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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Does it REALLY matter if Sony is... Yes it does. Forgot about Iraq already? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
You are arguing that it doesn't matter if North Korea was guilty of this particular crime or not, we should just pretend that they are because they are guilty of dozens of other crimes and just go in and mess stuff up under this pretext (as you stated earlier that this should be considered as an act of war). Im mentioning Iraq because the exact same thing happened there. Sure, Saddam was a horrible person who committed a lot of crimes, but he didn't have WMD's which was the reason the US started a war that has had such widespread disastrous consequences that we are noticing to this day. And instead of learning from that massive mistake, you want to repeat it. But what can I say? You have started to dismiss arguments as 'silly academic word games' (the word you are looking for is 'semantics' btw). |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Im mentioning Iraq because the exact same thing happened there. Sure, Saddam was a horrible person who committed a lot of crimes, but he didn't have WMD's But Bill Clinton and the Russians didn't invade Iraq. And 'most' intelligence agencies only had a few flimsy reports from an unreliable source that said Iraq had WMD's. Not enough to make a case for. In any case, if you want to invade a country, you better make sure you have an airtight reason for it, you better make sure the rest of the world supports you and you better make sure you have a viable long term post war strategy. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/12/26/interviewkorea/ And more about that "freedom" (for the reference, real freedom of speech includes not only "I say what I want" but "I allow others to speak" too. Second part not for USA, obviously :D ) http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/27/north_korea/ North Korea is the third time in the last week was cut off from the global network. According to USA Today, Saturday, December 27, from 19:30 (13:30 Moscow time) in the country there are disruptions of Internet and network 3G. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on. The hell with North Korea. They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message. [/quote] Old James |
Dimly Lit Lightbulb 😀 Send message Joined: 30 Aug 08 Posts: 15399 Credit: 7,423,413 RAC: 1 |
Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet. Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up Which begs the question. How do North Korean hackers gain access to hack other countries computers? Maybe China has to call off the dogs? Or risk being called on it. [/quote] Old James |
Dimly Lit Lightbulb 😀 Send message Joined: 30 Aug 08 Posts: 15399 Credit: 7,423,413 RAC: 1 |
Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up I was wondering the same, personally I don't think they could be capable of the hacks. China would just say, hey we've noticed a bit more traffic than usual flowing. You are now cut off. The end. Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet. Same way any other hacker does. They send a message to an IRC server and channel which the botnet is monitoring. One message and millions of computers go to work. I tried to lookup what bandwidth DPRK has, but no data. They have more than dialup, but is it more than SETI? Don't know. As to that huge data dump, the limitation might not be how fast they could download it, but how fast could Sony's connection upload it! One would like to think Sony didn't have their corporate network on the same connection as their playstation network or streaming media. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up From what I have read North Korea only have a few thousands peoples that have access to Internet normally. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
It seems to me to be be incongruous that North Korea is responsible for the HACK etc. It seems just as plausible to me that SONY perpetrated a Hoax in an attempt to save a stupid, dog of a movie. "they hate us because they ain't us" Reality Internet Personality |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
+1 Yes, the movie insults North Korea. It also insults Eminem, the CIA, reality TV, TV production in general, and American values in general. In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in. |
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In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in. Yep. However. DO NOT INSULT MOHAMMED. Our PitifulPeacePrizin'Prez had The Maker of 'THE MOVIE' Credited with WORLDWIDE PROTESTS, Deaths, and Benghazi Attacks- because of Mohammed's Unworthy Portrayal-Arrested and Jailed. Hustlin'Hussein DID NOT say: 'Go to The Movies' with dat One. Oh No. Heeba Habba No. Yo. And The Mohammed Movie was Removed from Almost All Distribution. So, ODD Indeed. But So Usual, fO The Worst Prez in History. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet. I also had the thought that maybe they could use satelites to get web access to hack. [/quote] Old James |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in. Don't you just hate it when religious people try to get things banned? Never mind, just remember, always look on the bright side of life. Reality Internet Personality |
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celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
So Kim Jong-un called Obama a monkey eh? Its like he is acting like a republican... |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
So Kim Jong-un called Obama a monkey eh? :DDDDDDDDDD BTW, Sony's advertizment trick was quite successful... Interesting, how many Obama got for helping in that advertizment? Or he was just fooled as child??? |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
USA double standarts on everything just amusing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film) Golden rule is unknown ? Politicians[edit] Sony sick? Or what?... |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
USA double standarts on everything just amusing... Clyde. You have to understand that its Ok to bash the US when things dont go right Like the intervention in the Ukraine. Hell we know what its like to be chastized by the whole world. Russia dosent. They have been victimized there whole existence. Didnt you know that? Why just ask how Poland, East Germany, Estoina. lithuania, and those other counrtrys who HAD to apologize for abusing poor Mother Russia. [/quote] Old James |
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