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Message 1505666 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 17:00:06 UTC - in response to Message 1505652.  

Do not believe The West will fight over Ukraine, and other Country's of the Old Soviet Union.

The West did nothing when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 so why should Ukraine be different?
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Message 1505696 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 17:50:48 UTC - in response to Message 1505626.  

And more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggm6GnqtM-A&feature=youtu.be
Kiev, so called "Freedom" neo-nazist party. Their hero on photos - Bandera.


I don't get this.
Why would this neo-nazist party choose Bandera as a hero?
UPA (Степан Андрійович Бандера) opponents where Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and both Underground and Communist Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army


Cause he implemented same nazi ideas that his novaday followers share.
He did terror inside west Ukraine nand Poland to make the same thing as Hitler... with single difference. Hitler selected germans as "uber-race", Bandera selected ukranian. And did genocide over russians and poland population on west Ukraine territory. Methods he used to "free Ukraine" can make competition to Hitler's SS deeds.
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Message 1505730 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 19:06:50 UTC - in response to Message 1505696.  

Cause he implemented same nazi ideas that his novaday followers share.
He did terror inside west Ukraine nand Poland to make the same thing as Hitler... with single difference. Hitler selected germans as "uber-race", Bandera selected ukranian. And did genocide over russians and poland population on west Ukraine territory. Methods he used to "free Ukraine" can make competition to Hitler's SS deeds.


I see.
It seems that neo-nazists are starting to show their ugly faces again.
Not only in Ukraine but in other countries in Europe as well.
There are these groups even in the US and I wouldn't be surprised if there are groups in Russia.
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Message 1505735 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 19:28:15 UTC

I can see that "Godwin's Law" is out the window; so I ask, how can there be Slavic Nazis, isn't there an Aryan requirement?
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Message 1505752 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 20:20:08 UTC - in response to Message 1505735.  
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I can see that "Godwin's Law" is out the window; so I ask, how can there be Slavic Nazis, isn't there an Aryan requirement?


No. As Raistmer says the Ucrainiane nazis are using the same rhetoric as german nazis. The Aryan requirement is not needed in their case.
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Message 1505759 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 20:31:39 UTC
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The Pentagon said it would extend its own deployment of F-16 fighter jets to Poland through the end of the year, and encouraged other NATO allies to contribute to the detachment.

This is the first moving of assets by NATO; Canada sending six CF-18s to Poland to bolster NATO forces... Poland stuck in the middle again but now the Great White North is ready to implement Article 5.
This from Poland's defense minister Siemoniak selling Poland's soul to the Great Satan.
“In the longer-term perspective, what we would like to see very much in Poland is the development of NATO and American infrastructure and an increasing military presence of both the US and NATO in our country,”

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Message 1505784 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 21:18:05 UTC - in response to Message 1505730.  
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There are these groups even in the US and I wouldn't be surprised if there are groups in Russia.


Sure, there are such here too indeed. But here they are minority and in opposition to official government. Extremists out of law. Just as should be with such elements. Alarming situation when such parties come to rule and Ukraine now in such situation, too many peoples in interim government from "Freedom" and no representatives of east regions to give some counteraction.
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Message 1505798 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 21:31:28 UTC
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To see that they not just appeared instantly in Ukraine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSCnRb1IXls

As video says it's Lvov, 2011 year, so few years before recent events...

Video title: March in memory of SS division "Galitchina".
Slogans near the end: "Shuhevitch, Bandera - Urkaine's heroes"....

So, this plague grows quite long on west Ukraine...
And as I already said, European diplomates knew about that, they even condemned "Freedom" party few years ago (not to say about even more radical "Right sector")... but it seems to spite Russia all means are good... Eyes was closed.
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Message 1505806 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 21:37:56 UTC
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What were the Volhynian Massacres?

The Volhynian massacres were anti-Polish genocidal ethnic cleansings conducted by Ukrainian nationalists. The massacres took place within Poland’s borders as of the outbreak of WWII, and not only in Volhynia, but also in other areas with a mixed Polish-Ukrainian population, especially the Lvov, Tarnopol, and Stanisławów voivodeships (that is, in Eastern Galicia), as well as in some voivodeships bordering on Volhynia (the western part of the Lublin Voivodeship and the northern part of the Polesie Voivodeship – see map). The time frame of these massacres was 1943−1945. The perpetrators were the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists−Bandera faction (OUN-B) and its military wing, called the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Their documents show that the planned extermination of the Polish population was called an “anti-Polish operation.”


http://www.volhyniamassacre.eu/?a=4639
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Message 1505811 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 21:47:43 UTC

And "today":
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Message 1505817 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 21:57:06 UTC - in response to Message 1504689.  
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http://slavgorod.com.ua/News/Article/837
(this last link has foto and video of those vehicles).

