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Message 1646464 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 15:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 1646461.  

The long term answer is better education. And better public transit.

How do you perceive long term better education?

The UK started clamping down on drink driving in the early 70's - that's 40 years - too short a term?


Don't understand your question. Has the clamp down you mention resulted in a reduction in deaths or accidents related to impaired driving? Did the clamp down include any increased education on the perils of impaired driving?

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Message 1646467 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 15:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 1646464.  

Not what I expected from you. Okay...

Increased advertisements on TV, increased police presence & roadside stops. No it hasn't stopped at all.

So again, what long term education are you suggesting?
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Message 1646478 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 15:48:18 UTC - in response to Message 1646467.  

Better education, apparently. If you are not getting results, try changing your methods. There have been lots of studies showing that increased sentencing has little effect on people's behaviour. Unless you are willing to take these people off the streets, and have them live at taxpayers expense in jail for very long periods of time, you need to find another way.

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Message 1646500 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 16:42:32 UTC - in response to Message 1646478.  

Better education, apparently. If you are not getting results, try changing your methods. There have been lots of studies showing that increased sentencing has little effect on people's behaviour. Unless you are willing to take these people off the streets, and have them live at taxpayers expense in jail for very long periods of time, you need to find another way.

Some ideas and discussion are posted in http://www.roadsafetyanalysis.org/2014/09/is-this-the-end-of-the-golden-era-of-casualty-reduction/

The clearest correlation appears to be "arrange for a recession in the country's economy, because that reduces the volume of road traffic".
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Message 1646502 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 16:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1646478.  

It seems most need better education then...

4 fatalities & 175 injured per day

31% per year

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Message 1646538 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 17:38:21 UTC

I can't help it...the laughter is too much, need some air...

Oops...

"But their Sat Nav didn't tell them they needed a ferry to reach the island - and the boats don't even run at this time of year."

... still can't stop, be back later ROFLMAO.
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Message 1646557 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 18:18:56 UTC

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Message 1646583 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 18:54:58 UTC - in response to Message 1646577.  

For gods sake, half the population can't drive properly when stone cold sober, even less when stoned!

This is where, quite often, you let yourself down & prevent many of your posts from earning a well deserved +1.

So, using your style, please provide actual statistics to back that statement up!

As a fair guess, I can dispute that statement just by using what you have made public: -

420,000 divided by 50 years = an average of 8,400 per annum. Compare that to an average of 85,000/100,000 per annum.

Who would have a better sense of the percentage of "useless" drivers?
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Message 1646694 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 22:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 1646030.  

California

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/25/federal-investigators-say-truck-involved-in-california-train-crash-wasnt-stuck//
Federal investigators say truck involved in California train crash wasn't stuck on tracks

Federal investigators said Wednesday that they are trying to determine why a pickup truck driver drove on to tracks and abandoned his truck, leading to a train crash that left three cars derailed and dozens injured in Southern California.

"It was not stuck, it was not bottomed out on the track or something like that," National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said at a media briefing late Tuesday at the crash site in Oxnard. Officials had said immediately after the crash that the driver got stuck on the tracks.

"We're very concerned about that, we're very interested in it," he said.

The badly wrecked truck's emergency brake was in the on position and its headlight switch was in the high-beams position after the pre-dawn crash, Sumwalt said.

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Message 1646701 - Posted: 25 Feb 2015, 23:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 1646694.  
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/25/federal-investigators-say-truck-involved-in-california-train-crash-wasnt-stuck//
Federal investigators say truck involved in California train crash wasn't stuck on tracks

Federal investigators said Wednesday that they are trying to determine why a pickup truck driver drove on to tracks and abandoned his truck, leading to a train crash that left three cars derailed and dozens injured in Southern California.

"It was not stuck, it was not bottomed out on the track or something like that," National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said at a media briefing late Tuesday at the crash site in Oxnard. Officials had said immediately after the crash that the driver got stuck on the tracks.

"We're very concerned about that, we're very interested in it," he said.

The badly wrecked truck's emergency brake was in the on position and its headlight switch was in the high-beams position after the pre-dawn crash, Sumwalt said.


And the driver has been arrested.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/02/24/train-crash-california-injuries/23931025/

Oxnard Assistant Police Chief Jason Benites said the 54-year-old man from Yuma, Ariz., was arrested Tuesday afternoon.

Benites said Jose Alejandro Sanchez Ramirez abandoned a commercial truck on the tracks and was found about 1 ½ miles away in apparent distress.

The truck drove for a short time on the tracks and was facing the train head-on when the crash occurred, he said.

Three people were in critical condition after suffering injuries in the crash.

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Message 1646776 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 7:52:50 UTC - in response to Message 1646701.  



And the driver has been arrested.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/02/24/train-crash-california-injuries/23931025/

Oxnard Assistant Police Chief Jason Benites said the 54-year-old man from Yuma, Ariz., was arrested Tuesday afternoon.

Benites said Jose Alejandro Sanchez Ramirez abandoned a commercial truck on the tracks and was found about 1 ½ miles away in apparent distress.

The truck drove for a short time on the tracks and was facing the train head-on when the crash occurred, he said.

