Hello!
I have an old radeon 4350 512 mb videocard, who i can put in my homeserver ( 24/7).
i be a sense to try to use it?
i set up boinc 7.2.33 x64 , catalyst 13.1 for that, and get message a CAL gpu found, peak performance 192 GFLOPS, but not get any work for that ATI card for about 10 hours.
i be invested, i can install Lunatics app over BOINC, & install OpenCL driver ( amd SDK 2.9 ?), and then i maybe get a working GPU, but firstly i want to know, SETI has workunits for that GPU, or not?

Hello!
I have an old radeon 4350 512 mb videocard, who i can put in my homeserver ( 24/7).
but firstly i want to know, SETI has workunits for that GPU, or not?

In short, yes, it has.

Worth or not - it's much more hard question. It depends can you get OpenCL support on your GPU or as now CAL-only.
If you can install Brook+ hybrid AstroPulse on that host and if it will work reliable for you then IMO worth to try.
At least it much faster that AstroPulse stock CPU app anyway.

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Thank you for your reply.
want to some clearificance: as i understand, in CAL mode it not use GPU for crunching, i e i must get OpenCL support anyway?
and if i get OpenCL support - my GPU is used on stock, boinc, or i must set up Lunatics ATI app over this? or lunatics too not help, and i must use Brook + hybrid astropuulse, as you said?
general thing in all that is i have a small homeserver on s2d e4400 ( 2.2 ghz), who anyway runs 24/7.
as so i install boinc on this, and run it by about 50 percent of one processor (core) time. but from another hand, i have that old 4350 card, who may significantly improve crunching, in the same time no addition very much energy consumption on system. at that moment i have s3 trio or so pci videocard on this server, because it heat much less than r4350, and consumes less energy, but now the setiathome running thing is involved, and maybe it is good to switch to 4350....
there is a bit about power consumptions of old videocards, if anyone interested:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/videocard-with-low-power-consumption-for-server-4175446349/

1) hybrid AP was released as stock app also (and it coming as part of Lunatics installer too as well as separate pack).
2) hybrid AP uses GPU but only for FFA part of AstroPulse processing algorithm.
Hence speedup will be not as big as for OpenCL version that uses GPU for full processing chain except blanking for now.
But this could be at least partially compensated by running few AP instances so GPU load could be improved by overcommitting host CPU. Will this speed things up or not depends from particular CPU/GPU combo (data transfers to GPU are costly so with slow GPU and fast CPU maybe better just to run opt CPU app. Testing needed).

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thanks. xm, not as good, as i expect. on other way, i have nvidia 9400gt too ( about the same age videocard as ati r4350, and see on benchmarks, about a 20 percent faster ( on other hand, BOINC say r4350 has 192 GFLOPS peak, and 9400gt has 66GFLOPS peak), and 32bit boinc 7.2.33 on 32 bit linux ( vs ati in 64 bit) looks like do nvidia gpu related tasks ok - i see in boincmgr in "task properties" lines like 0.2 CPU & 1.0 GPU...
as so, nvidia there is better for crunching?

as so, nvidia there is better for crunching?

Well, better to enable crunching on both GPUs ;)

But if you should choice only single GPU for that host I think better to go with GT9400 and enable only CUDA23 app on it.
This way your host will be most useful for the SETI project.

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it will enabled on both GPU-s - on both machines. 9400gt i plan to put on my desktop machine ( c2d 2.2 ghz), because it looks consume more power and also it is videocard with active cooling ( who is a weak point in 24/7 server, imho), and less power eater - r4350 with passive cooling i plan to put in my microserver ( c2d 2.0 ghz).
btw, can you tell, what weight of that GFLOPS number, who boinc write when found usable GPU,is? it is some number, based on what we can compare different GPU's performance for BOINC, or a smaller GFLOPS gpu can easy outperform a largerGFLOPS in real tasks crunching?

also, maybe you can advice me for best settings for 4350 card crunching dedicated to SETI ?
i plan to use catalyst 13.1 driver, and SDK 2.9 ( as on current setup), on 64 bit linux with 3.2 kernel. also, seems, a lunatics astropilse and multibeam too...?

also, maybe you can advice me for best settings for 4350 card crunching dedicated to SETI ?
i plan to use catalyst 13.1 driver, and SDK 2.9 ( as on current setup), on 64 bit linux with 3.2 kernel. also, seems, a lunatics astropilse and multibeam too...?

