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Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
Even when you were a moderator you misunderstood the reason for hiding posts and banishing users. Still throwing your former mods under the bus. Before the existence of Fred the memory of "do this, do that, I'll take the heat" with nothing but denials when all was said and done is still strong. Fred, by design, doesn't have direct access to the SETI@home server machines, so he can't tell you anything that's not available through the web interface. Until Fred walks into the office and uses his own account. Unless you're saying that Fred isn't a staff member which goes against the policy at Fred's creation that it must be a staff member, albeit a rotating one. It would not take many billable hours by lawyers to swing that cost-benefit analysis in the opposite direction. Translation: Hey everyone, Blurf is trying to bankrupt the project! (Eric to Burf, "Don't worry about retaliation, I'll take the heat.") me@rescam.org |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Eric-I wasn't coming to you because you told me you aren't interested in any discussion or responsibility over the forums anymore-suddenly you are. I'm confused. Thanks for the thoughts and the information-I do appreciate it |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
Misfit, If I were throwing people under the bus, you would have gone under a long time ago and you'd still be there. If you feel you've been treated unfairly, then I claim your views are distorted. Let's not go digging in that graveyard. Not everyone in the SETI group has accounts on the servers, and certainly not everyone working at the lab. I don't have accounts on several of the SETI group machines. Let's remember that I am absolute dictator of this little universe. Such policies are written by me and are subject to change with or without notice, at my whim. They are not an agreement with you. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
Eric-I wasn't coming to you because you told me you aren't interested in any discussion or responsibility over the forums anymore-suddenly you are. I'm confused. I certainly don't want to be involved. I'm far too busy to take time out for the forums (especially this week) but when law enforcement is involved I have no choice. If Fred were to get called I would end up on the phone anyway. But even more to the point, there's only so much a Fred will put up with before I have to find a new Fred. Nobody who has ever had the job before will ever agree to do it again. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
So your solution to someone with a mental illness and alcoholism is to ban them and have them thrown in jail? I can understand the temptation, but you are always portraying yourself as a compassionate person and I am not seeing that at all in your post. Is this how you deal with those who come to you for drug counseling? Or do you try to help with the actual problem they have? As for people who were in my therapeutic situations--they were in therapy. They were at a point of being ready to work on their issues-whether court mandated or voluntarily. There is nothing we can do here, Esme. A full evaluation by a skilled Mental Health/Substance Abuse professional is needed I believe. I believe he's even beyond AA. ..and yes, I remember your "stalking" problem at the time which it turned out to have nothing to do with the project even though you told everyone it did. I never directly said it was anyone from the project. If anything I said I was looking in all directions which was what I was directed to do. It seems to me that the project are actually doing something to try and reign in Mark in a compassionate and humane way. So I am wondering what you think you are actually hoping to achieve and why you think your way is better? The project is not doing anything but enabling him. I don't believe anyone affiliated with Seti can help him by allowing him to continue acting as he does. As to the statement that we are his family I merely say No. As to supporting people in the past, that discussion would involve specifics that were mod-list only and/or hidden by past mods. I'm not going to go there. I will defer to what Eric said in a post just a bit ago "Let's not go digging in that graveyard." |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
The PM system is not a part of the forums. If we were going to control what is said there, we would need the moderators to read them all. If you'd like us to implement this, Misfit, we will begin with your account, and bring Esme back as a moderator just for you. Just say the word. We provide users with tools to avoid getting PMs from people they don't like. That protects us from liability and prevents us from having to violate people's privacy. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Blurf's posturing and threats to the project over one private message are different I think than a constructive discussion on what should actually be done. Blurf isn't discussing, he is ordering and demanding and I don't think that is helpful at all. I have made no demands and/or threats in this thread..none. I requested "Fred" be involved to try to get some further understanding and factor all into my decision-he/she did. I asked questions-"Fred" and Eric answered. I'm good with it. I am sorry but I personally do not believe we can do anything to help him. Do I miss the old fun Sattler with kitty pics and such--absolutely. I dread reading on Fridays and seeing the pre-ban posts where he makes racially abusive/homophobic statements. Do I fear for him driving intoxicated and killing someone--absolutely. These are not things we can help him address. Numerous people have pleaded with him (incl myself)-privately and publically- for him to get direct help. If you want such a discussion, then please--what do you think could be done to effectively address the concerns several people (not only myself) have expressed? |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
