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Message 1472538 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 0:56:35 UTC

America is preparing to land a robot on the moon for the first time in four decades.

Nasa is looking for private partners to participate in the project that will see a new generation of rovers wandering across the moon’s surface.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10614953/US-ready-to-return-to-moon.html
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Message 1472577 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 4:04:59 UTC

I hope it is a good sign for sending men(and women) back to the moon soon. Some people think going to the moon is easy and therefore should be bypassed for more ambitious destinations like an asteroid or Mars. Actually NASA got very lucky in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Ignorance is bliss and had they known then what is known now about the radiation hazards the Apollo Program most likely would have been delayed for at least a decade.
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Message 1472659 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 10:38:29 UTC

Nasa is looking for private partners to participate in the project that will see a new generation of rovers wandering across the moon’s surface.

It is good to see. But it is a shame that Obamas government refuses to allocate enough funds not to have to involve private partners.

The American space agency has set up a programme called Catalyst to exploit commercial opportunities offered by the moon. It believes that eventually there will be a market for commercial cargo trips to the lunar surface.

Then let the private people get involved at that point then.

"As Nasa pursues an ambitious plan for humans to explore an asteroid and Mars, US industry will create opportunities for Nasa to advance new technologies on the moon".

It's all wrong. Space exploration should be for scientific endeavour, and mankind's benefit. It should not have to be bankrolled by greedy privatisation getting let in for profit to share holders.

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Message 1472669 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 11:41:39 UTC - in response to Message 1472659.

USA private industry has done a great research job inn the past. Think only of the Bell Laboratories, which provided the transistor, the discovery of the cosmic microwave background, the start of radioastronomy, the UNIX operating system, etc.
Freeman J.Dyson, a British born scientist, has called for the engagement of privates in space exploration in his book "Disturbing the universe".
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Message 1472741 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 14:39:54 UTC - in response to Message 1472669.
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Actually it was private industry that designed and built all of our previous manned space vehicles. NASA was just the manager and who wrote the specs. Even in the future with increased privatization NASA will still write the specs and decide who gets to launch and when. It is just that now NASA is asking the contractors to risk more of their own money. At least in the USA.
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Message 1472745 - Posted: 4 Feb 2014, 14:46:57 UTC

That is may all be true Bob, but NASA is only doing that because the government won't or can't stump up the money, that is what I think is wrong. Kennedy MADE them find the money.

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Message 1472991 - Posted: 5 Feb 2014, 11:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 1472745.

That is may all be true Bob, but NASA is only doing that because the government won't or can't stump up the money, that is what I think is wrong. Kennedy MADE them find the money.

Yes, but a war was on, the Cold War. Armstrong said that Apollo 11 ended the cold war, which was won by America. Now the Chines are failing on a Moon where America landed six manned missions and a rover. America is exploring Mars.
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Message 1473089 - Posted: 5 Feb 2014, 15:54:31 UTC - in response to Message 1472991.

That is may all be true Bob, but NASA is only doing that because the government won't or can't stump up the money, that is what I think is wrong. Kennedy MADE them find the money.

Yes, but a war was on, the Cold War. Armstrong said that Apollo 11 ended the cold war, which was won by America. Now the Chines are failing on a Moon where America landed six manned missions and a rover. America is exploring Mars.
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Message 1505641 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 16:22:35 UTC

Just saw this - sort of in keeping with this thread I think - though I'm sure not in this manner

Ladee crashes into the moon

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Message 1505673 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 17:09:19 UTC - in response to Message 1505641.

another million of debris(junk) again, now on the far side of the moon.

They need to stop to polute the space with their Junk :S
at least send your dead bodies to the sun so it can be recycled
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Message 1505684 - Posted: 18 Apr 2014, 17:19:53 UTC

NASA no longer gets any defense money and Obama would rather spend on social programs than moon walking. Welcome to the new socially conscious, but broke, US of A.
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Message 1505876 - Posted: 19 Apr 2014, 0:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 1472741.

Actually it was private industry that designed and built all of our previous manned space vehicles. NASA was just the manager and who wrote the specs. Even in the future with increased privatization NASA will still write the specs and decide who gets to launch and when. It is just that now NASA is asking the contractors to risk more of their own money. At least in the USA.

Bob, I work in the business, I'm somewhat familiar with the issues.

