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Message 1513641 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 12:16:43 UTC
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Message 1513649 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 1513641.
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Halal food

So just what is your problem ??

It's not like being Halal means that some sort of secret sauce has been added and there is no way you could tell if your Sunday leg of lamb had been slaughtered to Halal rules or not.

To a non Muslim it makes not a smidgeon of difference. Why do people persist in pushing this panic stricken fear of the unknown ???

Would you have bothered to post the link under such a dire thread title if it turned out that the meat was Kosher killed instead ? There's b*gger all difference between the two methods.

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EDIT: Shouldn't this thread be in the Politics forum ?

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Message 1513650 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:14:15 UTC - in response to Message 1513649.

+1

87% of my customer base are Muslim and their kitchens are spotless. Many of the women take pride in how clean they keep their homes.

I cannot say the same for quite a few white homes...

...many a time I had to wipe my boots on the way out after a delivery before entering the cab as I did not want it contaminated...

...doesn't say a lot for us as a race does it?

BTW, I'm a meat eater & I can't find any difference...

...cooked food is just that... cooked food!
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Message 1513651 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:25:17 UTC

Zabiha, and the Jewish practice, known as Shechita, are both very similar. If it doesn't bother people then fine. If it does, the the public have a right to know how the meat they choose to eat is killed.

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Message 1513652 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:30:42 UTC - in response to Message 1513651.
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Zabiha, and the Jewish practice, known as Shechita, are both very similar. If it doesn't bother people then fine. If it does, the the public have a right to know how the meat they choose to eat is killed.


Why?

I go to a restaurant & order a meal. I want to sit down & enjoy the food & the company. Why do I need to know how it was killed?

BTW, I agree with T.A. this is a political topic so what is it doing in the Café?
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Message 1513654 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:43:46 UTC
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I disagree.

In my point of view it fits here very well.
In these days people have the right to get informed.
Who cares about it is a different story.

It wouldn`t get the attention it deserves at politics imho.
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Message 1513655 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1513654.

Each has their own opinion, worthy as it may be, but this is political as it is homing in on two specific races/religions

There have been many cases in the past several years regarding our own food standards, where's the mention of them?
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Message 1513656 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:51:38 UTC

Since when is humanity a poltical topic ?

Feel free to start your own thread.
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Message 1513658 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 13:55:19 UTC - in response to Message 1513656.

Where's the humanity in targeting two specific ways of killing when our own are despicable?

The post above yours stated...

"Each has an opinion, worthy as it may be"

Either food for the Café or politics, the posts made so far are entitled to be in either, so what's your problem?
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Message 1513666 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 14:38:28 UTC - in response to Message 1513651.

Zabiha, and the Jewish practice, known as Shechita, are both very similar. If it doesn't bother people then fine. If it does, the the public have a right to know how the meat they choose to eat is killed.

You did not answer my question so I'll repeat it.

Would you have bothered to post the link under such a dire thread title if it turned out that the meat was Kosher killed instead ?

And I'll add. Do you think the public's "right to know" extends to food prepared according to the tenets of all religions or just the one you have a bee in your bonnet about ?

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Message 1513671 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 15:02:32 UTC - in response to Message 1513649.
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To a non Muslim it makes not a smidgeon of difference.


Not true. Halal slaughtering involves cutting the animal's throat and letting it bleed out while conscious, instead of using a compressed-air bolt to the head or otherwise stunning the animal beforehand into unconsciousness. There is some controversy around this as to whether the animal suffers so some people may not want to eat it.

Also a religious non-Muslim may object to having the animal slaughtered by a Muslim with the requisite Islamic invocations, etc. (also required for the meat to be deemed Halal.) Doesn't make any difference to me (I only eat chicken and fish anyways) but it may to some.

(But I agree this thread would be a better fit in Politics.)

Edit: Forgot one thing... for those who like to eat mammals: during the Mad Cow scare when BSE-tainted beef was being discovered, Halal meat was actually safer, because the bolt method dislodges possibly infected neural tissue into the animal's bloodstream, which circulates and can contaminate the entire animal with prions in seconds. So, it can also be a positive benefit to have Halal meat properly noted should this happen again.
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Message 1513692 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 17:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1513651.

