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Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
This is not the best of times. Yes and the same capitulators are at work today as they were in the 60s. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The clock is ticking down...... Ticking time bomb ...and this will not help stop the clock! Europe should impose stiffer penalties |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
It is time for Western Europe to be the tip of the spear on this one. If they don't have the stomach for it they can learn to speak Russian and swap Euros for Rubles. |
TRuEQ & TuVaLu Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 505 Credit: 69,523,653 RAC: 10 |
It is time for Western Europe to be the tip of the spear on this one. If they don't have the stomach for it they can learn to speak Russian and swap Euros for Rubles. Is that a promise? |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Can you say WW III? Things are getting serious. Did Putin put Syria up to this? If so score one for US (Turkish F-16) zero for Putin (Syrian MiG-23). This is what I'm talking about, supply the spears and cheer them on, Next. Turkish jet downs Syrian warplane near border |
TRuEQ & TuVaLu Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 505 Credit: 69,523,653 RAC: 10 |
Can you say WW III? Things are getting serious. Did Putin put Syria up to this? If so score one for US (Turkish F-16) zero for Putin (Syrian MiG-23). This is what I'm talking about, supply the spears and cheer them on, Next. Sweden is known to be the first to supply military hospitals... |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Sweden is known to be the first to supply military hospitals... That is why US should not put boots on the ground; would you ever see a license plate motto like this over there? Why aren't the Ukrainians cracking off a few rounds from dark corners? If Putin invaded Newark NJ's South Ward he would learn what real thugs do when their turf is violated. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22199 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
And a few days later the gentle citizens of NH would learn that their real thugs are nothing more than bear fodder... the Ukrainians have learned how violent the Russians can be, and may well be sitting back for them to make a very silly move - the best resistance is that which comes from an apparently passive area, not from one that is being continuously aggressive. The passive area will have the fewest and least prepared troops, while the aggressive area will have the best and most battle hardened ones. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
The real issue with Ukraine isn't Putin or Russia. The real issue is their own current "government" that ignores needs of eastern/south regions, promotes nationalism in its ugliest form, begs for charities from West, makes stupid statements that targeted against Russia... and does absolutely nothing to improve economics of own country and life quality of own peoples. That's the issue. Hence constant riots in eastern regions. They refuse to aknowledge such "government" (and they absolutely right, armed coup can't be good basis for lagalisation). SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
And a few days later the gentle citizens of NH would learn that their real thugs are nothing more than bear fodder.. NH, New Hampshire, doesn't have thugs. They are as main stream as they come. Parts of NJ, New Jersey have the thugs. Many in the US want to drive the UN in to the sea because they consider it a foreign influence within our boarders. Watching Putin embarrass the Ukrainian army making them drag their belongs off their bases with their tail between there legs proves they are not worth one drop of US blood. I know something about what a people with courage can do if they have the cojones. If I was in a fox hole I would rather be with a squad of Viet Cong then the entire Ukrainian army. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I know something about what a people with courage can do if they have the cojones. If I was in a fox hole I would rather be with a squad of Viet Cong then the entire Ukrainian army. Yes the world already knows.... ..Iraq & Afghanistan! Edit: - BTW, that really was not the right force to compare....after all the VC & NVA kicked your butt for you. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
And a few days later the gentle citizens of NH would learn that their real thugs are nothing more than bear fodder.. Thank god then that you are not part of the Ukrainian army. You realize that by resisting they would have caused an international incident (at least from Russia's POV) and given Russia all the excuses it needed to attack the rest of Ukraine. Thank god these soldiers saw the bigger picture and didn't contribute to any further escalation. Oh, and as for what Russia does when it runs into thugs, just look at the two little wars they fought in Chechnya. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
BTW, that really was not the right force to compare....after all the VC & NVA kicked your butt for you. OT but US never had a Dien Bien Phu. I am personally aware of that part of US history, that is why I said a squad of Viet Cong is worth more than the entire Ukrainian army. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
In the 19th century, the Afghans kicked the bejabbers out of the British, in the 20th century the Afghans kicked the bejabbers out of the Russians and in the 21st century, have you won yet? We all know & agree that the USA was/is the world's policeman, but for gawd's sake, cut back on the overbearing arrogance for once! |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
BTW, that really was not the right force to compare....after all the VC & NVA kicked your butt for you. You realize that standard Vietcong behavior was first to suffer heavy casualties and then disengaging and running away to their shelters or over to the Cambodian side of the border. Sure, it prevented the US army from ever dealing a killing blow, but it took them 10 years to win the war and they never really won any major engagements. They just never lost them either. So I somewhat doubt that they would have been better at holding their ground against the Russian army. And that still conveniently ignores the fact that doing exactly that would have probably only resulted in Russia attacking more parts of Ukraine. I suppose you never heard or understood the concept of 'loosing a battle but win the war' or 'live to fight another day'? So tell me, what exactly would fighting the Russians have achieved other than the waste of men and material and potentially starting a 'hot' war between Russia and Ukraine? EDIT: Oh I just remembered, fun fact, but did you know that in the battle for Khe Sanh, the US estimated to have killed about 15.000 NVA soldiers (most positive estimate, they actually only found about 1500 bodies) and in order to achieve that they had to drop more than a 100.000 TONS of bomb on the enemy positions? Yeah you won your Dien Bien Phun, but only because you were able to have B-50 bombers drop several tons of bombs every 45 minutes. Which had as eventual result the collapse of the economic world order (Bretton Woods). |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
And don't forget the potential to embroil NATO in all this, turning a skirmish into a full blown war. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
In the 19th century, the Afghans kicked the bejabbers out of the British, in the 20th century the Afghans kicked the bejabbers out of the Russians and in the 21st century, have you won yet? They started with Alexander the Great. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
We all know & agree that the USA was/is the world's policeman, but for gawd's sake, cut back on the overbearing arrogance for once! WAS, that is why US should be right behind those who have the courage to carry the spear. Back to Vietnam, there was no doubt in my mind who had the will to win and it wasn't the side who let US do the fighting. I'm tired of betting on losers. How about this, an Obama/Putin pact dividing the world in two? No that would never work, Canada would send US more Justin Biebers in retaliation. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
You realize that standard Vietcong behavior was first to suffer heavy casualties and then disengaging and running away to their shelters or over to the Cambodian side of the border. I know that, I'm part of history. This day in history May 8, 1970, damn does that sound like an aka_whoever? Ukraine is looking more and more like the Republic of Vietnam. Sit on their fat butts and let US do it. Not my sons. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
EDIT: Oh I just remembered, fun fact, but did you know that in the battle for Khe Sanh, the US estimated to have killed about 15.000 NVA soldiers (most positive estimate, they actually only found about 1500 bodies) and in order to achieve that they had to drop more than a 100.000 TONS of bomb on the enemy positions? Yeah you won your Dien Bien Phun, but only because you were able to have B-50 bombers drop several tons of bombs every 45 minutes. Which had as eventual result the collapse of the economic world order (Bretton Woods). That wood be B-52's not B-50's And what I will post is off topic, I would like to say Viet Nam was lost by our politicticians not by the soldeiers. As for my owm belifes South Viet Nam was a corrupt regime we should have not gotten involved with in the first place. It was our own politicians who were so scared of the communist boogeyman who involved us. The Gulf of Tonkin was just the incident to get us involved. Much to the regret of those who have loved ones name on the Wall in DC. I dont know how this crisis in the Ukraine will work out but I think the US should shut up. Let the EU take care of it. As for the thugs In Chechneya. The only way Russia will deal with them is genocide. And I can bet they pay big time in blood trying it. [/quote] Old James |
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