The PM system is not a part of the forums. If we were going to control what is said there, we would need the moderators to read them all. If you'd like us to implement this, Misfit, we will begin with your account, and bring Esme back as a moderator just for you. Just say the word. So if I read this correctly Ms. Costco would be a PM mod? Oh that would be wonderful! Not only will that cause trust issues across the entire board with Admin my counter-intelligence operation would have a field day! Oh this is an emotional side that I've never seen of you before. It's like looking into a load of laundry in the washing machine only to discover too late you left a Kleenex in your pocket. But even more to the point, there's only so much a Fred will put up with before I have to find a new Fred. Nobody who has ever had the job before will ever agree to do it again. I volunteer to be the next Fred. Bring it. me@rescam.org |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
The banishment times for Mark must be longer, this is just ridiculous repetitions over and over again. Let me repost an earlier post from someone else...Es, it's not only me with concerns. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
[quoteI never directly said it was anyone from the project. If anything I said I was looking in all directions which was what I was directed to do.[/quote] No Blurf, you quire specifically named names and concocted elaborate scenarios that directly implicated people from the project. To what ends I can only guess, but I haven't forgotten. I never directly accused anyone from here...never. I truly believe you are incorrect, Es. If you feel so inclined, quote posts please. As to the statement that we are his family I merely say No. As to supporting people in the past, that discussion would involve specifics that were mod-list only and/or hidden by past mods. I'm not going to go there. I will defer to what Eric said in a post just a bit ago "Let's not go digging in that graveyard." Then I suggest you drop your "outrage" about a single pm and try to recall how you enabled some very unpleasant characters to behave far worse. Again..."Let's not go digging in that graveyard." Of course I will continue to try to remain civil to you Blurf, but you have a long way to go before you regain any shred of credibility in my eyes. |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
I volunteer to be the next Fred. Bring it. Sorry, our policy is not to give the job to anyone who actually wants it. Application denied. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
The PM system is not a part of the forums. If we were going to control what is said there, we would need the moderators to read them all. If you'd like us to implement this, Misfit, we will begin with your account, and bring Esme back as a moderator just for you. Just say the word. As a former mod I agree. Some of you have complaints about todays moderation. Go back to the early days of the cafe and read the threads that are still open. Back then Mods were gods. If you had a buddy that was a mod you were golden. If they didnt like you, you got a post hidden or bannished outright. Most threads are hidden unless you are a mod to see them, But go back and see what mayhem went on back then. There are enough open to read that will make you sick of what went on. And now all this acrimony, What the hell is going on? I have not seen this much dischord since the decision was made to undo all the permabanned people from the modlist fiasco. I like these forums. They are alive with posts. I do back up for Milkyway and Einstein, Ever try to have a live dicussion on any one of them? I just hope that Eric does not say the hell with it and close all of the forums. It would be a shame that a few idiots would spoil it for the rest of us. I will still crunch,But id miss a lot of my friends in here. [/quote] Old James |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
And now all this acrimony, What the hell is going on? ... I got lucky with Einstein recently with a technical question - but ended up just having little chats with myself on Cosmology. The cafe's there do look sort of dead... I just hope that Eric does not say the hell with it and close all of the forums. I would miss the forums terribly :( and all the lovely people on them :( They brighten what are sometimes grim days/nights for me :( |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Hi anniet, the forums on Einstein used to be a haven for us to escape to when it got really nasty here. Perhaps time for another visit.. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
I'm not bothered by anyone, at least I don't let them bother me. Seti@home is my haven and I won't let anyone chase me away here! Au contraire I have about € 500.000 laid away for the project (not kidding) but on the other hand I hope my granddad lives a happy and prosperous life of course so we might have to wait for the money a few more years. I will do everything within my power to stop anyone who tries to endanger the project or its participants with their hearts in the right place. rOZZ Music Pictures |
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