Even better, do it the Irish way...

...have a wake.

Nobody lives forever, gotta die sometime, so might as well go out with a bang.

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You probably should care because of all the associated problems that go along with meat farming.

For example, most of the problems we are having with anti-biotic resistant diseases are because of anti-biotic use in farming. So when you or someone you love dies from a horrible infection that can't be treated, please remind yourself how delicious that meat was and how much you didn't care how it was raised.

Without the over use of antibiotics, these horrific factory farming practices would not be possible.

Without the use of antibiotics even less people would have access to meat as food. And I would be stuck on some vegetarian diet which tastes like cardboard and is filled with fake meat substitutes.

You've just written off most of the Indian continent. The high meat diet is mostly a western affair as meat is more expensive to produce than vegetables and grains.

Sorry, cooking with meat is a lazy and tasteless affair. I don't miss it and I don't survive on "fake meat substitutes".
You are just showing your ignorance, and I am actually disappointed because I thought you were someone with an understanding of the some of the global problems we face in the world today.

So, if a loved one is dying from some infection that can't be cured because the bacteria is anti biotics resistant, I will grieve and then I will go to a restaurant, order a good piece of steak, a nice glass of wine and offer a toast to the deceased.

I doubt that. I suspect you will want to know why he or she died of something that could have been prevented.

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You don't support labelling because the bible tells you not to. So you want to take the choice away from those who think the bible is not always the best guide to proper and moral living.

Oh bother. It was said;

Also a religious non-Muslim may object to having the animal slaughtered by a Muslim with the requisite Islamic invocations, etc.

I assume Christians would be most affected by this and some are concerned. Are you eating food sacrificed to idols?
I thought yes meat should be labeled for that reason but then upon further revue I found out that IF it is not labeled it becomes a don't ask don't tell situation.

Then you totally missed the animal cruelty side of the debate, which was what I believe the OP was concerned about.

I will repeat myself for the benefit of those just tuning in.

I don't believe the Bible is the unerring word of god but there is some good advice in there.

So all opinions expressed are mine and not necessarily gods.

That's nice. I will put your earlier misogyny down as your own point of view. Good to know (but considering so many of your other posts, not entirely a surprise).

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Then you totally missed the animal cruelty side of the debate, which was what I believe the OP was concerned about.

I considered the cruelty part but what is cruelty to one is just business as usual to another. To single out one cruelty over others has an agenda factor.

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The high meat diet is mostly a western affair as meat is more expensive to produce than vegetables and grains.

As I age I find I do better with lots of fiber but I do enjoy animal protein.

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Hello :) It's me.

I have just completed the fourth week of feeding my family vegetarian food and, um... well... no one has noticed. :) I'm not sure what that says about my cooking but never mind :) no one's dropped dead yet.

As a vegetarian, who does cook meat for others, the thought that someone may have blessed the unfortunate animal for arriving at the abattoir without broken bones or open wounds (after it had been terrified out of its wits being crated up and transported there - let alone the farming practises it had endured prior to that) seems utterly farcical to me.

I WOULD want to know whether I was being dragged into such hypocrisy, so thank you Chris for bringing it to my attention anyway :) and I entirely agree with everything you've said Es. My current goal is drastically reducing dairy products from my diet too. When you've seen and heard the desperation and grief of a cow as her calf is taken from her :( downing a black coffee seems such a small sacrifice to make.

But that's just me :)

Sorry Anniet, I'm a carnivore not a blooming rabbit...

...maybe when E.T arrives & starts feasting on us, I'll moan, until then...

Bacon sarnies
Sausages
Pork chops
Lamb chops
Beef steaks...

...washed down by a nice pint of lager.

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You've just written off most of the Indian continent. The high meat diet is mostly a western affair as meat is more expensive to produce than vegetables and grains.

True, and I sincerely hope that cloning meat will drive the costs of food down, as well as the need for actual animals. But until then, I will continue to include meat in my diet.

Sorry, cooking with meat is a lazy and tasteless affair. I don't miss it and I don't survive on "fake meat substitutes".
You are just showing your ignorance, and I am actually disappointed because I thought you were someone with an understanding of the some of the global problems we face in the world today.