Three people were in critical condition after suffering injuries in the crash.


My best wishes go out to those affected by this,.....

..., but when I read that bit my sick Aussie humour kicked in, and I thought,.....

..., "Did he miss the 3:10 to Yuma?"

Sorry, but,

Cheers. :-)
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Message 1646967 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 18:53:54 UTC - in response to Message 1646538.  

I can't help it...the laughter is too much, need some air...

Oops...

"But their Sat Nav didn't tell them they needed a ferry to reach the island - and the boats don't even run at this time of year."

... still can't stop, be back later ROFLMAO.

Just shows you how much of a car culture we have here. It probably never even occurred to them that they might not be able to drive there, or that there might be a way other than driving to get there. If they'd been from New York, or Seattle, or even California, then maybe. But from Texas, no way. The car is king there even more than in Cal.

Still, it's pretty stupid of the nav system to not tell them.
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Message 1646983 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 19:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 1646694.  

California

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/25/federal-investigators-say-truck-involved-in-california-train-crash-wasnt-stuck//
Federal investigators say truck involved in California train crash wasn't stuck on tracks

Federal investigators said Wednesday that they are trying to determine why a pickup truck driver drove on to tracks and abandoned his truck, leading to a train crash that left three cars derailed and dozens injured in Southern California.

"It was not stuck, it was not bottomed out on the track or something like that," National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said at a media briefing late Tuesday at the crash site in Oxnard. Officials had said immediately after the crash that the driver got stuck on the tracks.

"We're very concerned about that, we're very interested in it," he said.

The badly wrecked truck's emergency brake was in the on position and its headlight switch was in the high-beams position after the pre-dawn crash, Sumwalt said.

I will be interested to see the NTSB's analysis of the crumple zone design of Metrolink's new cars, developed after the last coouple of wrecks they had. Significantly, did the new design lead to the lack of deaths in this case?
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Message 1646985 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 19:31:22 UTC

NTSB has released a preliminary Executive Summary of the New York Metro North wreck earlier this month. They found twelve 39' sections of the third rail inside the lead car of the train and are investigating how this came to be. They are also testing the interior of the car to see if it met fire protection standards.
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Message 1647030 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 21:29:39 UTC - in response to Message 1646967.  

Still, it's pretty stupid of the nav system to not tell them.

Yes, that is a big issue. Ask your nav system how to get to the USS Arizona memorial and it happily tells you, you can, when you aren't on the island in the middle of the Pacific.
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Message 1647032 - Posted: 26 Feb 2015, 21:32:36 UTC - in response to Message 1646701.  

California

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/25/federal-investigators-say-truck-involved-in-california-train-crash-wasnt-stuck//
Federal investigators say truck involved in California train crash wasn't stuck on tracks

Federal investigators said Wednesday that they are trying to determine why a pickup truck driver drove on to tracks and abandoned his truck, leading to a train crash that left three cars derailed and dozens injured in Southern California.

"It was not stuck, it was not bottomed out on the track or something like that," National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said at a media briefing late Tuesday at the crash site in Oxnard. Officials had said immediately after the crash that the driver got stuck on the tracks.

"We're very concerned about that, we're very interested in it," he said.

The badly wrecked truck's emergency brake was in the on position and its headlight switch was in the high-beams position after the pre-dawn crash, Sumwalt said.


And the driver has been arrested.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/02/24/train-crash-california-injuries/23931025/

Oxnard Assistant Police Chief Jason Benites said the 54-year-old man from Yuma, Ariz., was arrested Tuesday afternoon.

Benites said Jose Alejandro Sanchez Ramirez abandoned a commercial truck on the tracks and was found about 1 ½ miles away in apparent distress.

The truck drove for a short time on the tracks and was facing the train head-on when the crash occurred, he said.

Three people were in critical condition after suffering injuries in the crash.

And released without charges ...
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/02/26/no-charges-filed-against-truck-driver-accused-in-metrolink-train-crash/
The district attorney’s office announced Thursday that a 54-year-old truck driver will not face charges in connection to the Metrolink train crash.

According to the Ventura County District Attorney’s Office, Jose Alejandro Sanchez Ramirez, of Yuma, Arizona, abandoned his 2005 F-450 produce truck, which was hauling a trailer with welding equipment, after it got stuck on the train tracks on Tuesday.

Ramirez’s attorneys say he did everything he could to remove his truck, but when he saw the train approaching, he left the scene.

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Message 1647263 - Posted: 27 Feb 2015, 13:25:41 UTC - in response to Message 1647183.  
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Can't think where else to put this

On-line pleas

The service is an alternative to a postal plea or attending court and has been used by more than 1,200 people during the Manchester trial.

How long has the trial been running, a week?
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Message 1647373 - Posted: 27 Feb 2015, 18:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 1647263.  

Can't think where else to put this

On-line pleas

The service is an alternative to a postal plea or attending court and has been used by more than 1,200 people during the Manchester trial.

How long has the trial been running, a week?

Can they then pay their fines online as well, like any other bill?
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Message 1647591 - Posted: 28 Feb 2015, 2:43:22 UTC

I just realized when this news broke yesterday that I could well have been on his jury if he had had one.
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