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Message 1688301 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 22:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 1687690.  

The plane must be found.

Underwater search for MH370 could end next year, Australia says

(CNN)The underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could come to an end in the first half of next year.

Search teams have been combing a vast area of the seafloor in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean, hunting for traces of the passenger jet and the 239 people it was carrying.

The search zone, where officials believe the Boeing 777 is most likely to have ended up, was expanded earlier this year from 60,000 square kilometers to 120,000 kilometers, bigger than the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/04/asia/australia-malaysia-mh370-missing-plane/
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Message 1689015 - Posted: 7 Jun 2015, 20:01:42 UTC

the hunt will never stop...'cause it never stops to any of the air crashes!

it took some years to find Airbus crashed in Atlantic...& they found it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#2011_search_and_recovery
2y it took for them to find it & they did!

same principles goes here! ;)


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Message 1689043 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 0:41:21 UTC - in response to Message 1689015.  

the hunt will never stop...'cause it never stops to any of the air crashes!

it took some years to find Airbus crashed in Atlantic...& they found it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#2011_search_and_recovery
2y it took for them to find it & they did!

same principles goes here! ;)

The difference is that the Airbus was on it's flight plan so they knew where to search. Even so it wasn't found immediately. The problem with MH370 is that they aren't even 100.00% sure it crashed. Assuming that it did (which I believe to be true) there is no reliable data that points to a specific location where to even start looking. If they had a reliable coordinate set for when the plane started it's fall maybe it could be found. Lastly the search is costing a lot of money and eventually the agency with the deepest pockets will have to give up.
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Message 1689049 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 1:27:08 UTC

Here is a list of aircraft that were never found after they took off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aerial_disappearances
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Message 1689050 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 1:39:23 UTC - in response to Message 1689043.  

Bob your right and seeing as we have the Dumb Dumb prime minister who's whinging about the government's budget he'll find a excuse to pull the plug on the search , even tho the Australian Gov is not actually paying for it
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Message 1689396 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 5:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 1689050.  

This article explains my question, why no debris from MH370.


Texas A&M at Qatar Mathematician Offers Theory on What Happened to MH370

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The plight of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 (MH370) is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history, but an interdisciplinary research team led by Texas A&M University at Qatar mathematician Goong Chen has theorized the ill-fated plane plunged vertically into the southern Indian Ocean in March 2014.

The researchers' computer simulations lead to the forensic assertion that a 90-degree nosedive explains the lack of debris or spilled oil in the water near where the plane is presumed to have crashed. The research was the cover story in the April 2015 issue of Notices of the American Mathematical Society (see the team's paper here.)

Chen is an applied mathematician teaching and researching at Texas A&M at Qatar who has been a faculty member in the Department of Mathematics at Texas A&M University's main campus in College Station, Texas, USA since 1987. He led the interdisciplinary team of collaborators from Texas A&M, Penn State, Virginia Tech, MIT and the Qatar Environment and Energy Research Institute (QEERI) in simulating and modeling what might have happened to the plane. His research is supported by the QNRF National Priority Research Project Grant #5-674-1-114.

http://www.science.tamu.edu/news/story.php?story_ID=1418#.VXZ9HEYuoVA
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Message 1689405 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 6:42:19 UTC - in response to Message 1689396.  

This article explains my question, why no debris from MH370.


Texas A&M at Qatar Mathematician Offers Theory on What Happened to MH370

DOHA, Qatar --
The plight of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 (MH370) is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history, but an interdisciplinary research team led by Texas A&M University at Qatar mathematician Goong Chen has theorized the ill-fated plane plunged vertically into the southern Indian Ocean in March 2014.

The researchers' computer simulations lead to the forensic assertion that a 90-degree nosedive explains the lack of debris or spilled oil in the water near where the plane is presumed to have crashed. The research was the cover story in the April 2015 issue of Notices of the American Mathematical Society (see the team's paper here.)

Chen is an applied mathematician teaching and researching at Texas A&M at Qatar who has been a faculty member in the Department of Mathematics at Texas A&M University's main campus in College Station, Texas, USA since 1987. He led the interdisciplinary team of collaborators from Texas A&M, Penn State, Virginia Tech, MIT and the Qatar Environment and Energy Research Institute (QEERI) in simulating and modeling what might have happened to the plane. His research is supported by the QNRF National Priority Research Project Grant #5-674-1-114.

http://www.science.tamu.edu/news/story.php?story_ID=1418#.VXZ9HEYuoVA

Not necessarily buying it. While that may explain the first few feet of going under, as the depth increased, unless the ditch valves were open, there should have been a point where there was an implosion which would have released some floating debris. Not knowing the geometry as it sinks, and the amount of trapped air, I might expect that implosion before the depth of the bottom even if the cabin is half filled.

As to oil, that depends on what happens in the engines. High speed vertical contact with water I would expect to shear some oil piping, although the leak could be slow. Certainly they would separate from the airframe.

Hydraulic fluid, would leak from severed piping, engines, wings and tail, but perhaps over time.

As to lack of jet fuel from the wing tanks, expected in the case of fuel starvation. However the empty tanks would implode, but I don't know if that would cause enough damage for debris.

