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http://www.news.com.au/world/prorussians-killed-as-russian-spies-in-ukraine-and-threats-of-more-sanctions-loom/story-fndir2ev-1226885861349

AS the crisis between Russia and the Ukraine deepens, three pro-Russian protesters have been killed, another 13 have been injured and 63 arrested in a clash at the Mariupol Military Base.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page that around 300 people mounted the attack using guns and petrol bombs on the interior ministry troops, none of whom was hurt.

Their deaths come as Russian spies also have been reportedly directing militia attacks on the ground.

Pro-Russian militia in Ukraine are being supervised and guided by Russian army intelligence agents, The Times reports.

Ten Russian “spies and raiders” were arrested in Ukraine during the past month, the analysis of Moscow’s involvement by the Ukrainian secret service says, while telephone intercepts show orders from Russian agents directing attacks.

This evening's news update here.Russia, Ukraine, the US and EU in talks after pro-Russians killed

This is a very well equipped pro-Russian demonstrator.

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Sweden does have a history of trading with, and assisting 'Questionable' Country's.

He said Nazi; I call "Godwin's Law".

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No one during that period was free of disgust...

Allied Multinationals supplied Germany during WWII

IBM

... & if you think bankers causing the 2008 crash was bad...

"Sensing Adolf Hitler's lust for war and conquest, Schacht, even before Hitler rose to power in the Reichstag, pushed for an institution that would retain channels of communication and collusion between the world's financial leaders even in the event of an international conflict. It was written into the Bank's charter, concurred in by the respective governments, that the BIS should be immune from seizure, closure, or censure, whether or not its owners were at war. These owners included the Morgan-affiliated First National Bank of New York (among whose directors were Harold S. Vanderbilt and Wendell Willkie), the Bank of England, the Reichsbank, the Bank of Italy, the Bank of France, and other central banks. Established under the Morgan banker Owen D. Young's so-called Young Plan, the BIS's ostensible purpose was to provide the Allies with reparations to be paid by Germany for World War I. The Bank soon turned out to be the instrument of an opposite function. It was to be a money funnel for American and British funds to flow into Hitler's coffers and to help Hitler build up his war machine."

Isn't it about time we actually learned from history?

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WOW!!!

Raistmer is now accusing the U.S.A. for this mess and escalation.

Agree with Batter Up on this Brilliant move by our 'Brilliant' (sic) leader's.

If the situation wasn't so bad...

Just a question to the Non-Russian European's here:

Why did you allow Russia to control much of your Energy, and therefore your future?

We in .se wanted more alternative energy sources. Less fossile fule so Gas would be an asset. And with the Berlin wall down and Russia becoming more open to western trade and more friendly to the EU.
I'd say .se has a good trade partner with Russia.
We welcome a more open relation with Russia.

Sweden does have a history of trading with, and assisting 'Questionable' Country's.

"During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (June–July 1941) the German 163rd Infantry Division along with howitzers, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons and associated ammunition, from Norway to Finland. German soldiers traveling on leave between Norway and Germany were allowed passage through Sweden — the so-called permittenttrafik. Iron ore was sold to Germany throughout the war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II

I wasn't born at the time....
But what I learned about Sweden in 1940's is if we where attacked I would probebly speak German now....

It's now up to Moscow and the racist pro-Russians now.

http://www.news.com.au/world/ukraine-deal-reached-to-ease-tensions-stop-violence-intimidation-and-provocation/story-fndir2ev-1226888836969

TOP diplomats from the United States, European Union, Russia and Ukraine reached agreement after marathon talks on immediate steps to ease the crisis in Ukraine.

And it comes after pamphlets ordering Jews in east Ukraine’s main city to register or face deportation sparked a fierce storm of indignation on Thursday, with strident condemnation from Western officials and dire fears of a Nazi-style pogrom.

Reached after seven hours of negotiation, the agreement does not set out specific directions for Ukraine’s future, but it requires all sides to halt any violence, intimidation or provocative actions. It calls for the disarming of all illegally armed groups and for control of buildings seized by pro-Russian separatists to be turned back to authorities.

The agreement puts on hold — for now at least — additional economic sanctions the West had prepared to impose on Russia if the talks were fruitless.

That will ease international pressure both on Moscow and nervous European Union nations that depend on Russia for their energy.

Still no political propaganda contained in link.

[quote]It's now up to Moscow and the racist pro-Russians now.


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And it comes after pamphlets ordering Jews in east Ukraine’s main city to register or face deportation sparked a fierce storm of indignation on Thursday, with strident condemnation from Western officials and dire fears of a Nazi-style pogrom.


So was that a joke from some idiots to stir the pot some more? I can bet that got the attention of the Israelis. And I can aslo bet that this being 2014 and seeing what the past brought upon the Jewish people, They will fight any such proclamation.

I have stated a few times that history is repeating itself. But I keep getting told that noway can it happen. Then I read about the flyer handed to folks from the Jewish faith after a religious service.

