Not that many intersections have cameras, and I don't know of any that are steerable. Mostly just for red light enforcement. Chicago has some for speed, with much attendant controversy. Ostensibly, they're to keep kids safe near schools and parks, but everyone knows they're really just revenue generators. They're very good at that.

In California the Red Light and Speed cameras were declared unconstitutional and ordered turned off.

State or US Constitution?

IIRC Federal, but it was decided at the bottom rung of state court. I think the city didn't want to waste $$ on an appeal. The lawyers would cost more than the revenue from the tickets. If I remember the gist, it was because the camera system was rented and the company was the one issuing the citations, not sworn police officers.

In response to which, some cities station sworn Traffic Officers at the monitoring station to issue the citations. They view the video, then sign the tickets. If enough money is involved, they find a way to make it work.....

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

Not that many intersections have cameras, and I don't know of any that are steerable. Mostly just for red light enforcement. Chicago has some for speed, with much attendant controversy. Ostensibly, they're to keep kids safe near schools and parks, but everyone knows they're really just revenue generators. They're very good at that.

In California the Red Light and Speed cameras were declared unconstitutional and ordered turned off.

State or US Constitution?

IIRC Federal, but it was decided at the bottom rung of state court. I think the city didn't want to waste $$ on an appeal. The lawyers would cost more than the revenue from the tickets. If I remember the gist, it was because the camera system was rented and the company was the one issuing the citations, not sworn police officers.

In response to which, some cities station sworn Traffic Officers at the monitoring station to issue the citations. They view the video, then sign the tickets. If enough money is involved, they find a way to make it work.....

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BOINC WIKI

Air Canada propeller crashes through aircraft fuselage hitting passenger in the head in emergency landing

When I was in the USAF 72-80 they had a red line painted on the fusalge of where the prop would would be. Why would you have a seat direct in line on the inside? But then who knows which way that bad boy goes on belly landing.

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There is a requirement for fuselage reinforcement in the plane of the prop blade, but that is aimed at ice chunks being flung off. The path taken by anything coming off the prop (like a chunk of blade) is fairly complicated, and depends on the power being produced at the time the chunk comes off. A blade under power comes off moving out and forward, a blade at lower speed and flat pitch could come off going out and rearwards.

If you want to cover all the possibilities you end up with a big stretch of fuselage off limits. Not likely to happen in today's economics. Remember, this is the industry that is proposing to get rid of seats completely, to jam more cattle, er, passengers in.

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Thanks Bill for the technical explanation. I can see how that would work.
I did forget that the bean counters prefer profits over safety:(

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Old James

I did forget that the bean counters prefer profits over safety:(

History may well record that our current civilization was destroyed by accountants focusing on the next quarterly statement.

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I did forget that the bean counters prefer profits over safety:(

History may well record that our current civilization was destroyed by accountants focusing on the next quarterly statement.

And bean counters don't care if one lives or dies, profit is all they care about.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

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Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

I stand corrected Uli, My late aunt was an accountant, She cared too.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

As I am still a German Setizen, I can't do much on the National/State level, but I can improve my neightborhood.

Good enough for me.

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Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

Yes we do. CEO's may force us to give them expected costs of ignoring a problem, but it doesn't mean we don't care.

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Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

I stand corrected Uli,

Thankyou.

Right, but there have been some really bad decisions made by bean counters. If anyone remembers the Fort Pinto and exploding gas tanks? Some bean counter did the math and figured that if the average death cost the company a certain amount of money, it would be cheaper to save $0.50 / and pay the judgements for deaths caused by the faulty gas tanks than to pay the $0.50 / car and avoid the deaths.

Somehow the courts got hold of the memo and upped the award per death to a number large enough so that saving the $0.50 was decidedly not worth it.

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BOINC WIKI

I care! I have sold cars and never one I would not have used to transport my kids in.

I have a problem with folks who have all their keys on one ring.

Sorry, but my female Friends are the biggest problem.

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Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

I stand corrected Uli,

Thankyou.

Right, but there have been some really bad decisions made by bean counters. If anyone remembers the Ford Pinto and exploding gas tanks? Some bean counter did the math and figured that if the average death cost the company a certain amount of money, it would be cheaper to save $0.50 / and pay the judgements for deaths caused by the faulty gas tanks than to pay the $0.50 / car and avoid the deaths.

Somehow the courts got hold of the memo and upped the award per death to a number large enough so that saving the $0.50 was decidedly not worth it.

Yeah I remember, glad I never owned one, Ford had a similar problem with Crown Victoria's, but I think Ford had learned its lesson, this time they made a fix for it. Though only for that, Ford had a problem with the 2005-2006 Mustang, the Master Power Relay would suck the battery dry when temps were low enough for snow and the car was parked outside, you'd have a dead battery, I had that happen, the dealer didn't want to fix that under warranty, they denied there is/was a problem and just charged the battery and sent Me on My way, I later found out the dealer was being duplicitous with Me, they wanted to buy the car back for $24,000.00(I found this out afterwards, they had no guts and no honor), fix it and sell the Mustang to someone else, needless to say I got rid of the car somewhere else and for less, since I couldn't get the car fixed(I was very frustrated), the dealer has recently changed ownership, from Soutars to the Mojave Auto Group and I think Soutars owned a lot of the used car lots in Barstow CA, a few months before the sale the used car dealers vanished from town, now it's just MAG or go to Victorville, there is nothing else. I can't afford the payments for even a used car and I'm not legally able to save up enough so that I could afford the payments, but then I operate under rules that are unchanged since 1972 and that the next congress is not in the least interested in changing for the better... So I like My Dad before Me, I don't trust all Ford Dealers...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Not true Vic. Some of us Bean Counters care.

I stand corrected Uli,

Thankyou.

Right, but there have been some really bad decisions made by bean counters. If anyone remembers the Fort Pinto and exploding gas tanks? Some bean counter did the math and figured that if the average death cost the company a certain amount of money, it would be cheaper to save $0.50 / and pay the judgements for deaths caused by the faulty gas tanks than to pay the $0.50 / car and avoid the deaths.

Somehow the courts got hold of the memo and upped the award per death to a number large enough so that saving the $0.50 was decidedly not worth it.

The bean counter didn't make that decision, the CEO made that decision after he asked a bean counter how much to fix and how much will not fix cost and then asked a lawyer how much hot water not fix would make. Bean counters provide information on how many beans there are. Other jerks, fools and idiots make decisions based on them.

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Adding to what Chris has said, they are often reluctant to include in their sums the "cost of failure".

I recall one event where engineering said "It will cost a lot to repair all this lot when they fail in 6-9 months (and gave a repair figure)". Accountants said, "But using this material and process is much cheaper". The accountants won the argument which was loud and vernacular on both sides. Seven months later the first in-service failures came back for repair, and that first group of repairs alone wiped out the savings of using the cheaper material as premature in-service failures also ran up in-service demurage costs. I've never seen accountants eating so much humble pie as every single item that had been repaired using the "cheap" stuff failed within 9 months of entry into service.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Don't get me started on bean counters I could fill a book with problems caused by bean counters in industry, including the collapse of a business that had no debts and several pots of cash in under a year.

The focus on the next quarter comes from the CEO having to make the "earnings call" to the investment bankers. If they don't like what he says, the stock tanks and as the CEO is paid in stock .......

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Gary has the symptom, but the cause remains the pursuit of money, regardless of other results. It is easy to count money, and therefore easy to compare your financial results and efforts to others, so too many people focus on those numbers only. History will tell if we missed some other important results along the way.

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