Catalyst 13.1 is a APP SDK 2.8 driver, you need a later driver for use with APP SDK 2.9, check the SDK requirements page, it says you need 13.11 beta.

ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet

System Requirements & Driver Compatibility

Setiathome won't send Seti v7 work to hosts running Cat 13.1 either because of an APP runtime 1084.4 compiler Bug, which caused the v7 ATI GPU app to cause driver restarts (under windows),
under Linux I believe it caused the host to reboot, I believe Urs had an OS update that changed the behaviour, So Cat 13.1 should not be used.

Claggy

also, maybe you can advice me for best settings for 4350 card crunching dedicated to SETI ?
i plan to use catalyst 13.1 driver, and SDK 2.9 ( as on current setup), on 64 bit linux with 3.2 kernel. also, seems, a lunatics astropilse and multibeam too...?

Hm... Brook+ app only for windows... So you need to get OpenCL support then you could crunch under Linux. And better to crunch AP only, MB has issues on some HD4xxx cards.

Regarding GFLOPS... I believe they take values from vendors specification. It's weakly related with real card performance for particular project cause GPU performance depends from algorithm VERY strong. Some algorithms allow good parallelization (required to keep GPU busy), some not. Some allows many computations per memory access, some much more memory bound...

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2Raistmer: ok, i already have OpenCL support for my ATI ( it appears after i install SDK 2.9).
Спасибо за пояснения и советы, друг! :)

2Claggy:
strange. i can say you, i get an Astropulse task (astropulse v6 6.07 ati_opencl_100) computing about 20 hours for now ( it is a big task for my poor computer - estimated 1821052 GFLOPS. it has 90% done, and use 0.2 CPU +1 ATI GPU - not seems to restart anything or reboot anything. as i say, i use x64 linux ( slackware64 14.0) with catalyst 13.1 and sdk 2.9
until i install sdk, i do not have an OpenCL in boinc - only CAL. now i have CAl and OpenCL:

bash-4.2$ ./boinc
./boinc: /lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by ./boinc)
./boinc: /usr/lib64/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by ./boinc)
./boinc: /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by ./boinc)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.2.33 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.27.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1c zlib/1.2.6 libidn/1.25
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Data directory: /home/draco/BOINC
boinc: /lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by boinc)
boinc: /usr/lib64/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by boinc)
boinc: /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by boinc)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4350/4550 (R710) (CAL version 1.4.1734, 512MB, 400MB available, 192 GFLOPS peak)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4350/4550 (R710) (driver version CAL 1.4.1734, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (937.2), 512MB, 400MB available, 192 GFLOPS peak)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 2.0 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (937.2))
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [SETI@home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
getaddrinfo: Success
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Host name: TESTslk64_14
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13]
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm dtherm
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OS: Linux: 3.2.29
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Memory: 3.79 GB physical, 1.91 GB virtual
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Disk: 36.67 GB total, 17.36 GB free
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Local time is UTC +2 hours
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [rosetta@home] URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1716837; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Milkyway@Home] URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 559365; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Einstein@Home] URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 10283457; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Poem@Home] URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 195468; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [SETI@home] URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 7203016; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] General prefs: from http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ (last modified 01-Jan-1970 03:00:01)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Host location: none
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] General prefs: using your defaults
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Reading preferences override file
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Preferences:
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] max memory usage when active: 1163.31MB
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] max memory usage when idle: 1744.96MB
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] max disk usage: 2.00GB
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] max CPUs used: 1
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 50%
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Not using a proxy
31-Jan-2014 18:48:42 Initialization completed
31-Jan-2014 18:48:42 [Milkyway@Home] Restarting task de_modfit_16_3s_bpl_128wrap_1_1390392603_1849719_0 using milkyway_separation__modified_fit version 128 in slot 1
31-Jan-2014 18:48:42 [SETI@home] Restarting task ap_31mr13aa_B5_P0_00159_20140130_22221.wu_0 using astropulse_v6 version 607 (ati_opencl_100) in slot 0
getaddrinfo: Success
31-Jan-2014 18:48:42 [Milkyway@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
31-Jan-2014 18:48:42 [Milkyway@Home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
31-Jan-2014 18:48:44 [Milkyway@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
31-Jan-2014 18:48:44 [Milkyway@Home] No tasks sent
31-Jan-2014 18:48:44 [Milkyway@Home] GPU lacks necessary double precision extension
31-Jan-2014 18:48:44 [Milkyway@Home] This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
getaddrinfo: Success
31-Jan-2014 18:48:49 [rosetta@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
31-Jan-2014 18:48:49 [rosetta@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
31-Jan-2014 18:48:53 [rosetta@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
31-Jan-2014 18:48:55 [rosetta@home] Started download of 2014_1_22_mini_f113_folding.zip
getaddrinfo: Success

