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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
And what do the Europeans do? I repeatedly asked Guy to explain why I'm a racist and he repeatedly ignored my request for clarification. And there you barge in and start yelling about Europeans not understanding AMERICAN sarcasm, as if sarcasm is something very different in the United States. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
I'm not talking about cultural distinctions, this is fundamentally about the meaning of words. Sarcasm ˈsÉ‘Ëkaz(É™)m/ noun The use of irony to mock or convey contempt. Misrepresent ËŒmɪsrÉ›prɪˈzÉ›nt/ verb Give a false or misleading account of the nature of. What Guy was doing with his white/right malarkey was the latter, not the former. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
So if i interpret this correctly. X takes a stand on political issue de jour. Y disagrees with this stand. Y twists X's words in order that Y may call X a racist (regardless of X's actual meaning). This forces X to drop their stand on PIDJ in order to defend themselves against racism. Y dismisses anything X says "because X is a racist". PIDJ gets forgotten about. That's still not sarcasm. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
That's still not sarcasm. Agreed. Note also that references to Saul Alinsky's Rules perform the same function. Simply exchange racism for Rules for Radicals, and the discussion takes the same turn. It makes open discussion quite difficult, which is, I think, Guy's point, but I don't see why engaging in the tactic is helpful at all except to point out how any topic can be derailed. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Hello everyone :) How are you all!? Well I hope :) I must say I have been reading this thread with considerable bafflement for some time... and if this is a sort of drapes/curtain issue then it might be helpful if we look at how the word right is used elsewhere in the world (by that I mean in places other than the USA) "Right" (adjective): in accordance with what is good, proper, or just. In conformity with fact, reason, truth, or some standard or principle. Once combined with other words or prepositions and suffixes - it can take on a multitude of other meanings - none of which are "white". Then of course there's "right wing": members of a conservative or reactionary political party, or those opposing extensive political reform; that part of a political or social organization advocating a conservative or reactionary position. Is it permissable for those of us outside the USA to continue to use the word as we have for hundreds of years? Or will we need to choose another word so that we can avoid all future misunderstandings of this nature? Also... should we assume that when we see the word being used by an American that what they actually mean is "white"? (I'm not comfortable jumping to such conclusions which is why I thought I should check.) PS: As a left hander, I would like to express my objectivity on all issues regarding the word "right" :) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
LOts 'O Talk Of Racism hErE in My Thread. I Like 'it'. I Am A Racist. Oh Yeah. I Am A White Misanthrope. Hate All. Racist Against All. I Am Right Handed. Sweetness. NOw, continue wif dee sOund Bites. Huck in '16. Why? Cause HE Talks GOoD. Real GOoD. Fair, Reasoned and Just. A REal GOoD Guy. fO shO fO evA 'there' 'there' May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
PS: As a left hander, I would like to express my objectivity on all issues regarding the word "right" :) Ah, not to worry Anniet, just remember it has been proven that we left-handers are amongst the brainiest 10% of the world's population. So we can look down at all those "righters" and their idiotic attempts to get their way :-) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
PS: As a left hander, I would like to express my objectivity on all issues regarding the word "right" :) Huzzah for left handers! |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
So if i interpret this correctly. You understand it, Simonator. Its just about lesson number one in USA politics. 'racist' is but one of many variations on the theme. Others include (but are not limited to) 'sexist', 'elitist', 'socialist', 'communist'.. the list goes on and on.. Calling someone a *-ist when it is not warranted is a way of changing the subject off of one you are afraid you might lose onto one where the other person WILL lose. Even if it is successfully refuted, the damage to reputation from JUST the Charge of *-ist is VERY difficult to recover from. It is the way politics works over here (and I have my suspicions about it being the case over there as well). Standard tactics, par for the course. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
NOTE: I am a Member of Mensa (Top 2% IQ). My Mother was a Member and Writer for Mensa. I also own a table, i've even written on it sometimes. This is sarcasm! Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
PS: As a left hander, I would like to express my objectivity on all issues regarding the word "right" :) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You're missing a "right" foot? |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Weren't you? (Spoken by an ambidextrous setizen who also owns a table....) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
GOD is Great! Tea Party kickin' A$$ in 'ole Virginny. 200,000 dollas BEATS 5 Million Plus. WHOOOBA! Knocked numba 2 in House and Next in Line to Mr. TanMan. It'll be DEM Prof against Tea Partay Prof in Nov. Who ya Think 'is' gunna Win? Oh Yeah. Go TProf Go! Right Sarge? heeeheeeheee Sweetness. GOD is Indeed Great. Tea Partay is EVOLVING It's ALL in Da 'Brane, Baby. heeeheeeheee. fO shO fO evA and evA da Crunchin Troll Wannabe May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22160 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I must say it is a pleasant change to see the "poor underdog" win a significant election in the US. Just proves that not all the votes are bought.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
I must say it is a pleasant change to see the "poor underdog" win a significant election in the US. Just proves that not all the votes are bought....It was a primary election where only registered Republican can vote. That is a heavily Republican area but they still have to win the national election. Immigration "reform" is dead in the water for now. Cantor was in favor of amnesty for illegals and that's what got him thrown out of office. This has more to do with Republicans being shocked and awed than "We the People" caring what happens in one congressional district. |
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