Good for you, but tastes differ and I hate vegetarian food.

And I have to pick my battles. Sure, meat consumption is a problem, I recognize that. But the world has hundreds of other problems as well. I simply cannot care for every problem without turning into a neurotic wreck. Sorry, but meat consumption and the problems it relates to are not high on my list of priority problems. On top of that, I believe that this problem is one that eventually fixes itself. The popularity of meat and the issues relating to animal welfare and human health will result in the creation of alternatives, such as cloning. Just abolishing the consumption of meat is not a desirable outcome.

I doubt that. I suspect you will want to know why he or she died of something that could have been prevented.

Nope, not really. Hasn't happened so far with all the other people that I loved and that died.

Sorry Anniet, I'm a carnivore not a blooming rabbit...

That's okay Sirius :) All the people I love are carnivores and many animals too :) and I will eat meat when it's served to me at a friend's house or when visiting family so as not to cause them to go to any trouble on my behalf.

So in that sense, I'm not a rabbit yet, blooming or otherwise :) I suppose it comes down to the point that if I can't bring myself to kill even one animal or insect, then I shouldn't really be eating any of them.

Sure, meat consumption is a problem, I recognize that. But the world has hundreds of other problems as well. I simply cannot care for every problem without turning into a neurotic wreck. Sorry, but meat consumption and the problems it relates to are not high on my list of priority problems.

Hi Мишель :) Neurotic wreck here :) Without some kind of financial injection (to invest in solar panels for my home for example), or detaching from SETI (nooooooooooooooooooooooo) I have about reached the maximum I can do as an individual to reduce my impact on the planet. (Oh yeah, there is dying of course but I have no immediate plans for that :)) Exploring vegetarian options for myself, not wearing leather, fur etc, all made sense given how much I care for all the creatures we share the planet with.

I would hate things to get to the point that we had no cows or sheep or chickens etc, because everyone had become vegetarian :( so a reduction in consumption and a good quality of life for any animal intended for our tables, alongside a fearfree and painfree death is what I would like to see happen. If someone wanted to "bless" them at the end of that kind of life, then I would see no hypocrisy in it at all.

But that's just my opinion :)

Hope everyone is having a lovely weekend :)

I suppose it comes down to the point that if I can't bring myself to kill even one animal or insect, then I shouldn't really be eating any of them.

Your body kills billions of little creatures every day; most are trying to do you harm but many are innocent. Then there is the silent scream of the carrot; just because they don't cry out doesn't mean they don't suffer when they are ripped from their life support system. All life must consume life to survive.

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One thing vegetarians must ask themselves is, is this natural, because if early humans hadn't learned to eat meat and more importantly cooked meat, then humans would not have developed as we have. We would just be another ape.

One thing vegetarians must ask themselves is, is this natural, because if early humans hadn't learned to eat meat and more importantly cooked meat, then humans would not have developed as we have. We would just be another ape.

Oh definitely - without our ancestors taking in concentrated protein in the form of meat we wouldn't have progressed far. Now though we do know the nutritional composition of most edible food, and there are protein rich alternatives to choose from. Perhaps if farming practises were not as awful as they are, and our consumption of meat was not such a limiting factor to so many other species on the planet, I would do more than just lick my fingers, then wash my hands, after turning my family's lamb chops on the grill. :)

Sorry Anniet, I'm a carnivore not a blooming rabbit...

That's okay Sirius :) All the people I love are carnivores and many animals too :) and I will eat meat when it's served to me at a friend's house or when visiting family so as not to cause them to go to any trouble on my behalf.

So in that sense, I'm not a rabbit yet, blooming or otherwise :) I suppose it comes down to the point that if I can't bring myself to kill even one animal or insect, then I shouldn't really be eating any of them.

Sure, meat consumption is a problem, I recognize that. But the world has hundreds of other problems as well. I simply cannot care for every problem without turning into a neurotic wreck. Sorry, but meat consumption and the problems it relates to are not high on my list of priority problems.

Hi Мишель :) Neurotic wreck here :) Without some kind of financial injection (to invest in solar panels for my home for example), or detaching from SETI (nooooooooooooooooooooooo) I have about reached the maximum I can do as an individual to reduce my impact on the planet. (Oh yeah, there is dying of course but I have no immediate plans for that :)) Exploring vegetarian options for myself, not wearing leather, fur etc, all made sense given how much I care for all the creatures we share the planet with.