Yeah right, Peace in our time.

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Sweden does have a history of trading with, and assisting 'Questionable' Country's.

"During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (June–July 1941) the German 163rd Infantry Division along with howitzers, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons and associated ammunition, from Norway to Finland. German soldiers traveling on leave between Norway and Germany were allowed passage through Sweden — the so-called permittenttrafik. Iron ore was sold to Germany throughout the war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II

I wasn't born at the time....
But what I learned about Sweden in 1940's is if we where attacked I would probebly speak German now....

I understand, and believe that most country's will have done the same.

But... You do understand, that in saving YOUR Country: Many other people's children were slaughtered.

Does Sweden teach this lesson to its people, and the possible negative impact Neutrality may have against Innocents.

CLYDE:

One could always talk about what would have happend if one did this or that.

WW2, how many killed. No need for an answer.

The big question should be, how to awoid WW3.

This evening's news update here.Russia, Ukraine, the US and EU in talks after pro-Russians killed

This is a very well equipped pro-Russian demonstrator.

You think? Most of that stuff you can get in army dump shops for a couple of bucks. If you go to Berlin they sell gasmasks like that on the street as tourist souvenirs. I imagine that all you have to do is replace the filter with one that actually works for more than just paint fumes.

It's now up to Moscow and the racist pro-Russians now.


Still no political propaganda contained in link.

LoL, I like your last statement. Is that mantra you repeat each time when posting Ukranian propaganda for what? Do you really think anyone will take it as truth? Hardly so.

And regarding this last propaganda's attempt:

http://centerkor-ua.livejournal.com/4312.html

Looks like one more fake from Ukrainian's usurpators, nothing more.

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And here are real nazi in action.
Lvov, west Ukraine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_cmxeT03bs&feature=youtu.be
(Translation of video title : Life of animals from Right sector in Lvov)

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This evening's news update here.Russia, Ukraine, the US and EU in talks after pro-Russians killed

This is a very well equipped pro-Russian demonstrator.

You think? Most of that stuff you can get in army dump shops for a couple of bucks. If you go to Berlin they sell gasmasks like that on the street as tourist souvenirs. I imagine that all you have to do is replace the filter with one that actually works for more than just paint fumes.

Well, same grade equipped from "maidan".



But Мишель is right, such ammunition proves absolutely nothing.

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You not trust Russia's media. Do you trust BBC?

BBC Newsnight's Gabriel Gatehouse investigates the links between the new Ukrainian government and Neo-nazis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

"Not like Hitler, but a little... own nation", "one country, one nation" ... very nice young man, few dozens years ago he would be bright participant of hitlerjugend...

EDIT: well, and after that some say that Crimean had nothing to fear? That referendum was fake? Sorry, no. Crimea don't want all this shit to happen on their city's streets.

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Nothing resembles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGIBaCWiN50&feature=youtu.be

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CLYDE:

One could always talk about what would have happend if one did this or that.

WW2, how many killed. No need for an answer.

The big question should be, how to awoid WW3.

I believe WE share the same concerns regarding the future.

I fear we are in a Pre-WW2 situation.

Presently, The Western Leadership is not up to the task.

Back when: There was Churchill, Roosevelt, and I would include de Gaulle.

With All Their Imperfections: They were up to the Task.

Do you believe that WW3 can be won??

And more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggm6GnqtM-A&feature=youtu.be
Kiev, so called "Freedom" neo-nazist party. Their hero on photos - Bandera.

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CLYDE:

One could always talk about what would have happend if one did this or that.

WW2, how many killed. No need for an answer.

The big question should be, how to awoid WW3.

I believe WE share the same concerns regarding the future.

I fear we are in a Pre-WW2 situation.

Presently, The Western Leadership is not up to the task.

Back when: There was Churchill, Roosevelt, and I would include de Gaulle.

With All Their Imperfections: They were up to the Task.

Do you believe that WW3 can be won??

No

neo-stalinism... neo-naziism...

not much difference...

both are quite некультурный if you ask me.

The Stalinist-wanna-be Putin better start treading VERY carefully now... Ya don't wanna make those of Hebrew extraction angry with you. It can ruin your day.

'Jewish registration' is gonna piss-off a LOT of people around the world.

I can understand Russia's desire to maintain a decent warm-water port, but Putin's painting this as 'protecting a Russian minority' in Crimea has effectively painted him into a corner. There are VERY few scenarios left that don't lead to an armed multinational conflict.

Well, you tried to use russian word but w/o understanding its meaning it seems.
Некультурный... это не некультурный называется, это называется фашизм. Фашизм не пройдет. Что бы вы там у себя на западе не думали. Я с этого тезиса общение в этой ветке начал, на этом и буду стоять.
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Kiev, so called "Freedom" neo-nazist party. Their hero on photos - Bandera.

I don't get this.
Why would this neo-nazist party choose Bandera as a hero?
UPA (Степан Андрійович Бандера) opponents where Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and both Underground and Communist Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army