http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iChNlpHkp4
Russia's special forces everywhere, ROFL.

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Well, director of CIA was in Ukraine few days ago.... And after that Kiev's rulers decided to start military operation against own population from east areas... Nice move...

http://rt.com/usa/white-house-confirms-cia-ukraine-448/

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http://www.un.org/en/sc/meetings/records/2014.shtml
No last event's record.

But looking news about - nothing changed, USA continues their accusations and refuse their involvement... So all continues.

It's obvious that you didn't bother to look at all as here is the link,

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/security-council/watch/the-situation-in-ukraine-security-council-7154th-meeting/3465821894001

You may like to view this crisis with blinkers on and ignore the part that your country is playing in it, but the rest of the world doesn't.

Cheers.

Churchill's ghost must be splitting his sides laughing.

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http://www.un.org/en/sc/meetings/records/2014.shtml
No last event's record.

But looking news about - nothing changed, USA continues their accusations and refuse their involvement... So all continues.

It's obvious that you didn't bother to look at all as here is the link,

http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/security-council/watch/the-situation-in-ukraine-security-council-7154th-meeting/3465821894001

You may like to view this crisis with blinkers on and ignore the part that your country is playing in it, but the rest of the world doesn't.

Cheers.

Thanks for link!
For now I heared introduction, speach of Russian representative (he said nothing new to me, his speech corresponds situation) and part of speech of Lithuania representative.
And here where discrepancies began:
1) "same uniform" and so on. I looked quite a lot videos of events to say that with no doubts there are many different participants, including those w/o any uniform at all. In masks and w/o masks, with weapon and w/o weapon. There are protests that population supports. So attempts to represent them as some special forces provocation quite pathetic (no doubts there will be same claims in other speeaches, will hear later).
2) Regarding "steps that Yatsenjuk and Turchinov made towards protesters claims". Well, so far all those steps are just words and void promises. No projects of corresponding laws were introduced, no laws were accepted, just void words.
For completeness need to say that their other words, all those ultimatums are just void words too. Avakov said "48 hours". more than 96 passed already... Turchinov said "till 6a.m. monday" - tuesday night already... That is, all their words are just void words, both promises and threats... They loose their grasp completely.
Hence the claim that their west masters should help them to decide right and not to apply military forces against population deemed as quite logical claim.

What place in meeting (quite long event, 1:38) would you recommend to explicitly watch that can add anything new to already discribed situation?

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I recommend that you watch the whole meeting.

But in the end is, world to Russia, disperse your military from the border and remove your agents and undercover military personnel from within the Ukraine.

Cheers.

Well, Ok, I will do full watch in time, though it looks like you ignored my calls to look links I posted (or at least refused to comment them at all). This rises some concerns who wears blinkers after all.

And more regarding Lithuania's representative speech:

Lot of words regarding disjoin from Ukraine and join to Russia of those regions.
Maybe some would like this indeed. But the official Russia position for now that such will be against national interests of Russia so Russia will not allow to join - that's from one side. And from other side Lithuania's representative completely ignores real most important claims of protesters.
These claims were quite concisely formulated by Tsarev, one of president candidates:

1) Law about referendum to decide what state organization Ukraine should have (east for federal organization).
2) Freedom and full amnesty to all already captured protesters.
3) Russian language as state language (2 states languages for country)

Why Lithuania's representative did not say anything about those requirements?...

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And what makes you so sure that I didn't look at your links?

I did and I find them simply and typically just propaganda for the most part. :-p

Lithuania still remembers what it was like to have Russia invade and control their country so her words were carefully chosen I thought just in case that they may become another Ukraine.

As for that referendum we all now that it was a scam/farce and those there from non-Russian ancestry were in fear of their lives if they turned up to vote as was being told to foreign reporters by those people (most of those people didn't want their faces shown in case of reprisals).

When your country has true freedom of speech and your news sites don't get vetted by your government and filled with government propaganda before they can release anything then come back and talk sense to us.

Cheers.

And what makes you so sure that I didn't look at your links?

I did and I find them simply and typically just propaganda for the most part. :-p

Lithuania still remembers what it was like to have Russia invade and control their country so her words were carefully chosen I thought just in case that they may become another Ukraine.

As for that referendum we all now that it was a scam/farce and those there from non-Russian ancestry were in fear of their lives if they turned up to vote as was being told to foreign reporters by those people (most of those people didn't want their faces shown in case of reprisals).

When your country has true freedom of speech and your news sites don't get vetted by your government and filled with government propaganda before they can release anything then come back and talk sense to us.

Cheers.

Well, so, all from Russian side you qualified as propaganda. Well, I see, no more questions.
Hope your blinkers not too clumsy for everyday use... ;)

EDIT: And, btw, there was "German propaganda" as well... but doesn't matter, you filter all quite perfect.

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Hope your blinkers not too clumsy for everyday use... ;)

I really liked how your countries leader handled Pussy Riot, very smooth. Quite a voice for free speech isn't he?

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Raistmer you are entitled to your opinions as we are entitled to ours, but in this case no matter how hard or loud you scream at the world your opinions you'll just be in an extremely small minority over this crisis and I can't see things changing any time soon.