EDIT: and tank was blocked near Slavyansk (but yesterday): http://slavgorod.com.ua/News/Article/823


BTW, as of now this news site of Slavyansk is not working, Error 404, not found.
Bad sign...
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Message 1505821 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 22:02:43 UTC
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Hi all my friends!
Please note: when the whole Christian World reveres Jesus Christ, his suffering for the benefit us..., are trying to be a bit better..., in some muscovites appears impure force!
They say that all enemies everywhere, are angry on other nations around them!
Today our priests bless our troops to protect of our country and the Ukrainian people! (see photo)! In it also there big difference between us and these communist antichrists!
Our ancient ancestors - it cossacks (ploughmen) of Kievan rus, their ancestors - redheads and freckled robbers, who lived on the the northern shores of the Oka River, so-called "vyatichi"! They sat in the bushes and attacked ships Ukrainian tradesman... then when they are tired of of this activity - have formed the city of Moscow! :)
They call this - "russian zabava", that is entertainment or game!
Unlike these, we read together with Europe and other countries "Lord's Prayer", they are looking for nazis... sending us spies, terrorists, saboteurs and host of other lumpens.
Well, you can see this on this forum ...
But we can to forgive them,maybe... if they would refund what have stolen and would leave us alone!
Health and peaceful sky for everyone!

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Message 1505835 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 22:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1505821.  

Today our priests
How does the priesthood work in the Eastern Church? Putin has priests too.


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Message 1505842 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 22:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 1505835.  

Today our priests
How does the priesthood work in the Eastern Church? Putin has priests too.



LoL, indeed, all have own priest... and let not go into religion debates here, quite complex topic too.
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Message 1505843 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 22:27:17 UTC
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And back to topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pculDDRKHdg#t=614
Good to see that there is some understanding in EU countries too.
I linked that video (German, eng subs available) from the place where he speak about issue I explain today.


Then a new government was formed. Directly accepted by president Obama, also by the EU, also from Germany. Ms. Merkel! This government’s vice premier minister, the defence minister, the agricultural minister, the environmental minister, the Attorney General… are fascists! The head of the national security committee was co-founder of the fascist Swoboda party. Fascists have important positions and dominate, for example, the security sector. And never have fascists voluntarily given up power once they had conquered a part of it. At least Germany should have drawn the line here, especially because of our history. When Haider’s FPÖ joined the government in Austra, there were even contact barriers! And with the fascists in Ukraine we do nothing?! Swoboda has close contacts to the NPD and other nazi parties in Europe. The chairman of this party, Olek Tjahnybok, has stated the following. I am going to quote him now. You need to grasp this, what he has said literally: “Grab your weapons. Fight the Russian pigs, the Germans and the Jew swines and others pests”. End of quote. I repeat. This man has said “Grab your weapons. Fight the Russian pigs, the Germans and the Jew swines and others pests”. Attacks on jews and left-wingers are now common and to all this you say nothing? You talk with these Swoboda people? I think this is a scandal. I have to tell you this clearly.

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Message 1505852 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 22:37:32 UTC - in response to Message 1505835.  

How does the priesthood work in the Eastern Church? Putin has priests too

Not it indicative! First, is not there a soldier! Secondly, I have already said... in such days someone bears malice and feels the need to find enemies!
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Message 1505860 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 23:19:50 UTC - in response to Message 1505600.  

and I would include de Gaulle.

Bah, he was a buffoon who played hero when others had done all the hard work. He was partly responsible for France's unpreparedness, and during the war he did what? Actually, what were his contributions to the allied effort? Rather minimal.
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Message 1505903 - Posted: 19 Apr 2014, 3:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 1505860.  

and I would include de Gaulle.

Bah, he was a buffoon who played hero when others had done all the hard work. He was partly responsible for France's unpreparedness, and during the war he did what? Actually, what were his contributions to the allied effort? Rather minimal.

And after the war he turned a blinds eye toward is former allies. Thanks for dying and freeing my country now get lost.
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