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Message 1499863 - Posted: 4 Apr 2014, 20:28:10 UTC

This won't directly impact the ISS or our access to it, but NASA has been ordered to terminate all other ties to the Russian space agency. It is speculated that it is a move to seek more funding from congress to get a new generation manned orbital vehicle ready sooner.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/3/5577520/nasa-ban-russian-communication-about-money-not-crimea
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Message 1499893 - Posted: 4 Apr 2014, 21:49:52 UTC
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If so, let's pray we don't get another politically gelded piece of junk that kills crews.
In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones.
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Message 1499896 - Posted: 4 Apr 2014, 22:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 1499893.  

... In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones.

And your shoot-from-the-hip reference for that claim is?...


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Message 1499898 - Posted: 4 Apr 2014, 22:09:56 UTC - in response to Message 1499896.  
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... In case you're unaware, both the booster design and the tile heat shield design were political decisions, not engineering ones.

And your shoot-from-the-hip reference for that claim is?...


Keep searchin',
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LOLOLOLOL
pathetic. but..

http://www.space.com/1438-chapter-opens-space-shuttle-born-compromise.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_design_process

I live in hopes that someday you might yet substantiate something when I ask..
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Message 1499985 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 2:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 1499896.  


And your shoot-from-the-hip reference for that claim is?...


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Message 1500029 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 4:58:42 UTC

Am I missing something here? It looks like a post was removed.
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Message 1500032 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 5:12:10 UTC

Must say walking straight from your link into "tile heat shield design" floored me a bit too Bob - so thought I'd delay any comment till I knew more - and I still don't - but I'm here doing this now anyway :)
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Message 1500033 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 5:12:37 UTC

Our elected idiots should have had a replacement for the shuttles before they retired them.

Couldnt they have forseen a day when a schism might happen, And leave the ISS on its own?
And why cant we just use rockets like Russia does? Maybe Space X or Virgin Galatic can take up some slack. In a few years time that is.
I can see the ISS going the same way as MIR did thanks to our shortsighted elected dolts.
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Message 1500044 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 6:19:39 UTC

Am I missing something here? It looks like a post was removed.

It seems that the person who commented about tile heat shield and fuel tank design is now on vacation. ;-)

So Annie you blinked and missed it. :-)

James, you are quite right there mate on all points. ;-)

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Message 1500058 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 6:45:40 UTC

I've blinked and missed a lot today I think. :)

I remember feeling very sad and somewhat dumbfounded when the shuttles were retired. America being dependent on Russia to get to the ISS? Really?! For a "forward" step it seemed peculiarly backward :/

I can utterly understand your view James. I know we in Europe have ESA but it doesn't quite have the same magic as the USA's space program had...

So... at the risk of sounding stooooooooopid..... Does this mean that Nasa will now be given the kind of finance it needs? And am I mistaken in thinking that the James Webb telescope mission has just been cancelled?

I'm very confused. I need a coffee...
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Message 1500060 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 6:46:54 UTC
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Looks like that statement already retracted.
But the imbecility of such statements remain much longer.. For what reason USA needs to antagonize more and more layers of Russia's population? Sanctions against some "misbehaved" leaders - well, silly but touches nobody but them actually.

Disabling cards - all users of corresponding bank that late on meeting because cards not working started to hate USA.
Shutting down NASA - scientific layer antagonized... Well, time to ask who wanna new Cold War indeed? Looks like falling in all ratings Obama needs it much more than rising Putin...

And about initial statement: all interaction shut down... but transporting via Russian Soyuses to ISS :DDDD Just ROFL.

Same with NATO: all interaction shut down... but to use Russian logistic for Afghanistan supplies... childish, indeed :)
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Message 1500075 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 7:11:34 UTC

I think its stupid for any space station to have only one way to get there.
Back in the MIR days the US did send a shuttle to dock with them. I thought and still think that was the way to do things, Together as a world, Not as nations.
I do not want to see another cold war start.
I feel this ruling is pure polictal blackmail. I hope that nothing happens that we need to get the crews of the ISS off in a hurry.

Politics, Thats the shame of the world.
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Message 1500101 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 9:52:02 UTC - in response to Message 1500075.  

