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Message 1667296 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:23:07 UTC - in response to Message 1667232.  

They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000...

Why are you complaining that sounds like good work for you?
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Message 1667297 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:23:56 UTC

Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists.
And since Bill met Melinda he's even more:)
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Message 1667301 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:32:25 UTC - in response to Message 1667297.  

Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists.
And since Bill met Melinda he's even more:)

Quite true, however, the way Martin evangelises Linux, one would think he would be up there alongside Linus.
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Message 1667303 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:44:05 UTC - in response to Message 1667296.  

They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000...

Why are you complaining that sounds like good work for you?

Sounds very SOP in fact.

Have a friend that worked for Big Blue. They had to bid on a contract to migrate equipment. They had lots of experts who could do the Big Blue stuff easy and cheaper than any other company. The hang up was Big Blue didn't have enough in house experts on the other vendors systems, so they had to include lots of padding time and money to learn the other vendors systems.
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Message 1667304 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:44:21 UTC - in response to Message 1667294.  
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Wow, you really that good?

Nope. Far from it. And that's the real scary part!


So pray tell, why are you only an employee? Why aren't you head of your own company

I am certainly no employee...

(And likely no sane company person could survive being anywhere near me!... :-P

OK, so excluding those that do but best not drag others down into the bits and bytes... ;-) )


a la "Linux Bill Gates"?

Isn't that something of a contradiction of terms? Although, I'm sure there just has to be some few hundred pages of Microsoft EULA that could embrace that!


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Message 1667306 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 1667301.  
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Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists.
And since Bill met Melinda he's even more:)

Quite true, however, the way Martin evangelises Linux, one would think he would be up there alongside Linus.

One more thing.
Linux are a derivation or a fork OS of UNIX.
And who started UNIX and their likes?
Berkley University. MIT? SUN? OSX?
Yes:)
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Message 1667307 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 1667296.  
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They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000...

Why are you complaining that sounds like good work for you?

It was if it wasn't for the extreme bad-mouthing from the 3rd-party support who should now be extremely embarrassed.

That has turned a few hours job for everything to instead be a few hours job + far too many hours in telecons plus another day or two for extra documentation for the sake of bum covering and noone is happy.


All very silly, and the hot air has been very wasteful,

and from what I've experienced with the "3rd party support", for them Microsoft really does seem to be a religion with multiple sub-cults of Marketing-speak. (Very much like the "New-speak" of George Orwell's 1984.)


Even though a good job has been done and with zero disruption and all exactly on time, and ridiculously under budget, noone is happy. Weird.

Perhaps I should have claimed "out of scope" and charged $8000... But then that would be excruciatingly dishonest.


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Message 1667310 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 19:56:20 UTC

A European Cisco in the making?

Nokia buys Alcatel-Lucent
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Message 1667312 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 20:01:27 UTC - in response to Message 1667310.  
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A European Cisco in the making?
Nokia buys Alcatel-Lucent

Nokia started their company in Finland as making tires for cars.
Now they are a very big company in the IT-business:)

Talk about Sisu:):)
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Message 1667313 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 20:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 1667303.  
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They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000...

Why are you complaining that sounds like good work for you?

Sounds very SOP in fact.

Have a friend that worked for Big Blue. They had to bid on a contract to migrate equipment. They had lots of experts who could do the Big Blue stuff easy and cheaper than any other company. The hang up was Big Blue didn't have enough in house experts on the other vendors systems, so they had to include lots of padding time and money to learn the other vendors systems.

That I can sypathise with.


For my example, I was working on the principle of minimum change and so the Microsoft-based office is still using all-Microsoft. The heavy lifting for compatibility was always going to be all on my side. (That old "we/Microsoft don't support that, but we can sell you a whole new system" silliness from the 3rd party support...)

Hence easier to do the clicks on the Microsoft Exchange myself rather than waste a day explaining to the "3rd party" what to do to set up a second domain.


Still scary that the approach by that "3rd party support" is very likely what they do to all their customers... Ouch. Hope that isn't their SOP!


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Message 1667323 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 20:26:25 UTC - in response to Message 1667313.  

Here's a question for you...

"Can you communicate regarding anything in the I.T world without mentioning Linux/Microsoft?

...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters.

As for business, that's down to the business concerned so this forum is not your personal "empty crate in Hyde Park"
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Message 1667330 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 20:47:58 UTC - in response to Message 1667323.  

...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ...

And yet the IT that business and consumers alike rely upon and that steers our very lives is all dominated by Google, Microsoft and Apple and the games and Marketing they play with us all...