"Because Bell Labs was part of the AT&T monopoly, its executives felt a moral, political and legal imperative to share the discovery with other researchers and license it to other companies. “AT&T maintained its monopoly at the government’s pleasure, and with the understanding that its scientific work was in the public interest,”" ~ "The Idea Factory" John Gertner

I don't detect any such ethical calculations on the part of present day executives. Boeing, despite being the senior partner in the nation's aero dupopoly (government sponsored via the approved, nay mandated, merger with McDonell Douglas) gave away the technology to make transonic wings to the Japanese for some money. It's not clear if they could even do a wing any more. Judging by the 787 they can barely manage a project let alone design the product.

Presently their whole business model is predicated on making engineers as marginalized as possible believing that Japan, China, India, and Europe should engineer things and Boeing should put their sticker on them when they are all done. Boeing's current plan for their illustrious R&D center? Move it to right-to-work states so they can get cheap bodies. That's their technology plan.

The pendulum has swung too far the other way. Why can't the DoD tell them "stop giving away the crown jewels or we'll turn off the GIANT PIPELINE OF MONEY FROM THE DOD TO YOUR COMPANY." Boeing didn't get where they are (or were) on their own, the USA taxpayer put them there.

Same with any of NASA's suppliers. And all of defense.

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Message 1505990 - Posted: 19 Apr 2014, 10:18:52 UTC - in response to Message 1505684.
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NASA no longer gets any defense money and Obama would rather spend on social programs than moon walking. Welcome to the new socially conscious, but broke, US of A.



They played the maecenas for far too long and now they're paying for it...
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Message 1506163 - Posted: 19 Apr 2014, 20:54:17 UTC

I know in reality, space money in the U.S. is way down from what it was during the Apollo program, but I don't think budgets really mean anything. Funny money will eventually get some Earthlings back to the Moon and beyond.
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Message 1506456 - Posted: 20 Apr 2014, 11:57:54 UTC

That will only happen Gordon if the political will is there do so so. NASA seems to have written off any thought of a moon base, and wants to concentrate upon the asteroids and Mars. Now, is that NASA's view, or the people that fund them? The Chinese are likely to set up Moonbase 1 first, and they will quite happily charge the USA astronauts for Bed & Breakfast.

The days of President Kennedy have long gone

"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth".

Those were the days when we had real Presidents, not political animals. The USA has lost it's way, and I for one, sadly, don't see it getting back on track.

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Message 1506550 - Posted: 20 Apr 2014, 16:24:32 UTC - in response to Message 1506456.

That will only happen Gordon if the political will is there do so so. NASA seems to have written off any thought of a moon base, and wants to concentrate upon the asteroids and Mars. Now, is that NASA's view, or the people that fund them? The Chinese are likely to set up Moonbase 1 first, and they will quite happily charge the USA astronauts for Bed & Breakfast.

The days of President Kennedy have long gone

"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to Earth".

Those were the days when we had real Presidents, not political animals. The USA has lost it's way, and I for one, sadly, don't see it getting back on track.


The Cold War and Kennedy certainly made the moon landing happen. As far as what's next, I think you're probably right about China, and I don't see any urgency on the USA's part to do much of anything independently nowadays.
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Message 1506653 - Posted: 20 Apr 2014, 19:39:00 UTC

There is no reason to go back to the Moon, which has a much harsher environment than Mars, due to the lack of an atmosphere.The Chines Jade Rabbit has stopped working after a few days, Opportunity on Mars is still working after ten years and the winds have cleaned its solar panels up to almost nominal efficiency.See the JPL site on this.
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Message 1507378 - Posted: 22 Apr 2014, 20:30:02 UTC - in response to Message 1506653.

There is no reason to go back to the Moon, which has a much harsher environment than Mars, due to the lack of an atmosphere.The Chines Jade Rabbit has stopped working after a few days, Opportunity on Mars is still working after ten years and the winds have cleaned its solar panels up to almost nominal efficiency.See the JPL site on this.
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Far too expensive to go back to the moon again although I wouldn't mind a real trip to the Moon myself:)
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Message 1507551 - Posted: 23 Apr 2014, 9:09:31 UTC

although I wouldn't mind a real trip to the Moon myself:)

You and me both my friend :-))) Mind you, the ISS would be pretty good as well!
But back to Earth, I did get to see the Seti Closet so that is more than most mere mortals

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Message 1507555 - Posted: 23 Apr 2014, 9:44:00 UTC - in response to Message 1507551.

although I wouldn't mind a real trip to the Moon myself:)

You and me both my friend :-))) Mind you, the ISS would be pretty good as well!
But back to Earth, I did get to see the Seti Closet so that is more than most mere mortals



On my most wanted wish list as well!
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