http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPtiEqMrLQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Eu_6x7RkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ureQblDiJwY

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Sen. John McCain said US should take Ukraine into NATO now;
[quote]“ We should take them into NATO,” McCain said on Don Imus’ show when asked about how to handle Ukraine. “We should restore the missile defense systems that we canceled in the Czech Republic and Poland.”

I just saw a video clip of their arrival in Poland, with starched BDUs and burgundy berets. No jump, shouldered weapons, I'm bummed it was just a parade.

Some time ago Russia was against a Missile defense system that NATO planned in Poland. Even if that same defense system would bennefit even some of Russias western borders.

And even with the knowledge of the placement of the defence system did Russia very upset now your Senator suggests it would be a good idea to place it even closer to Russia without even consulting them.

Now I understand better why Russia is upset.

There was a partnership for peace or what it was called that was ment to help out in situations like this and getting closer connections with east and west.
Talk to people first!!

I always said Sweden should get an missile defense system for ICBM's and such by our own since there in a close WW3 situation there will be fly-over Sweden missiles that we don't won't here.

The foundation of the above reasoning is very sad.

TRuEQ believes that Leader's, People's, Culture's, Country's, live-in and see the same world as he does.

One must see the world as Putin does. Western Europe's Reasoning, Culture, Tolerance, etc., does not apply to Putin. His motivation is not Theirs.

I know they don't see the world as I do, but we do see the same world.
I also know that NATO want Sweden to be part of it as all the other countries surrounding Sweden already are.
This crime incident has made Swedish people in general to become more determend that we shall be our own souvereign state.

I am sure Putin and other leaders are busy in dealing with all that happens now. We in Sweden are also affected and aware that there is a military buildup around us.

WOW!!!
The Ukraine Army will be approaching the Gates of Moscow soon!!!

It in the future, CLYDE :) :) :)
Those sections of the video, on which indicates "rus" - are not informative! Russian shows you a videos from the positions of criminals! They were filmed by russian and pro-russian violators, who escaped when arriving Ukrainian commandos. Bring to your attention another video of this operation, from our side!
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDsQhOTOOXs
All are calm and confident... snr. says the final instructions... emphasizes that can be there women and children, because we are fighting only against terrorists and separatists, and not with the local people... makes the remark in order to have raised Ukrainian flag on the armored vehicle, in order to was visible that it is - Ukrainian special forces, rather than the USA or Israel... :)
As a result..., illegal and antisocial elements from their "checkpoint" - in a panic are fleeing... have even forgotten take home communistic red flag! From our side - wounded one soldier... he is accompanied by on aboard helicopter! Russian criminals escaped, from the bushes they film video... Commands for their complete destruction - not received!
We are a relatively are humane and we think they come to their senses!

So, army with heavy military vehicles was used indeed. Thanks for confirmation video.

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Public Swedish news.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18779173.ab

Most likely the self-appointed mayor and people militia commander in Slovjansk, Vyacheslav Ponomarev is responsible for this.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/vart-svar-kommer-vara-att-vi-skjuter-skarpt/

Public Swedish news.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18779173.ab

I hope, that you begin to understand, with whom we are are dealing!
It's even the not terrorists, it is - a rabble of various waste of society and conduct negotiations with them not possible!
They must be exterminated, like a colony inhabited by "Skinnies",allies of the arachnids from "Starship Troopers"! I already wrote about this here before...
Maybe there all "are infected"! I don't know!
Already are beaten children,simple so..., read (on the ukrainian) http://www.5.ua/component/k2/item/382358-pid-slov-ianskom-separatysty-pobyly-ditei-oda
or read (in russian) http://directpress.ru/v-ukraine/39767-separatisty-pod-slavyanskom-izbili-detej
Now Slavyansk - completely surrounded by troops ("quarantine" from normal society)! We'll wait ... :(

Public Swedish news.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18779173.ab

I hope, that you begin to understand, with whom we are are dealing!
It's not even the terrorists, it is - a rabble of various waste of society and conduct negotiations with them not possible!
They must be exterminated, like a colony inhabited by "Skinnies",allies of the Arachnids from "Starship Troopers"! I already wrote about this here before...
Maybe there all "are infected"! I do not know!