I think its stupid for any space station to have only one way to get there.
Back in the MIR days the US did send a shuttle to dock with them. I thought and still think that was the way to do things, Together as a world, Not as nations.
I do not want to see another cold war start.
I feel this ruling is pure polictal blackmail. I hope that nothing happens that we need to get the crews of the ISS off in a hurry.

Politics, Thats the shame of the world.


Fully agree. While denying some "celebrity" (like Putin is now) to enter to some restaurant makes good advertisement move, such statements regarding scientific or cultural interaction are completely destructive. It's very naive (I would say stupid actually) to think that such actions can change anything regarding external politic of country but they definitely give birth to bad feelings and other negative effects.

Few days ago in some speech Kerry said that "no one should use energy to.." and so on. But energy is resource, that cost money. And by rules of market price is agreement between seller and buyer. Don't want to pay so much - don't pay then, try to buy somewhere else, as with any other goods.
Much more right would be to reflect same statement back to USA's politics and say that one never should use scientific and cultural interactions as means to impose own politic views to others. That's what USA as geopolitical entity tries to do again and again...

As technical limitation overcome surely would be better if USA would have own space ships too, that EU would have fully operational space ship too. It would be good just per se and could be used in some emergency situations. But to link this with politics - fie!..
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Message 1500103 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 10:11:30 UTC

Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well.
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Message 1500105 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 10:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 1500103.  

Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well.

I heard about such projects quite a lot years ago. But are there any "real" projects on this topic. I mean with sound calculations that this is possible on today's "state of art" ?
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Message 1500143 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 13:47:08 UTC

I can see a fully operational space elevator working, but for the life of me I don't see how it can be built. Do you start from the ground and go up? Doesn't seem likely. Do you start from geosynchronous orbit and go down. Just as impossible. Since it has to be on the equator it would almost have to be in africa or asia. As soon as someone demonstrates a workable way to build one I'm all for it.
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Message 1500147 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 14:11:34 UTC - in response to Message 1500143.  

I can see a fully operational space elevator working, but for the life of me I don't see how it can be built. Do you start from the ground and go up? Doesn't seem likely. Do you start from geosynchronous orbit and go down. Just as impossible. Since it has to be on the equator it would almost have to be in africa or asia. As soon as someone demonstrates a workable way to build one I'm all for it.

One could also build them in the sea.

However, I think the point should be more that at some point we decide to just build one. When Kennedy stated that he was sending people to the moon, at that moment in time they didn't really have the means to do so either. But because the decision was made and they got proper funding, it just became an engineering challenge. I think the same can be done with a space elevator. Just decide one day that a space elevator is going to be build and then leave it to the engineers to figure out how.
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Message 1500148 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 14:14:33 UTC - in response to Message 1500105.  
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Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well.

I heard about such projects quite a lot years ago. But are there any "real" projects on this topic. I mean with sound calculations that this is possible on today's "state of art" ?

Yes, it is theoretically possible. All you need is a long enough cable that is also strong enough (I think the engineers currently believe a cable of carbon nanotubes is strong enough). If you build them at the equator and with a counter weight, the gravitational forces are not even a problem (thanks to the counterweight). I think the problem is more on how you can build a cable this long and get it up there.

Another problem I forsee is with all the space debris floating around. Wouldn't want some defunct piece of satellite crash into the orbital station.
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Message 1500218 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 17:48:45 UTC - in response to Message 1500148.  

Time to build a space elevator. Much better than using those rockets. Probably safer as well.

I heard about such projects quite a lot years ago. But are there any "real" projects on this topic. I mean with sound calculations that this is possible on today's "state of art" ?

Yes, it is theoretically possible. All you need is a long enough cable that is also strong enough (I think the engineers currently believe a cable of carbon nanotubes is strong enough). If you build them at the equator and with a counter weight, the gravitational forces are not even a problem (thanks to the counterweight). I think the problem is more on how you can build a cable this long and get it up there.

Another problem I forsee is with all the space debris floating around. Wouldn't want some defunct piece of satellite crash into the orbital station.

Show the world a practical way to build one and I will invest in it, but not before a workable plan is developed.
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Message 1500219 - Posted: 5 Apr 2014, 17:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1500218.  

Laddies:

The Space Station is not in Geo-Synchronous orbit. It is only 200 miles high not at all around 1000 miles up.
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