Zabiha, and the Jewish practice, known as Shechita, are both very similar. If it doesn't bother people then fine. If it does, the the public have a right to know how the meat they choose to eat is killed.

From the looks of your link the only difference is that a prayer is said over the animal before its killed.

Personally I haven't eaten meat for over 25 years because of the incredibly farming practices that torture the animals for their entire lives.

Anyone who eats meat at all is perpetuating a terrible industry that is contributing to animal suffering, over use of antibiotics and climate change. Whether a prayer is said over the animal at the end seems to me to be trivial in the general scheme of things.

Do you eat chicken? Most chickens are bred to mature in about a year, they grow so quickly that their legs cannot support them and they end up crippled and suffering. Chickens raised in cages are stacked up so that other chickens are defecating on the chickens below causing burns on them. If you look at the chicken in the supermarket you can sometimes see these burns.

Pigs too are often raised in tiny pens. The female pig used for breeding often spends days strapped down so that her piglets can suckle at will. This is incredibly cruel.

Cows on Factory Farms

So anyone who claims to be an animal lover needs to give up eating meat or at least ensure that the animals have been ethically raised.
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Message 1513695 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 17:12:46 UTC

Sorry, but meat is generally to delicious for me to care how its raised.

I do hope that cloning meat becomes safe enough and available soon though. Seems to me that cloned meat is generally less harmful to animals.

I also dont care if my meat is halal or not. Meat is meat, I only care how it tastes.

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Message 1513708 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 17:47:44 UTC - in response to Message 1513649.
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Would you have bothered to post the link under such a dire thread title if it turned out that the meat was Kosher killed instead ?
Kosher is proudly labeled as such and sells for a premium.

I was against not labeling until I asked Jesus what he would do.
1 Corinthians 10:27/28
If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.
But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience.
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Message 1513722 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 18:13:14 UTC

Anyone who has eaten hunted game meat knows the difference between a clean kill meat and one that was wounded and panicked before dying. I don’t like Kosher or Halal meats. I can taste the panic. Yukk!
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Message 1513724 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 18:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 1513708.


Would you have bothered to post the link under such a dire thread title if it turned out that the meat was Kosher killed instead ?
Kosher is proudly labeled as such and sells for a premium.

I was against not labeling until I asked Jesus what he would do.
1 Corinthians 10:27/28
If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.
But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience.

Seriously??

You are against labelling because you believe in the bible and you think everyone else should abide by your rules?
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Message 1513731 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 18:21:09 UTC - in response to Message 1513695.

Sorry, but meat is generally to delicious for me to care how its raised.

I do hope that cloning meat becomes safe enough and available soon though. Seems to me that cloned meat is generally less harmful to animals.

I also dont care if my meat is halal or not. Meat is meat, I only care how it tastes.

You probably should care because of all the associated problems that go along with meat farming.

For example, most of the problems we are having with anti-biotic resistant diseases are because of anti-biotic use in farming. So when you or someone you love dies from a horrible infection that can't be treated, please remind yourself how delicious that meat was and how much you didn't care how it was raised.

Without the over use of antibiotics, these horrific factory farming practices would not be possible.
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Message 1513735 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 18:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 1513724.
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Seriously??

Seriously; knee jerk reaction much? How do you get I want everyone to abide by my rules? I don't believe the Bible is the unerring word of god but there is some good advice in there.

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman.
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Message 1513756 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 19:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 1513735.


Seriously??

Seriously; knee jerk reaction much? How do you get I want everyone to abide by my rules? I don't believe the Bible is the unerring word of god but there is some good advice in there.

You don't support labelling because the bible tells you not to. So you want to take the choice away from those who think the bible is not always the best guide to proper and moral living.

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman.

The bible is not always the best guide to proper and moral living, and has been over used to try to keep intelligent and independent women in their place.

Its a shame you need to fall back on insults and a terrible book to make your point. I guess free thinking isn't one of your strengths.

You can quote all offensive bits of the bible you want, it just makes me realise what an unpleasant novel it is and that is has no place in guiding thought and behaviour in the civilised world.
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Message 1513763 - Posted: 8 May 2014, 19:23:38 UTC - in response to Message 1513735.

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman.


3 little piggies for you to learn...

1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

Colossians 3:19
Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
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