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Message 1619395 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 15:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 1619380.  

Does it REALLY matter if Sony is...

Does it REALLY matter if N. Korea didn't 'Hack' Sony?

The N. Korean, Mass Murdering, Enslaving, Missile Capable, may have Militarized Atomic Bombs in the Near Future, Kim Family IS...

And deserves EVERYTHING that happens to them.

Yes it does. Forgot about Iraq already?
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Message 1619400 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 15:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 1619398.  

You are arguing that it doesn't matter if North Korea was guilty of this particular crime or not, we should just pretend that they are because they are guilty of dozens of other crimes and just go in and mess stuff up under this pretext (as you stated earlier that this should be considered as an act of war).

Im mentioning Iraq because the exact same thing happened there. Sure, Saddam was a horrible person who committed a lot of crimes, but he didn't have WMD's which was the reason the US started a war that has had such widespread disastrous consequences that we are noticing to this day.

And instead of learning from that massive mistake, you want to repeat it.

But what can I say? You have started to dismiss arguments as 'silly academic word games' (the word you are looking for is 'semantics' btw).
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Message 1619408 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 16:23:40 UTC - in response to Message 1619402.  

Im mentioning Iraq because the exact same thing happened there. Sure, Saddam was a horrible person who committed a lot of crimes, but he didn't have WMD's

President Bill Clinton thought he had WMDs, The Russians thought he had WMD's, most Intelligence Services thought he had WMD's.

In fact: Saddam - Himself - thought he had WMD's.

A Long Story involving His Armed Personal Security Guard (always behind Saddam)- Giving information to Foreign Intelligence Agency's, and Fear from His Scientists.

Note: The Security Guard suffered a Horrible Death, shortly before Saddam's fall from power.

But Bill Clinton and the Russians didn't invade Iraq. And 'most' intelligence agencies only had a few flimsy reports from an unreliable source that said Iraq had WMD's. Not enough to make a case for.

In any case, if you want to invade a country, you better make sure you have an airtight reason for it, you better make sure the rest of the world supports you and you better make sure you have a viable long term post war strategy.
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Message 1619581 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 2:16:02 UTC - in response to Message 1619334.  

http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/12/26/interviewkorea/

In US-North Korean relations, another scandal. And the scandal associated with the movie. Here is his summary. The film company Sony Pictures lifted comedy called "Interview" in which two hapless journalist on assignment CIA kill Kim Jong-un. This story has angered Pyongyang. But all the protests were ignored, as it is known in the United States, freedom of speech. After that unknown hackers, which US officials announced North Korean hacked computer systems of Sony Pictures and even threatened attacks in theaters. As a result, a wide premiere failed, the DPRK has confirmed the reputation of "frostbitten" of the state, and in the US talking about the need to return to North Korea in the list of states - sponsors of terrorism. But is this all just stories?


LoL, "freedom of speech" :DDD


And more about that "freedom" (for the reference, real freedom of speech includes not only "I say what I want" but "I allow others to speak" too. Second part not for USA, obviously :D )

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/27/north_korea/

North Korea is the third time in the last week was cut off from the global network. According to USA Today, Saturday, December 27, from 19:30 (13:30 Moscow time) in the country there are disruptions of Internet and network 3G.

It is noted that the problem started a few hours after a representative of the National Defense Commission of the DPRK compared the actions of US President Barack Obama "with the behavior of monkeys in the rainforest."
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Message 1619652 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 6:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 1618911.  
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Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up

Hell doctor who score 100,000 only 8 hrs after it's put up so Fat Kim has made a lot about noting .

Hey Fat Kim worry about your weight instead of a comedy and have a laugh at your self maybe you will lose a few kg rolling on the floor with laughter .

The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on.
The hell with North Korea.
They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message.
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Message 1619660 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 6:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 1619652.  

Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up

Hell doctor who score 100,000 only 8 hrs after it's put up so Fat Kim has made a lot about noting .

Hey Fat Kim worry about your weight instead of a comedy and have a laugh at your self maybe you will lose a few kg rolling on the floor with laughter .