I would hate things to get to the point that we had no cows or sheep or chickens etc, because everyone had become vegetarian :( so a reduction in consumption and a good quality of life for any animal intended for our tables, alongside a fearfree and painfree death is what I would like to see happen. If someone wanted to "bless" them at the end of that kind of life, then I would see no hypocrisy in it at all.

But that's just my opinion :)

Hope everyone is having a lovely weekend :)

I think it is important to do what you feel you can. Even cutting down on the meat you eat rather than cutting it out altogether is better than nothing.

I had to keep eating fish because it was just too difficult to get a balanced diet otherwise. Ideally I wouldn't eat fish either, but most fish have better quality of lives than the animals in farms.

Sadly I had to give up eating squid and octopus recently when I found out just how intelligent they are. Anything that can open a jar should not be dinner.

The terrible ability of the octopus!

Goodbye Calamari. :'(

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I had to keep eating fish because it was just too difficult to get a balanced diet otherwise. Ideally I wouldn't eat fish either, but most fish have better quality of lives than the animals in farms.

Now see, thats something I try to keep to a minimum. I consider human fish consumption a direct threat on our survival so I have cut back eating fish to an absolute minimum. Which is to bad because I love Sushi...

For quite some time man has been concerned about eating animals even when it was the only way to survive. Myth is full of stories of hunters honoring and thanking the animals for providing food. The Future Farmers of America have children raise a calf from birth to adulthood and then sell it for slaughter. They even display the adults for judging before selling them. I thought this was terrible as I ate my cheeseburger.

What would you do if your home and grain storage were infested with rats? Remember rats are furry thinking beings. I would get cats, as our ancestors did, to eliminate them. Cats are humane killers correct?

As for the now cruel religious slaughter of animals is, at the time it was the most humane way to slaughter. They didn't have stunning techniques as we do today.

Genesis 9:4
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall you not eat.

In other words don't start cutting off parts until the animal has bled out and is dead.

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Sadly I had to give up eating squid and octopus recently when I found out just how intelligent they are. Anything that can open a jar should not be dinner.

The terrible ability of the octopus!

Goodbye Calamari. :'(

They're also amongst the most devoted mothers on the planet.

I had to keep eating fish because it was just too difficult to get a balanced diet otherwise. Ideally I wouldn't eat fish either, but most fish have better quality of lives than the animals in farms.

Now see, thats something I try to keep to a minimum. I consider human fish consumption a direct threat on our survival so I have cut back eating fish to an absolute minimum. Which is to bad because I love Sushi...

Agreed that human fish consumption is becoming a huge problem. Fish has to be sustainable and some species have been so over fished that we should not be eating them at all.

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Sadly I had to give up eating squid and octopus recently when I found out just how intelligent they are. Anything that can open a jar should not be dinner.

The terrible ability of the octopus!

Goodbye Calamari. :'(

They're also amongst the most devoted mothers on the planet.

I have become a huge octopus fan.

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They're also amongst the most devoted mothers on the planet.

The mother will protect her 56,000 eggs for six months without leaving them even to eat. When they hatch she will with her dying breath blow them out of the cave and then she dies. Out of the 56,000 that hatch two or three make it to adulthood. As for giving it up for the species the male praying mantis is eaten by the female during reproduction.

For true cruelty take those who eat dogs. They torture dogs to death by slow hanging. They say the adrenaline released makes the meat tender.

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They're also amongst the most devoted mothers on the planet.

The mother will protect her 56,000 eggs for six months without leaving them even to eat. When they hatch she will with her dying breath blow them out of the cave and then she dies. Out of the 56,000 that hatch two or three make it to adulthood. As for giving it up for the species the male praying mantis is eaten by the female during reproduction.

For true cruelty take those who eat dogs. They torture dogs to death by slow hanging. They say the adrenaline released makes the meat tender.

:( still can't get my head round the fact that they eat dogs in Switzerland

edit:(doesn't mean I can get my head round everywhere else they're eaten though either)