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juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
That´s question comes from another thread, anyone could try to answer? There is a brief copy about the topic: Now imagine if we finaly receive an ET call, how we will do to understand it? My initial point was: If i can´t understad a thread writen in Russian with the google translator for example, then imagine if we where able even to receive the ET call, decode it will be sure and incredible "race" and maybe we will need a enigma like project just to try to decode and even with all earth supercomputers linked that could be an impossible task. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Well, let's hope if anyone is out there trying to communicate with us, that if they are intelligent and advanced enough to use tachyons or entangled pairs or some other exotic form of communication we don't know of, that they are also intelligent enough to know how to "talk down" to us by broadcasting their hello in the first form of wireless electronic communication we discovered: amplitude-modulated narrowband radio, and they start off their communication with the most basic mathematical idea: the prime number... basically exactly what we have done and are looking for now. Even if we never decoded the rest, at least we would know they were there. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1383 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
There is presumably a continuum of civilizations in the galaxy. Some less technically advanced than we are, some at about our level, some slightly advanced over us, some moderately advanced, and so on, up to those millions or even billions of years our senior. It seems likely that those at about our level or moderately more advanced would be the most interested in communicating with us. They would have more in common with us than much more advanced species. It need not be comparable to humans trying to communicate with ants. In an instance of two not-too-dissimilar species, mutual understanding should be possible. It could challenge our intelligence to understand a somewhat more advanced species, but the mental effort would be good for us. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Therefore life of whatever kind has a common factor in the value of Pi. "they" may choose to give it a different name, and call it whatever they wish, it is still a universal constant, and a starting point for discussion. I like the idea that was used in Contact of searching for intelligent signals at "hydrogen times Pi" (about 4.46 GHz) the most important astronomical frequency multiplied by the most important constant, a great place for an intelligence to make itself known. As far as I know it's a pretty quiet area of the spectrum too. I wonder if any SETI projects are listening there. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I saw on one episode of Morgan Freeman's "Through the Wormhole" where one of the Seti researchers has a method of determining whether a set of sounds is jibberish or intelligent communication. It doesn't solve what the message is but does determine an intelligent pattern. His example was dolphin communication which he is now studying. If we can't figure out what dolphins are saying it doesn't bode well for us understanding aliens. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22189 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
There are two main forms of written language: "alphabetic" - those which use "letters" arranged as "words" to convey meaning; and "pictographic" - those which use pictograms to express both "words" and more complex concepts. On Earth we have both, English and Arabic being examples of the former, and the various Chinese dialects are predominantly the latter. Now, how do decode an alphabetic language when your linguistic scope is a pictographic one (or visa-versa) when you haven't got a key to point you in the correct direction? Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
We had the Morse alphabet, but it is no longer used. It was used in telegraph and radio communications and helped save many human lives. Tullio |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
If "They" existed they could teach us their numbering system by sending Pascal's triangle with their numerical characters in place. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
If "They" existed they could teach us their numbering system by sending Pascal's triangle with their numerical characters in place. Maybe They could give us a formula for finding prime numbers, which we haven't discovered yet. Tullio |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
prime numbers (assumes our counting system) It would be pointless trying to structure radio communications with a society that didn't have a the concept of number (how would they tune their radios without the understanding of frequency?) but you can communicate primeness to them and they may already understand primeness this way... geometrically: Imagine a society with no sense of counting numbers... all they know is "one" and "more than one". Here is a line of dots: â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â—â— Try to split that line into more than one line so that: - Every line is the same length - Every line contains more than one dot - No dot is a member of more than one line (ie no sneaky intersections.) - Dots can't be split or merged This of course can't be done, so we call this line's length "prime". Other lines of different length can be split this way so we call their lengths "composite". (Incidentally the ancient Greeks started out like this because they lacked a useful algebraic notation; their algebraic proofs and concepts were expressed geometrically.) |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1383 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Actually Morse codeWe had the Morse alphabet, but it is no longer used. It was used in telegraph and radio communications and helped save many human lives. is still in use in amateur radio. I confirmed this by listening on the 80, 40, and 20 meter bands a few minutes ago. There do seem to be fewer Morse signals than in the past. Radio propagation beacons used in amateur radio also still transmit in Morse code. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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