The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on.
The hell with North Korea.
They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message.

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

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Message 1619686 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 7:37:18 UTC - in response to Message 1619660.  

Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up

Hell doctor who score 100,000 only 8 hrs after it's put up so Fat Kim has made a lot about noting .

Hey Fat Kim worry about your weight instead of a comedy and have a laugh at your self maybe you will lose a few kg rolling on the floor with laughter .

The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on.
The hell with North Korea.
They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message.

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

Which begs the question. How do North Korean hackers gain access to hack other countries computers? Maybe China has to call off the dogs? Or risk being called on it.
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Message 1619695 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 8:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 1619686.  

Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up

Hell doctor who score 100,000 only 8 hrs after it's put up so Fat Kim has made a lot about noting .

Hey Fat Kim worry about your weight instead of a comedy and have a laugh at your self maybe you will lose a few kg rolling on the floor with laughter .

The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on.
The hell with North Korea.
They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message.

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

Which begs the question. How do North Korean hackers gain access to hack other countries computers? Maybe China has to call off the dogs? Or risk being called on it.

I was wondering the same, personally I don't think they could be capable of the hacks. China would just say, hey we've noticed a bit more traffic than usual flowing. You are now cut off.
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Message 1619696 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 8:09:38 UTC - in response to Message 1619686.  

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

Which begs the question. How do North Korean hackers gain access to hack other countries computers? Maybe China has to call off the dogs? Or risk being called on it.

Same way any other hacker does. They send a message to an IRC server and channel which the botnet is monitoring. One message and millions of computers go to work.

I tried to lookup what bandwidth DPRK has, but no data. They have more than dialup, but is it more than SETI? Don't know.

As to that huge data dump, the limitation might not be how fast they could download it, but how fast could Sony's connection upload it! One would like to think Sony didn't have their corporate network on the same connection as their playstation network or streaming media.
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Message 1619728 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 10:48:50 UTC - in response to Message 1619660.  

Must be a realy crap movie or everyone is busy with chrismas as only 20,000 downloads on the torrent sites so far 24hrs after it went up
Hell doctor who score 100,000 only 8 hrs after it's put up so Fat Kim has made a lot about noting .
Hey Fat Kim worry about your weight instead of a comedy and have a laugh at your self maybe you will lose a few kg rolling on the floor with laughter .

The movie looked stupid just from the commercials. No way would I go see it. I wont watch it no matter what media it comes out on.
The hell with North Korea.
They bark a good game. I would not be suprised if it was China that pulled the plug on the rabid dogs internet they help prop up, Just to send a message.

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

From what I have read North Korea only have a few thousands peoples that have access to Internet normally.
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Message 1619904 - Posted: 28 Dec 2014, 22:56:59 UTC - in response to Message 1618090.  

It seems to me to be be incongruous that North Korea is responsible for the HACK etc. It seems just as plausible to me that SONY perpetrated a Hoax in an attempt to save a stupid, dog of a movie.

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Message 1619967 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 2:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 1619904.  


"they hate us because they ain't us"


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Yes, the movie insults North Korea. It also insults Eminem, the CIA, reality TV, TV production in general, and American values in general. In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in.

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Message 1619973 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 2:56:34 UTC

In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in.


Yep. However. DO NOT INSULT MOHAMMED. Our PitifulPeacePrizin'Prez had The Maker of 'THE MOVIE' Credited with WORLDWIDE PROTESTS, Deaths, and Benghazi Attacks- because of Mohammed's Unworthy Portrayal-Arrested and Jailed.

Hustlin'Hussein DID NOT say: 'Go to The Movies' with dat One. Oh No. Heeba Habba No. Yo.

And The Mohammed Movie was Removed from Almost All Distribution.

So, ODD Indeed. But So Usual, fO The Worst Prez in History.

Yep.

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1619997 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 5:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1619696.  

If I'm not mistaken all of their internet does actually go through China on a single link. And it's only accessible to the top people in North Korea. The "people" just have an intranet.