2Claggy:
strange. i can say you, i get an Astropulse task (astropulse v6 6.07 ati_opencl_100) computing about 20 hours for now ( it is a big task for my poor computer - estimated 1821052 GFLOPS. it has 90% done, and use 0.2 CPU +1 ATI GPU - not seems to restart anything or reboot anything. as i say, i use x64 linux ( slackware64 14.0) with catalyst 13.1 and sdk 2.9
until i install sdk, i do not have an OpenCL in boinc - only CAL. now i have CAl and OpenCL:

31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.2.33 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.27.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1c zlib/1.2.6 libidn/1.25
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Data directory: /home/draco/BOINC
boinc: /lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by boinc)
boinc: /usr/lib64/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by boinc)
boinc: /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: no version information available (required by boinc)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4350/4550 (R710) (CAL version 1.4.1734, 512MB, 400MB available, 192 GFLOPS peak)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4350/4550 (R710) (driver version CAL 1.4.1734, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (937.2), 512MB, 400MB available, 192 GFLOPS peak)
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 2.0 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (937.2))
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [SETI@home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
getaddrinfo: Success
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Host name: TESTslk64_14
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13]
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm dtherm
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] OS: Linux: 3.2.29
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Memory: 3.79 GB physical, 1.91 GB virtual
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Disk: 36.67 GB total, 17.36 GB free
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [---] Local time is UTC +2 hours
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [rosetta@home] URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1716837; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Milkyway@Home] URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 559365; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Einstein@Home] URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 10283457; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [Poem@Home] URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 195468; resource share 100
31-Jan-2014 18:48:41 [SETI@home] URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 7203016; resource share 100
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I talk about Seti v7, not Astropulse v6, Astropulse v6 works fine on Cat 13.1,

Not helpful that you post on Bil account, that only has one host, and it doesn't have a GPU, when actual host is on draco account, url above.

Boinc reports it's running a CAL version of 1.4.1734 and APP runtime of 937.2, that fits in at Cat 12.5,
(AMD's legacy drivers don't seem to match what the non-legacy drivers report, if you really have a Cat 13.1 driver installed),
If the APP SDK was really in use Boinc would report a APP runtime of something like 1348.5

Claggy

i have many accounts on seti. now i test that:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7203016

do not know, what is with version dependance on ati \ amd site - amd tech support write me, last legacy driver for my videocard is catalyst 13.1, and give me link on this. i download it and install.

about seti v7 - maybe you right, i get only astropulse gpu - optimized from SETI.
but that's better than nothing. ATI has very crappy drivers and support at all ( for example, all his "13.1" catalyst install to kernels up to 3.4.x, 12.6 max kernelversion is 2.6, if i remember correctly, and so on. nvidia, from another hand, have a less or more fresh driver versions even for old cards, like as geforce 6200. 7600. 9400, and this drivers install on new kernels without problems, and all work from box, include an Opencl - and even without run X window system - boinc not see ATI GPU until i do not run x window system....) , as so, i think, in future i purchase only nvidia.