I wish you luck.

And OSCE already stated that no its monitors were detained.
Moreover, detained are representatives of foreign military forces. Hence, attempt of espionage was conducted under name of OSCE as a cover. Real OSCE monitors should come into Slavjansk later and in different number.

Anti-government activists in Slavyansk have detained military observers who had been traveling with the OSCE mission. The OSCE dismissed the claim of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry that its mission has been detained in Slavyansk.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) on Friday said that an international military mission has been detained in eastern Ukrainian Donetsk region but the group is not connected to the OSCE observers.

The detained team is "not OSCE monitors" but was sent by OSCE member states in accordance with the 2011 Vienna Document on military transparency, the organization explained on Twitter.

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For non Swedish readers:
The group includes eight people from the OSCE says Tatyana Baeva, press spokesman for the OSCE to SVT. That's besides the Swedish officer four Germans, a Dane, a Czech and a Pole. They were unarmed but uniformed and escorted by five Ukrainian servicemen.
They where then sent to Slovjansk.

Public Swedish news.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18779173.ab

I hope, that you begin to understand, with whom we are are dealing!
It's not even the terrorists, it is - a rabble of various waste of society and conduct negotiations with them not possible!
They must be exterminated, like a colony inhabited by "Skinnies",allies of the Arachnids from "Starship Troopers"! I already wrote about this here before...
Maybe there all "are infected"! I do not know!

I wish you luck.

Do you wish him luck in killing own compatriots? Well, go on...

I must note that this thread brightly shows whole intolerance that accumulated in different parts of the world. Here we have at least 2 bright representatives: zombied participant from Ukraine and trolling constantly american who just had nothing to add to discussion besides void insults.
Unfortunately, looking into comments to all posted videos that surround this situation on Ukraine one should say that not only these 2 countries are drown deeply into intolerance. Russian comments on videos mostly unquotable too....

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And regarding situation - there are 2 dates when I would expect further escalation.
9 May (celebration of WW2) and 11 May (date of referendum in Donetsk area).
Will see how all this will turn out after next week...

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Another interview with another candidate in presidents - Tsarev:
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/04/25/tsarev/
Compare his position with position of Tigipko (that interview I posted before).
Would be interesting to read interview with leading for now (by polls) candidate - Poroshenko...

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I must note that this thread brightly shows whole intolerance that accumulated in different parts of the world. Here we have at least 2 bright representatives: zombied participant from Ukraine and trolling constantly american who just had nothing to add to discussion besides void insults.
Unfortunately, looking into comments to all posted videos that surround this situation on Ukraine one should say that not only these 2 countries are drown deeply into intolerance. Russian comments on videos mostly unquotable too....

The problem with international incidents is that you need a cooling-off period. But each side has (or thinks they have) a reason to escalate more, until the other side backs down. That usually leads to various forms of disasters. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that the other side wants a fight.

In domestic situations, you have a government that can crack down on the participants to get them to stand down. We have that in the U.S. in labor disputes, where the Taft-Hartley Act can be invoked to cause unions to delay a strike for a period of time, so that the sides can negotiate in a calmer atmosphere. But there is no organization (certainly not the U.N.) that can do that in international situations. I hope the two sides can calm down on their own here.

In fact, I don't know why the U.S. is involved at all. It may make the Europeans feel good to know that they have our backing, but that does not necessarily improve the chances for a settlement (but good thing McCain is not president, though I doubt you can use carriers in the Black Sea anyway).

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And regarding situation - there are 2 dates when I would expect further escalation.
9 May (celebration of WW2) and 11 May (date of referendum in Donetsk area).
Will see how all this will turn out after next week...

There is a presidential election 25 May 2014 in Ucraine.
So why having a "referendum" in Donetsk area before that?

The problem with international incidents is that you need a cooling-off period. But each side has (or thinks they have) a reason to escalate more, until the other side backs down. That usually leads to various forms of disasters. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that the other side wants a fight.

Perhaps so. Well, I designated next probable "checkpoints", they little than week ahead. Will see how this will evolve...

