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Message 1502647 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 13:05:47 UTC
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That's true. Unfortunately money creates the biggest mouths on our tiny planet and it ain't always the best advice we get from these mouths:(
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Message 1502648 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 13:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 1502644.  
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So far, the only People I would allow are:

Jesus of Nazareth and Nelson Mandela.

Both forgave their enemies.
But only one said to turn the other cheek and to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I'm not saying Jesus was god but his advice helped me ace the personality part of tests for a job.

That's true. Unfortunately money creates the biggest mouths on our tiny planet and it ain't always the best advice we get from these mouths:(
Jesus said; For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, ...

BTW Bill is back at MS and Win 8.1 "Metro" is becoming more and acting like a part of a desktop OS with the last MS update.
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Message 1502666 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 14:39:12 UTC - in response to Message 1502664.  


Didn't Mandela "turn the other cheek" and DID "unto others as you would have them do unto you" after his release?

Mandela was a master politician with strange bedfellows.

I wonder if Samsung was behind this picture, like it was the Obama-Big Poppi selfie?

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Message 1502702 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 15:53:35 UTC

Why does the person who you want to speak for humanities sake have to be one that went through hell and forgive his tormentors? Why not people who for example have helped eradicate certain diseases almost single handily? Surely such people are excellent examples of human generosity and kindness towards other human beings and excellent examples of what the human race is capable of.
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Message 1502732 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 16:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 1502682.  


What exactly did Mandela do after his release you don't like.

Nothing, he did everything right. Why do you infer otherwise?
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Message 1502789 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 18:23:17 UTC

Why would we look for solutions in one person when one person did not create the problems?

You want to fix things make sure the people you do put in charge are representative of the people i.e. not all rich white men. Bar anyone with psychopathic tendencies from any position of power. Ensure that those in charge can be removed easily and that they know how to listen to experts.

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.
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Message 1502810 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 18:53:44 UTC

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.


Good point Esmé, we have to start with the children.
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Message 1502817 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 18:59:15 UTC - in response to Message 1502810.  

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.


Good point Esmé, we have to start with the children.

Or recognise that most adults in large groups behave like children.
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Message 1502820 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 19:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 1502817.  

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.


Good point Esmé, we have to start with the children.

Or recognise that most adults in large groups behave like children.



You have to keep the kid within you though:) But you're right, too many adults act childish.
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Message 1502822 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 19:03:38 UTC - in response to Message 1502820.  

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.


Good point Esmé, we have to start with the children.

Or recognise that most adults in large groups behave like children.



You have to keep the kid within you though:) But you're right, too many adults act childish.

I look forward to a world with more cutting and sticking, and where bad behaviour gets rewarded with a time out.
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Message 1502837 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 19:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 1502822.  

Personally I think we should chose all our leaders from elementary school teachers.


Good point Esmé, we have to start with the children.

Or recognise that most adults in large groups behave like children.



You have to keep the kid within you though:) But you're right, too many adults act childish.

I look forward to a world with more cutting and sticking, and where bad behaviour gets rewarded with a time out.


A time out that someone should give. Society comes to mind now... You can give yourself a time out too though when you're a strong person:)
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Message 1502840 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 19:29:11 UTC - in response to Message 1502645.  

I do, or i will once 'the device' is completed. Bwa ha ha ha!

Seriously though, how about Bill Gates?
*Gasp*
I know he's responsible for the existence of Microsoft and Windows, but he also runs the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, into which he personally has put over $28 billion.
On balance, this makes him a good man.

Very definitely not.

My suspicions are that he is 'giving away' an insignificant 'token' of his wealth for any/all of:

    # For tax reasons;
    # To wield power/influence in the same way that governments do in giving grants and 'aid';
    # To buy his way into heaven;
    # To look good for his wife;
    # To reduce the negative press against him;
    # As an experiment to see what it might feel like.


... And all at our expense and continued unnecessary expense...


Noone with acceptable morals becomes the supposed most 'wealthy' on earth...

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Message 1502866 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 20:18:46 UTC

The problem I faced when wanting to throw some names into the pot for this thread became more and more evident when I tried to pick someone that would, in fact, represent all humans. Because there is no global mentality present, it is impossible to please the majority by making a choice. (This is not to written to close the door on everyone's choices here, this is just the problem I faced when wanting to participate in this thread). By that I mean the world is still based on the desires of countries and the people of those said countries. Example: The United States and Russia or Iraq or Iran or....uh....hmm: The United States seems to be not so good bedfellows with quite a few other nations out yonder, so a choice from there would not be a good choice. Let alone the political in-fighting within the US...If a Dem gets handed the opportunity the backlash from the Righties would be ridiculous and vise versa.

My original choice would have been the Dalai Lama, a religious leader who would not be the choice for atheists as well as all the other religions out there. And then their would be the Chinese untiring opposition to that choice.

Point being: I don't think there would ever be a choice that would even come close to making the majority of the human civilization happy at this point. Perhaps a council of people?
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Message 1502873 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 20:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 1502840.  