Just man up and get use to the fact that many don't (and won't) agree with your views. ;-)

Cheers.

Hello everyone! How are you all? :) Well I hope!

Lithuania has, as far as I know, imposed a ban on Russian newsfeeds due to the blatant propaganda within them. I believe Latvia has or is about to do the same. Wise people? :)

I'm wondering Raistmer, whether you have considered that there may be a lot of information available in several Western Nations from the activities of organisations such as the NSA (with regards mobile phone surveillance and monitoring of calls)? It's been mentioned more than once in news broadcasts about a large volume of calls being made between Russia and the eastern Ukraine - many specifically from within the occupied buildings in question. If we know that - then we (and you) can be pretty sure that a lot of people also know what is being said... and the general consensus is, I'm afraid, that your government might not be telling you the truth.

I'm no supporter of spying... but it can and does uncover some painful truths sometimes. I do also know that Western governments are capable of dishonourable conduct as well - so all I can suggest is maybe try to open your mind a little to the possibility that not everything you want to believe, is true... And then try not to want to believe anything... but only to find out more for yourself from as many sources as you can. :)

Ps: I never blindly follow any politician - it's really not good for your health :)

Now Russian fighters are buzzing US destroyers in the Black Sea. Looks like Putin and Obama are playing chicken but with other people's lives. This reminds me of a line in "The Hunt for Red October" where the Admiral on the US carrier says the situation could go critical at any moment.

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Now Russian fighters are buzzing US destroyers in the Black Sea. Looks like Putin and Obama are playing chicken but with other people's lives. This reminds me of a line in "The Hunt for Red October" where the Admiral on the US carrier says the situation could go critical at any moment.

A totaly stupid move on Russias part. I guess they dont remember the USS Stark.

Brinkmanship to the extreme is what this is. Who will blink first. How many will die?

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Raistmer you are entitled to your opinions as we are entitled to ours, but in this case no matter how hard or loud you scream at the world your opinions you'll just be in an extremely small minority over this crisis and I can't see things changing any time soon.

Just man up and get use to the fact that many don't (and won't) agree with your views. ;-)

Cheers.

It's only your opinion, "world" opinion can be quite different. So i'll continue to post evidences, w/o any "scream" no matter what you say.

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Now Russian fighters are buzzing US destroyers in the Black Sea. Looks like Putin and Obama are playing chicken but with other people's lives. This reminds me of a line in "The Hunt for Red October" where the Admiral on the US carrier says the situation could go critical at any moment.

A totaly stupid move on Russias part. I guess they dont remember the USS Stark.

Brinkmanship to the extreme is what this is. Who will blink first. How many will die?

Maybe posters would bother a little to post links on news they cite?

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Now Russian fighters are buzzing US destroyers in the Black Sea. Looks like Putin and Obama are playing chicken but with other people's lives. This reminds me of a line in "The Hunt for Red October" where the Admiral on the US carrier says the situation could go critical at any moment.

A totaly stupid move on Russias part. I guess they dont remember the USS Stark.

Brinkmanship to the extreme is what this is. Who will blink first. How many will die?

Maybe posters would bother a little to post links on news they cite?

If you insist on being such a disbeliever here's a link with the buzzing incident about halfway down.

http://www.news.com.au/world/ukraine-pm-says-country-at-war-as-prorussian-militias-storm-police-station-in-gorlivka/story-fndir2ev-1226884422397

Warning, this link contains no government propaganda. ;-)

I'm wondering Raistmer, whether you have considered that there may be a lot of information available in several Western Nations from the activities of organisations such as the NSA (with regards mobile phone surveillance and monitoring of calls)? It's been mentioned more than once in news broadcasts about a large volume of calls being made between Russia and the eastern Ukraine - many specifically from within the occupied buildings in question. If we know that - then we (and you) can be pretty sure that a lot of people also know what is being said... and the general consensus is, I'm afraid, that your government might not be telling you the truth.

Hi, and likewise, do you consider situation that what your press say you is just deceiving? Until you have direct access to spy data, how can you be sure that you told real data via news? Yes, there are many ways to get data but all they mutexed after via news channels. So, either you ultimately trust what your news sources tell or not, no matter what means they telling they use to get those news.

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Now Russian fighters are buzzing US destroyers in the Black Sea. Looks like Putin and Obama are playing chicken but with other people's lives. This reminds me of a line in "The Hunt for Red October" where the Admiral on the US carrier says the situation could go critical at any moment.

A totaly stupid move on Russias part. I guess they dont remember the USS Stark.

Brinkmanship to the extreme is what this is. Who will blink first. How many will die?

Maybe posters would bother a little to post links on news they cite?

If you insist on being such a disbeliever here's a link with the buzzing incident about halfway down.

http://www.news.com.au/world/ukraine-pm-says-country-at-war-as-prorussian-militias-storm-police-station-in-gorlivka/story-fndir2ev-1226884422397

Warning, this link contains no government propaganda. ;-)

LoL, Wiggo, do you really so naive??? It's Ukraine news source. no propaganda, LoL :))) And ukraine news sources report regarding russian fighters and american ships, really? Well, nice joke, thanks :)

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