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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
This won't directly impact the ISS or our access to it, but NASA has been ordered to terminate all other ties to the Russian space agency. It is speculated that it is a move to seek more funding from congress to get a new generation manned orbital vehicle ready sooner. http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/3/5577520/nasa-ban-russian-communication-about-money-not-crimea Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
KWSN-GMC-Peeper of the Castle Anthrax Send message Joined: 28 May 99 Posts: 274 Credit: 6,936,182 RAC: 0 |
If so, let's pray we don't get another politically gelded piece of junk that kills crews. In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones. If you don't touch it, you can't break it. ; |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones. And your shoot-from-the-hip reference for that claim is?... Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
KWSN-GMC-Peeper of the Castle Anthrax Send message Joined: 28 May 99 Posts: 274 Credit: 6,936,182 RAC: 0 |
... In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones. LOLOLOLOL pathetic. but.. http://www.space.com/1438-chapter-opens-space-shuttle-born-compromise.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_design_process I live in hopes that someday you might yet substantiate something when I ask.. If you don't touch it, you can't break it. ; |
Akio Send message Joined: 18 May 11 Posts: 375 Credit: 32,129,242 RAC: 0 |
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Am I missing something here? It looks like a post was removed. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Must say walking straight from your link into "tile heat shield design" floored me a bit too Bob - so thought I'd delay any comment till I knew more - and I still don't - but I'm here doing this now anyway :) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Our elected idiots should have had a replacement for the shuttles before they retired them. Couldnt they have forseen a day when a schism might happen, And leave the ISS on its own? And why cant we just use rockets like Russia does? Maybe Space X or Virgin Galatic can take up some slack. In a few years time that is. I can see the ISS going the same way as MIR did thanks to our shortsighted elected dolts. [/quote] Old James |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Am I missing something here? It looks like a post was removed. It seems that the person who commented about tile heat shield and fuel tank design is now on vacation. ;-) So Annie you blinked and missed it. :-) James, you are quite right there mate on all points. ;-) Cheers. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
I've blinked and missed a lot today I think. :) I remember feeling very sad and somewhat dumbfounded when the shuttles were retired. America being dependent on Russia to get to the ISS? Really?! For a "forward" step it seemed peculiarly backward :/ I can utterly understand your view James. I know we in Europe have ESA but it doesn't quite have the same magic as the USA's space program had... So... at the risk of sounding stooooooooopid..... Does this mean that Nasa will now be given the kind of finance it needs? And am I mistaken in thinking that the James Webb telescope mission has just been cancelled? I'm very confused. I need a coffee... |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Looks like that statement already retracted. But the imbecility of such statements remain much longer.. For what reason USA needs to antagonize more and more layers of Russia's population? Sanctions against some "misbehaved" leaders - well, silly but touches nobody but them actually. Disabling cards - all users of corresponding bank that late on meeting because cards not working started to hate USA. Shutting down NASA - scientific layer antagonized... Well, time to ask who wanna new Cold War indeed? Looks like falling in all ratings Obama needs it much more than rising Putin... And about initial statement: all interaction shut down... but transporting via Russian Soyuses to ISS :DDDD Just ROFL. Same with NATO: all interaction shut down... but to use Russian logistic for Afghanistan supplies... childish, indeed :) SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I think its stupid for any space station to have only one way to get there. Back in the MIR days the US did send a shuttle to dock with them. I thought and still think that was the way to do things, Together as a world, Not as nations. I do not want to see another cold war start. I feel this ruling is pure polictal blackmail. I hope that nothing happens that we need to get the crews of the ISS off in a hurry. Politics, Thats the shame of the world. [/quote] Old James |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
I think its stupid for any space station to have only one way to get there. Fully agree. While denying some "celebrity" (like Putin is now) to enter to some restaurant makes good advertisement move, such statements regarding scientific or cultural interaction are completely destructive. It's very naive (I would say stupid actually) to think that such actions can change anything regarding external politic of country but they definitely give birth to bad feelings and other negative effects. Few days ago in some speech Kerry said that "no one should use energy to.." and so on. But energy is resource, that cost money. And by rules of market price is agreement between seller and buyer. Don't want to pay so much - don't pay then, try to buy somewhere else, as with any other goods. Much more right would be to reflect same statement back to USA's politics and say that one never should use scientific and cultural interactions as means to impose own politic views to others. That's what USA as geopolitical entity tries to do again and again... As technical limitation overcome surely would be better if USA would have own space ships too, that EU would have fully operational space ship too. It would be good just per se and could be used in some emergency situations. But to link this with politics - fie!.. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well. I heard about such projects quite a lot years ago. But are there any "real" projects on this topic. I mean with sound calculations that this is possible on today's "state of art" ? SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I can see a fully operational space elevator working, but for the life of me I don't see how it can be built. Do you start from the ground and go up? Doesn't seem likely. Do you start from geosynchronous orbit and go down. Just as impossible. Since it has to be on the equator it would almost have to be in africa or asia. As soon as someone demonstrates a workable way to build one I'm all for it. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
I can see a fully operational space elevator working, but for the life of me I don't see how it can be built. Do you start from the ground and go up? Doesn't seem likely. Do you start from geosynchronous orbit and go down. Just as impossible. Since it has to be on the equator it would almost have to be in africa or asia. As soon as someone demonstrates a workable way to build one I'm all for it. One could also build them in the sea. However, I think the point should be more that at some point we decide to just build one. When Kennedy stated that he was sending people to the moon, at that moment in time they didn't really have the means to do so either. But because the decision was made and they got proper funding, it just became an engineering challenge. I think the same can be done with a space elevator. Just decide one day that a space elevator is going to be build and then leave it to the engineers to figure out how. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well. Yes, it is theoretically possible. All you need is a long enough cable that is also strong enough (I think the engineers currently believe a cable of carbon nanotubes is strong enough). If you build them at the equator and with a counter weight, the gravitational forces are not even a problem (thanks to the counterweight). I think the problem is more on how you can build a cable this long and get it up there. Another problem I forsee is with all the space debris floating around. Wouldn't want some defunct piece of satellite crash into the orbital station. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well. Show the world a practical way to build one and I will invest in it, but not before a workable plan is developed. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Laddies: The Space Station is not in Geo-Synchronous orbit. It is only 200 miles high not at all around 1000 miles up. |
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