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And regarding situation - there are 2 dates when I would expect further escalation.
9 May (celebration of WW2) and 11 May (date of referendum in Donetsk area).
Will see how all this will turn out after next week...

There is a presidential election 25 May 2014 in Ucraine.
So why having a "referendum" in Donetsk area before that?

Because part of population treats current interim government as illegal one (in fact they are) and will boycott president elections. Instead they declared "Donetsk republic" and want to carry referendum there about independency. Hence all those recent builds seizures and army moved against own peoples by Kiev.
In short - civil war.
Date of that referendum is 11 May. Hence one of sides can escalate confict near that date. 25 May is third checkpoint but before they pass first two no sense to talk about that one.

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And regarding situation - there are 2 dates when I would expect further escalation.
9 May (celebration of WW2) and 11 May (date of referendum in Donetsk area).
Will see how all this will turn out after next week...

There is a presidential election 25 May 2014 in Ucraine.
So why having a "referendum" in Donetsk area before that?

Because part of population treats current interim government as illegal one (in fact they are) and will boycott president elections. Instead they declared "Donetsk republic" and want to carry referendum there about independency. Hence all those recent builds seizures and army moved against own peoples by Kiev.
In short - civil war.
Date of that referendum is 11 May. Hence one of sides can escalate confict near that date. 25 May is third checkpoint but before they pass first two no sense to talk about that one.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
The interim government will be substituted by Ucrainian peoples votes.
Having "referendums" after that may would be more accepted and understable.

They need to have a referendum before a national elections. If they wait, then the election (Nation wide) will be recognized as legal and their push to become either independent or part of Russia will have less support (or even illegal) to use their own words.

Why do we care? We signed a treaty to protect Ukraine if they surrendered their nuclear weapons and to help protect their borders. (Not going to happen with this President.) Just like we signed a treaty to protect Japan from China. Or Taiwan. (unfortunately for Ukraine, we don't get any products from there so most Americans could care less) Good thing McCain not president? Very doubtful on that. At this point, anyone but Obama would be better. No one believes him. Everyone knows he has no spine. Putin respect (or if not respect then will hesitate against) Strength not weakness Carriers don't need to enter the Black Sea . There has been one parked in the Aegean since March. That 600 miles to Crimea as the crow flights and well within the 2000 radius of the Superhornet( F18). Then there is Turkey, who has already said if anything happens to the Ethic Tartars they will go in.

Why should we care? Because this tells the rest of the world they can do what they want and all they are going to get is a stern lecture. When the Bully starts to beat you, you don't try to reason with him, you keep swinging at him till he decides it's not worth the bother and moves on to someone else. If you bust his nose in the process, he's going to think twice next time.

I wonder what the Georgians are thinking during all this time? If Putin moved all these troops down to the Ukraine border...Who left guarding Abkhazia and South Ossetia? hmm...just a thought.....

I've been otherwise preoccupied the last couple of days, but a catch up on how things are going over there only has me more convinced that Vlad wants to provoke WWIII. :-(

Russian jets causing incidents,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10789605/Ukraine-crisis-Russian-jets-fly-into-Ukranian-airspace.html

http://www.news.com.au/world/dutch-and-british-jets-scrambled-to-intercept-russian-fighters-after-they-approached-their-airspace/story-fndir2ev-1226894685938

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/04/russian-aircraft-violated-ukraine-airspace-2014425221330275125.html

Vald reckons the internet is a ‘CIA project’.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-president-vladimir-putin-reckons-the-internet-is-a-cia-project/story-fnh81p7g-1226895614751

Other bits,

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-accuses-russia-of-seeking-third-world-war/story-fnh81p7g-1226896436027

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27162941

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10789354/West-threatens-new-Russia-sanctions-as-Kiev-warns-of-world-war-three.html

I left out the U.S. based news links in case I get accused of government propaganda (even though they basically say the same thing and I couldn't see any government propaganda in them, but....)

And just other reason why Russian business inside Russia is a risky business,

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/vkontakte-ceo-pavel-durov-quits-steps-down-and-flees-country/story-fn5lic6c-1226894607194

Why does most of world wonder why "Russia's business men keep their money overseas?" (along with certain other types which arn't, "businessmen")

Cheers.