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Message 1667335 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 20:57:53 UTC - in response to Message 1667330.  

...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ...

And yet the IT that business and consumers alike rely upon and that steers our very lives is all dominated by Google, Microsoft and Apple and the games and Marketing they play with us all...

Oracle?
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Message 1667351 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 21:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 1667313.  

Hence easier to do the clicks on the Microsoft Exchange myself rather than waste a day explaining to the "3rd party" what to do to set up a second domain.

In many companies that is a firing offense. Legal demands it be so. Because if you make a mistake now you have to fix it and that cost can be open ended.

Still scary that the approach by that "3rd party support" is very likely what they do to all their customers... Ouch. Hope that isn't their SOP!

Yes, it is SOP. Required by lawyers.

Recently had a little experience with that. Work changed our ISP. They sent a man out to move the wire and he could do anything from the wan jack side of the router. He was forbidden to change the settings on the router to the new IP, subnet and DNS and said to call our IT tech to do that. Even though he knew how, if he did he would be fired.

Welcome to the new wonderful world of insurance and lawyers!
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Message 1667355 - Posted: 19 Apr 2015, 21:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 1667330.  

...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ...

And yet the IT that business and consumers alike rely upon and that steers our very lives is all dominated by Google, Microsoft and Apple and the games and Marketing they play with us all...

That may be so, so please take your "Spiel" to where it belongs - your Linux thread. If you haven't anything to comment regarding I.T in general without posting your "Spiel", take it elsewhere.
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Message 1668441 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 13:54:01 UTC

Open Source = Open Data
Or how fast can you patch ....
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Message 1668449 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 14:15:08 UTC - in response to Message 1668441.  
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Open Source = Open Data
Or how fast can you patch ....

Thanks for that microcosm.

Sorry but all very small fry commonplace stuff for ANY software... Except...

That has been highlighted precisely because the code is open to inspection by others to check. Contrast that with the recent fundamental howlers from Microsoft where "proprietary" allows very dubious code to persist for years... As recently demonstrated with the incredible "merely display some text and lose your Microsoft Windows system to the bad people"...


What is much more interesting for your snippet is in the comments:

Flaw in 3rd-party networking library leaves 1,500 iOS apps vulnerable to HTTPS snooping
Bug discovered in January allows man-in-the-middle attacks, fixed by vendor earlier this month

There, was that so hard?


Yes, the vendor did issue a fix for this issue back on March 26, and we found ~1k apps vulnerable on April 1. Then the number went up to ~1.5k when we just re-scanned April 18. The theory is that developers just aren't aware of this issue and don't know that they pulled from the AFNetworking tree when it was vulnerable. That's why I think this is still relevant -- developers don't know about this flaw because it's been so long since the patch was released and they're still releasing vulnerable updates to their apps.



That highlights more a problem of those particular mobile apps not having a consistent update tree as is normally maintained elsewhere for other systems...

More to the point: Why are not such fundamental network system services readily provided by the OS supplier?... Proprietary hang-ups get in the way?


All a game of code?

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Message 1668452 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 14:18:01 UTC
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Here's a beautiful example of how it can get to be so badly frustratingly wrong:


Enraged US man shoots his malfunctioning computer

... so frustrated with his computer that he took it outside and shot it eight times, police say...

... Mr Hinch "shot the darn thing" when ctrl+alt+delete - the traditional method used to re-boot computers - "consistently did not work"...



The old Microsoft ctl-alt-del?...

To my mind, IT shouldn't be that way...


And IT is what we allow it to be...
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Message 1668529 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 17:40:24 UTC - in response to Message 1668499.  
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Did you really expect something better from the Linux Evangelist? Anything that shows Microsoft in a bad light so that Linux looks much better.

Funny thing happened on the way to the Linux forum...

...Linux Mint 13 installed perfectly on a desktop...

...Linux Mint 14 released & installed on same desktop with no hardware changes...

...Guess What? The damned display was all fouled up! Should I have shot the damned thing?

At least with Windows, if the Graphics card driver is not detected, it defaults to Windows generic driver...

...with Mint 14 it seemed that option was not available to the "developers", funny that don't you think?
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Message 1668541 - Posted: 22 Apr 2015, 17:57:46 UTC

Oh dear...
Yet Another Windows vs Linux "discussion"

A Linux distribution (often called a distro for short) is an operating system made as a software collection based on the Linux kernel and, often, on a package management system.
There are hundreds of theme...

Windows distrubutions are called versions...
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