i have many accounts on seti. now i test that:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7203016

do not know, what is with version dependance on ati \ amd site - amd tech support write me, last legacy driver for my videocard is catalyst 13.1, and give me link on this. i download it and install.

about seti v7 - maybe you right, i get only astropulse gpu - optimized from SETI.
but that's better than nothing. ATI has very crappy drivers and support at all ( for example, all his "13.1" catalyst install to kernels up to 3.4.x, 12.6 max kernelversion is 2.6, if i remember correctly, and so on. nvidia, from another hand, have a less or more fresh driver versions even for old cards, like as geforce 6200. 7600. 9400, and this drivers install on new kernels without problems, and all work from box, include an Opencl - and even without run X window system - boinc not see ATI GPU until i do not run x window system....) , as so, i think, in future i purchase only nvidia.

nVidia has better support at this time. Maybe some day AMD will have good support too, maybe.

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2Raistmer: ok, i already have OpenCL support for my ATI ( it appears after i install SDK 2.9).
Спасибо за пояснения и советы, друг! :)

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Looks like Claggy is right - astropulse was done and upload, and next task is setiathome_v7 for ATI. it looks strange - time to complete 1:33, time on task 0:18 and no one tenth of percent do: percentage is 0:0000, while remaining time get less and less.
i download catalyst 12.10 and 13.4 from amd site. uninstall my catalyst 13.1 ( it was not uninstall fully, said "some files was changed since driver install" - yes, crappy amd, after driver install i install amd sdk 2.9!
anyway, restart and then try to install catalyst 13.4 - in process he say, there are no supported cards found and exit.
try 12.10 - the same -no supported cards found. as so i again install 13.1...

ok, as so looks setiathome sends seti v7 GPU tasks to my system,and my system cannot compute that - as so it is waste of time. i see there 2 variants - tell seti server, he do not send me seti7 GPU tasks, but send only CPU tasks for seti v7, or do not send me seti v7 tasks at all.
what opinions - what is better? why i can realise that two situations by configuring my local boinc .xml files?

as i understand, no other projects \ tasks affected by this catalyst 13.1 bad driver problem, except of seti v7 ?

thanks in advance...

You have a Legacy card. You are going to have to use a Legacy driver if using a 'newer' driver. The Legacy issue is Fuzzy between Regular Catalyst 12.1 & Legacy 13.1 which is really around Regular Catalyst 12.6. If I were you, I'd use the Regular Catalyst 12.1 for that card. In Windows many people, including myself, have trouble with a series 4 card, the AstroPulse ATI_CAL App and the Legacy 13.1 driver. It appears you are running the regular AstroPulse app though. I'd still go with the Regular Catalyst 12.1. Good luck with ATI MB7 with that card, it won't work with my 4670...in Windows. To avoid the server sending you ATI MB7 tasks, you would probably need to configure an app_info.xml file and not include ATI MB7.

To avoid the server sending you ATI MB7 tasks, you would probably need to configure an app_info.xml file and not include ATI MB7.

Yes, it's the best way to go for your setup.
Download apps you wanna run from here:

http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=1

And combine appropriate app_info.xml after.

Usually app goes with .aistub file that has corresponding section of app_info file for that particular app so you need just copy/paste those sections into single file.

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12.1 catalyst, as i remember, do not support modern x server, nor modern kernels, as so, it may be a difficult task to trying to set that old driver on +/- modern linux.

ok, as so, you recommend me to participate only in astropulse?
but i can also do seti v7 on cpu, not gpu, isn't?

MB7 on the CPU should work fine. Legacy 13.1 should work on regular ATI AstroPulse, but, did it? I'm still waiting to see the results, Workunit 1415754554.
There's a nice thread about Legacy 13.1 on one of the OC sites, seems the driver part is from around April 2012 and the AMD_APP is a 'special' 937.2. It's totally different from the 'regular' Catalyst 13.1 with AMD_APP 1084.4. It's just the 4350 will probably not work with MB7 no matter which driver you use.

ok, as so, you recommend me to participate only in astropulse?
but i can also do seti v7 on cpu, not gpu, isn't?

With app_info - definitely yes. White stock apps - I'm afraid project options not flexible enough to allow such config.

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