My suspicions are that he is 'giving away' an insignificant 'token' of his wealth for any/all of:

    # For tax reasons;
    # To wield power/influence in the same way that governments do in giving grants and 'aid';
    # To buy his way into heaven;
    # To look good for his wife;
    # To reduce the negative press against him;
    # As an experiment to see what it might feel like.


... And all at our expense and continued unnecessary expense...


Sorry dude, but that is just plain false. Bill Gates has repeatedly stated that the idea is to give away about 95% of their wealth before their death. Given that he has donated already 28 billion and is worth about 76 billion it can hardly be said that he isn't serious about his philanthropic efforts or that they are just a way to stroke his ego/tax reasons or anything like that.

Besides that, he lobbies governments to spend more on poverty reduction and aid programs and one cannot deny the fact that his money helped wipe out a number of infectious diseases in developing countries.


Noone with acceptable morals becomes the supposed most 'wealthy' on earth...

A bit of an over generalization. Not all people who became rich did so by lying and stealing their way to the top. Some actually just got lucky or came up with a brilliant idea and turned that into a successful business.
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Message 1502877 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 20:29:41 UTC

came up with a brilliant idea and turned that into a successful business.


Like my grandpa, he had 6 factories. Built up everything himself. Really proud of him although he (still) has a very hard character.
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Message 1502888 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 20:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 1502866.  

The problem I faced when wanting to throw some names into the pot for this thread became more and more evident when I tried to pick someone that would, in fact, represent all humans. Because there is no global mentality present, it is impossible to please the majority by making a choice. (This is not to written to close the door on everyone's choices here, this is just the problem I faced when wanting to participate in this thread). By that I mean the world is still based on the desires of countries and the people of those said countries. Example: The United States and Russia or Iraq or Iran or....uh....hmm: The United States seems to be not so good bedfellows with quite a few other nations out yonder, so a choice from there would not be a good choice. Let alone the political in-fighting within the US...If a Dem gets handed the opportunity the backlash from the Righties would be ridiculous and vise versa.

My original choice would have been the Dalai Lama, a religious leader who would not be the choice for atheists as well as all the other religions out there. And then their would be the Chinese untiring opposition to that choice.

Point being: I don't think there would ever be a choice that would even come close to making the majority of the human civilization happy at this point. Perhaps a council of people?


BINGO!!!

No matter who might be chosen, others would not like their religion, politics, etc.

The only way around this would be for all approx. 7 Billion of us to each speak for ourselves. It is the only way for everyone's viewpoints and beliefs to be respected.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1502904 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 21:41:19 UTC - in response to Message 1502877.  
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Like my grandpa, he had 6 factories. Built up everything himself.

Obama said ... if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own... . He was correct.

Who should speak for the Earth? We can't agree on who should be elected dog catcher. Though some have united vastly differing ideas and people regionally. Tito and Gandhi come to mind. After their deaths it was back to business as usual. After the US revolution George Washington was unanimously elected the first President of the United States (1789-1797). People like these are as close as we will ever come.
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Message 1502961 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 0:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 1502873.  
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My suspicions are that he is 'giving away' an insignificant 'token' of his wealth for any/all of:

    # For tax reasons;
    # To wield power/influence in the same way that governments do in giving grants and 'aid';
    # To buy his way into heaven;
    # To look good for his wife;
    # To reduce the negative press against him;
    # As an experiment to see what it might feel like.


... And all at our expense and continued unnecessary expense...


Sorry dude, but that is just plain false. Bill Gates has repeatedly stated that the idea is to give away about 95% of their wealth before their death. Given that he has donated already 28 billion and is worth about 76 billion it can hardly be said that he isn't serious about his philanthropic efforts or that they are just a way to stroke his ego/tax reasons or anything like that.

Besides that, he lobbies governments to spend more on poverty reduction and aid programs and one cannot deny the fact that his money helped wipe out a number of infectious diseases in developing countries.

Thanks for that: Conceded.

Although from past history and for leopards normally not changing their spots: I cannot help but be very suspicious... Perhaps it is mainly a game of buying himself into heaven and also into the history books...


Noone with acceptable morals becomes the supposed most 'wealthy' on earth...

A bit of an over generalization. Not all people who became rich did so by lying and stealing their way to the top. Some actually just got lucky or came up with a brilliant idea and turned that into a successful business.

Unfortunately, our present systems of politics and business appear to require a game of dirty tricks and worse to out-dirty the competition :-( All very uncooperative expensive for everyone else. Just take a look at the negative Marketing perpetrated by some of the biggest and richest...

Those that rise above the others in business by honest business are a rare and beautiful and worthwhile rare breed.


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Message 1502966 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 0:22:19 UTC - in response to Message 1502630.  

Einstein. I'd let Einstein speak for the world.

He can't anymore now...

Yet... He still does:


E = m c^2


and...


Quantum Theory



All completely non-political and for EVERYONE.


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Message 1502979 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 0:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 1502961.  

Perhaps it is mainly a game of buying himself into heaven and also into the history books...

If one buys his name into history by doing good with their wealth I ask is that bad?
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