

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Message 1515071 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:46:00 UTC - in response to Message 1515066.

The other side of that coin. ;)

http://www.secureconsulting.net/2007/04/human_arrogance_and_the_pendin.html
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Message 1515073 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 1515071.

The other side of that coin. ;)

http://www.secureconsulting.net/2007/04/human_arrogance_and_the_pendin.html


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So in other words, a standard schmuck with an opinion and not someone qualified to interpret the science accurately.

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Message 1515076 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 1514984.
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Very good.

Now... Do you wonder why and how?

Or is it that 'things just (randomly) happen'?
Intelligent design?

You want to force those you can to spend more and produce less wile those you can't control get rich. I know what irresponsible polluting is; I live in New Jersey and it was once like China is today.

I have two toxic dumps within a few miles of my home. They were deemed too dangerous to dig up and move so they were capped and will be monitored for 150 years. I mentioned what the Hudson river looked like, all rivers by the refineries were polluted 40 years ago, a river even caught fire once.

Today one can fish and even swim in most of those rivers, though some have so much lead in the river bed there will be no fishing or swimming in my lifetime. I know real pollution when I see it and I no longer see it. "Global warming" is not truly pollution that must be stopped NOW at any cost. Once you get China to stop REALLY polluting I'll listen.
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Message 1515077 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 19:57:19 UTC - in response to Message 1515073.

That maybe, but the final comment has merit...

..."Yet another sign of human arrogance and ignorance at play. And, probably a little bit of power struggle thrown in for good measure."
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Message 1515085 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 20:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 1515028.

We have more important things to worry about than a warming of the planet. If we don't survive the nuclear threat, there will be no one left to worry about what happens after.

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/issues/accidents/20-mishaps-maybe-caused-nuclear-war.htm


Hi Jack :)

Ever tried multi-tasking? :)

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Message 1515086 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 20:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 1515073.

So in other words, a standard schmuck with an opinion and not someone qualified to interpret the science accurately.


Even standard schmucks can be intelligent and informed.
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Message 1515092 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 20:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 1515086.
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So in other words, a standard schmuck with an opinion and not someone qualified to interpret the science accurately.


Even standard schmucks can be intelligent and informed.

This one in particular however, is not.

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Message 1515146 - Posted: 12 May 2014, 21:03:48 UTC

7 billion of us


are Worm Food.

Thought HUwOmAn left 'We Are Center of Universe' in 19th Century.

With Climate ROTFLMAO Change, 'We' Believe(Religion), Center of Everything 'is' us. Again. Nope.

Our Pollution is Habitat and Food. Our Infrastructure is Habitat and Food. We are Habitat and Food.

Climate breaks it down and feeds The Vrold.

Might 'look'(data/evidence[ROTFLMAO]) and feel nasty to HUwOmAn, but Nature Gulps 'it' in and redistributtes it back out.

All Natural Like.

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