But he has not indicated if the autopilot would fly the aircraft to the surface without it stalling. That might depend on the autopilot mode. If it did so, then a ditching landing might have happened. If so I'd expect the cabin to be nearly full of water before it sank, thus averting an implosion.
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Message 1689480 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 14:00:10 UTC

My hunch is that MH370 will never be found.
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Message 1689682 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 7:09:47 UTC - in response to Message 1689480.  

My hunch is that MH370 will never be found.

"Never say never!" - James Bond


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Message 1689740 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 10:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 1689682.  

Perhaps professor CHEN would like to do a perfect dive off of the Golden Gate Bridge to prove his conjecture. Looks like something you might see in the Daily Mail.
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Message 1689757 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 11:41:42 UTC - in response to Message 1689682.  

My hunch is that MH370 will never be found.

"Never say never!" - James Bond

Yes, but James Bond is a work of fiction.
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Message 1696601 - Posted: 29 Jun 2015, 0:19:46 UTC - in response to Message 1689757.  
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Thanks everyone for the replies. :)

New Theory?


Batteries offer best explanation for MH370 crash: investigator



A SIMPLE new theory for MH370’s disappearance points the finger directly at the 221kg of lithium ion batteries on board.

US pilot and aviation engineer Bruce Robertson has outlined the theory on his website, based on known facts about the Malaysia Airlines flight and what it was carrying.

He suggests the lithium ion batteries caught fire sending a cloud of deadly carbon monoxide into the cabin.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/batteries-offer-best-explanation-for-mh370-crash-investigator/story-fnizu68q-1227419131035
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Message 1696617 - Posted: 29 Jun 2015, 1:53:31 UTC

Interesting Lynn thanks . I've thought for some time they are to far south so Exmouth would seem to be the place i would be looking at not Perth , to far south
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Message 1706334 - Posted: 29 Jul 2015, 17:41:17 UTC - in response to Message 1696617.  

Stay tuned.

Debris in Indian Ocean checked for MH370 ties

(CNN)Apparent airplane debris found off the coast of Reunion island, a French department in the western Indian Ocean, is being examined to see if it is connected to the 2014 disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a member of the French Air Force in Reunion said Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh370-debris-investigation/
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Message 1706473 - Posted: 29 Jul 2015, 22:30:06 UTC - in response to Message 1706334.  

Debris found in the Indian Ocean appears to be part of a Boeing 777, the type of airliner flown by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared in 2014, a source says.

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Message 1706684 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 18:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 1706473.  

MH370: Wreckage found on Reunion Island ‘very likely from a Boeing 777’

THE discovery of what looks to be the first piece of debris from the missing MH370 is the strongest indication yet the $180 million search for the plane is being conducted in the right place.

The aircraft flaperon, identical to that of a Boeing 777, was found on a beach of Reunion Island more than 6000km west of Perth and will be sent to France for investigation.

Oceanographers and other experts said the discovery was “absolutely consistent” with drift modelling based around MH370’s likely resting place in the southern Indian Ocean.

A suitcase has also washed ashore at the same location as the aircraft flaperon but as yet there is no confirmation the suitcase is linked to the earlier debris.


Part of an aircraft wing that washed up at Reunion Island. Picture: Supplied.


Johnny Begue in Saint-Andre ... The remains of a suitcase found the day before on the same site where Johnny and his fellow association members also found a two-metre (six-foot) long piece of plane wreckage. Picture: AFP/ Linfo.re/Antenne Réunion Source: AFP


http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh370-wreckage-found-on-reunion-island-very-likely-from-a-boeing-777/story-fnizu68q-1227463968773
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Message 1706802 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 22:04:25 UTC

If it is from a 777, I don't think any others are missing a flaperon so it has to be MH370's. Unfortunately, one part isn't going to tell us anything about why. Likely the only part that can address that is the cockpit voice recorder. The what, when, where, how answers will come from the flight data recorder. We already know who was on board.
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Message 1706809 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 22:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 1706802.  

If it is from a 777, I don't think any others are missing a flaperon so it has to be MH370's. Unfortunately, one part isn't going to tell us anything about why. Likely the only part that can address that is the cockpit voice recorder. The what, when, where, how answers will come from the flight data recorder. We already know who was on board.


I agree with you Gary. Might be long time till they get to black boxes.
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Message 1706811 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 22:40:20 UTC - in response to Message 1706809.  

This just in..

U.S. intelligence assessment focuses on cockpit activities of MH370

(CNN)A preliminary assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies, produced in the wake of the MH370 disaster, suggested it was likely someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft's movements to go off course before the Malaysian airliner disappeared.

Two U.S. officials briefed on the matter said the assessment, which was not intended for public release, was prepared months ago and was solely based on available satellite and other evidence, and not based on more detailed findings by investigators. Another government official said the assessment is the most current view of U.S. officials based on what is known so far about the plane's fate.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/politics/mh370-cockpit-activities-u-s-intelligence/index.html
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Message 1706819 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 22:54:22 UTC

Well if they can establish that the part is from the B-777 one conspiracy theory is dead and the plane won't be carrying explosives into any highly populated areas.
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