Which begs the question. How do North Korean hackers gain access to hack other countries computers? Maybe China has to call off the dogs? Or risk being called on it.

Same way any other hacker does. They send a message to an IRC server and channel which the botnet is monitoring. One message and millions of computers go to work.

I tried to lookup what bandwidth DPRK has, but no data. They have more than dialup, but is it more than SETI? Don't know.

As to that huge data dump, the limitation might not be how fast they could download it, but how fast could Sony's connection upload it! One would like to think Sony didn't have their corporate network on the same connection as their playstation network or streaming media.

I also had the thought that maybe they could use satelites to get web access to hack.
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Message 1620002 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 5:14:40 UTC - in response to Message 1619973.  

In an odd 21st century kind of way, being insulted in a Hollywood B movie is your sign that you have arrived. North Korea should be happy because of the company they find themselves in.


Yep. However. DO NOT INSULT MOHAMMED. Our PitifulPeacePrizin'Prez had The Maker of 'THE MOVIE' Credited with WORLDWIDE PROTESTS, Deaths, and Benghazi Attacks- because of Mohammed's Unworthy Portrayal-Arrested and Jailed.

Hustlin'Hussein DID NOT say: 'Go to The Movies' with dat One. Oh No. Heeba Habba No. Yo.

And The Mohammed Movie was Removed from Almost All Distribution.

So, ODD Indeed. But So Usual, fO The Worst Prez in History.

Yep.

Don't you just hate it when religious people try to get things banned?

Never mind, just remember, always look on the bright side of life.
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Message 1620328 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 21:56:58 UTC

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Dr. HOHUM been Doin' Dat fO 400 Years. Always LOOKIN' UP and Seein' THE BRIGHT side of Life. Day or Night. Light and Dark. Sun, Moon, Stars. HuWoManCoolLavaRockin' O Live. Sweetness.

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Message 1620344 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 22:42:58 UTC

So Kim Jong-un called Obama a monkey eh?
Its like he is acting like a republican...



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Message 1620384 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 23:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 1620344.  

So Kim Jong-un called Obama a monkey eh?
Its like he is acting like a republican...




:DDDDDDDDDD

BTW, Sony's advertizment trick was quite successful... Interesting, how many Obama got for helping in that advertizment? Or he was just fooled as child???
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Message 1620590 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 8:54:03 UTC
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USA double standarts on everything just amusing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film)

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Politicians[edit]
The central conceit of Death of a President was much criticised by those who believed it exploited the subject of presidential assassination, and that by doing so, was in bad taste. Gretchen Esell of the Texas Republican Party described the subject matter saying, "I find this shocking, I find it disturbing. I don't know if there are many people in America who would want to watch something like that."[10] Hillary Clinton, then junior United States Senator from New York, told The Journal News of Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam counties at the annual New Castle Community Day in Chappaqua that, "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick."


Sony sick? Or what?...
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Message 1621014 - Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 6:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 1620766.  

USA double standarts on everything just amusing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film)

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Politicians[edit]
The central conceit of Death of a President was much criticised by those who believed it exploited the subject of presidential assassination, and that by doing so, was in bad taste. Gretchen Esell of the Texas Republican Party described the subject matter saying, "I find this shocking, I find it disturbing. I don't know if there are many people in America who would want to watch something like that."[10] Hillary Clinton, then junior United States Senator from New York, told The Journal News of Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam counties at the annual New Castle Community Day in Chappaqua that, "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick."


Sony sick? Or what?...

Double Standard?

If it wasn't for the Sony Hack (by whomever), BOTH Pictures would be failures.

SAME STANDARD.

Note: These Russian attacks are getting absurd.

Clyde. You have to understand that its Ok to bash the US when things dont go right Like the intervention in the Ukraine. Hell we know what its like to be chastized by the whole world. Russia dosent. They have been victimized there whole existence. Didnt you know that?
Why just ask how Poland, East Germany, Estoina. lithuania, and those other counrtrys who HAD to apologize for abusing poor Mother Russia.
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