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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000... Why are you complaining that sounds like good work for you? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists. And since Bill met Melinda he's even more:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists. Quite true, however, the way Martin evangelises Linux, one would think he would be up there alongside Linus. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000... Sounds very SOP in fact. Have a friend that worked for Big Blue. They had to bid on a contract to migrate equipment. They had lots of experts who could do the Big Blue stuff easy and cheaper than any other company. The hang up was Big Blue didn't have enough in house experts on the other vendors systems, so they had to include lots of padding time and money to learn the other vendors systems. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Wow, you really that good? Nope. Far from it. And that's the real scary part! So pray tell, why are you only an employee? Why aren't you head of your own company I am certainly no employee... (And likely no sane company person could survive being anywhere near me!... :-P OK, so excluding those that do but best not drag others down into the bits and bytes... ;-) ) a la "Linux Bill Gates"? Isn't that something of a contradiction of terms? Although, I'm sure there just has to be some few hundred pages of Microsoft EULA that could embrace that! IT is very much what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Actually both Linus Thorvald and Bill Gates are philantroptists. One more thing. Linux are a derivation or a fork OS of UNIX. And who started UNIX and their likes? Berkley University. MIT? SUN? OSX? Yes:) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000... It was if it wasn't for the extreme bad-mouthing from the 3rd-party support who should now be extremely embarrassed. That has turned a few hours job for everything to instead be a few hours job + far too many hours in telecons plus another day or two for extra documentation for the sake of bum covering and noone is happy. All very silly, and the hot air has been very wasteful, and from what I've experienced with the "3rd party support", for them Microsoft really does seem to be a religion with multiple sub-cults of Marketing-speak. (Very much like the "New-speak" of George Orwell's 1984.) Even though a good job has been done and with zero disruption and all exactly on time, and ridiculously under budget, noone is happy. Weird. Perhaps I should have claimed "out of scope" and charged $8000... But then that would be excruciatingly dishonest. IT is what we allow it to be. Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
A European Cisco in the making? Nokia started their company in Finland as making tires for cars. Now they are a very big company in the IT-business:) Talk about Sisu:):) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
They will be incurring an extra cost for the time the 3rd party has wasted for me, but that is nothing like their claimed $10,000... That I can sypathise with. For my example, I was working on the principle of minimum change and so the Microsoft-based office is still using all-Microsoft. The heavy lifting for compatibility was always going to be all on my side. (That old "we/Microsoft don't support that, but we can sell you a whole new system" silliness from the 3rd party support...) Hence easier to do the clicks on the Microsoft Exchange myself rather than waste a day explaining to the "3rd party" what to do to set up a second domain. Still scary that the approach by that "3rd party support" is very likely what they do to all their customers... Ouch. Hope that isn't their SOP! It is very much what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Here's a question for you... "Can you communicate regarding anything in the I.T world without mentioning Linux/Microsoft? ...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. As for business, that's down to the business concerned so this forum is not your personal "empty crate in Hyde Park" |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ... And yet the IT that business and consumers alike rely upon and that steers our very lives is all dominated by Google, Microsoft and Apple and the games and Marketing they play with us all... IT is what we allow it to be, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ... Oracle? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Hence easier to do the clicks on the Microsoft Exchange myself rather than waste a day explaining to the "3rd party" what to do to set up a second domain. In many companies that is a firing offense. Legal demands it be so. Because if you make a mistake now you have to fix it and that cost can be open ended. Still scary that the approach by that "3rd party support" is very likely what they do to all their customers... Ouch. Hope that isn't their SOP! Yes, it is SOP. Required by lawyers. Recently had a little experience with that. Work changed our ISP. They sent a man out to move the wire and he could do anything from the wan jack side of the router. He was forbidden to change the settings on the router to the new IP, subnet and DNS and said to call our IT tech to do that. Even though he knew how, if he did he would be fired. Welcome to the new wonderful world of insurance and lawyers! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
...I don't care whether a device/computer/appliance runs on Linux/Microsoft/Apple or even Teletubby software - if it does the job that a person wants it to do, that's all that matters. ... That may be so, so please take your "Spiel" to where it belongs - your Linux thread. If you haven't anything to comment regarding I.T in general without posting your "Spiel", take it elsewhere. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Open Source = Open Data Thanks for that microcosm. Sorry but all very small fry commonplace stuff for ANY software... Except... That has been highlighted precisely because the code is open to inspection by others to check. Contrast that with the recent fundamental howlers from Microsoft where "proprietary" allows very dubious code to persist for years... As recently demonstrated with the incredible "merely display some text and lose your Microsoft Windows system to the bad people"... What is much more interesting for your snippet is in the comments: Flaw in 3rd-party networking library leaves 1,500 iOS apps vulnerable to HTTPS snooping That highlights more a problem of those particular mobile apps not having a consistent update tree as is normally maintained elsewhere for other systems... More to the point: Why are not such fundamental network system services readily provided by the OS supplier?... Proprietary hang-ups get in the way? All a game of code? IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here's a beautiful example of how it can get to be so badly frustratingly wrong: Enraged US man shoots his malfunctioning computer ... so frustrated with his computer that he took it outside and shot it eight times, police say... ... Mr Hinch "shot the darn thing" when ctrl+alt+delete - the traditional method used to re-boot computers - "consistently did not work"... The old Microsoft ctl-alt-del?... To my mind, IT shouldn't be that way... And IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Did you really expect something better from the Linux Evangelist? Anything that shows Microsoft in a bad light so that Linux looks much better. Funny thing happened on the way to the Linux forum... ...Linux Mint 13 installed perfectly on a desktop... ...Linux Mint 14 released & installed on same desktop with no hardware changes... ...Guess What? The damned display was all fouled up! Should I have shot the damned thing? At least with Windows, if the Graphics card driver is not detected, it defaults to Windows generic driver... ...with Mint 14 it seemed that option was not available to the "developers", funny that don't you think? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Oh dear... Yet Another Windows vs Linux "discussion" A Linux distribution (often called a distro for short) is an operating system made as a software collection based on the Linux kernel and, often, on a package management system. There are hundreds of theme... Windows distrubutions are called versions... |
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