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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Scottish independence: Latest YouGov poll predicts No win THE last YouGov poll of the Scottish independence referendum has suggested the No campaign has edged ahead with 54% of the vote compared to 46% of Scots voting Yes. http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-latest-yougov-poll-predicts-no-win-1-3546529 |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
As for now no results. All pending. Midnight in Scotland The turnout is very high. Between 85% and 90%. Some regions is 100%!!! Between 3 AM and 4 AM we will have the result. Swedish FM Carl Bildt call it Battle of Britain:) https://twitter.com/carlbildt |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
From the BBC website: "CLACKMANNANSHIRE RESULT "No" wins by 19,036 to 16,350. The total number of ballots was 35,410, a turnout of 88.6%. " Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
From the BBC website: 2 for 2, Orkneys say NO. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Not looking good for Salmond with 19 out o 23 councils declaring no so far. Only 3 big councils left, Aberdeenshire, Edinburgh & Fife. If those three vote yes, the no's will need the remaining six to vote no to win. Could be a very close call. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22190 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
About an hour after Sirius's post, its looks as if it is all over for the "yes" campaign. With 29 of the 32 results in the "no" lead is all but impossible to pass. BBC site had a photo of Salmond in the back of a car looking as if he's been smacked round the face by a stale sturgeon...... aside: My long standing prediction of today being a day of celebration and grinding of teeth is true. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Fife just declared, the UK is safe :-) With 2 councils still to vote, the Nay's have it. Cameron must now be on his knees praying that he loses the next election so that he does not have to give us the referendum on Europe. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Ehm, no thats not how it works. The EU has zero say on such matters. If Scotland wanted to rejoin with England, its completely up to England to say yes or no, the EU won't be able to intervene. All that needs to be certain is that the region in particular will comply to EU laws and standards, which in the English/Scottish case won't be a problem. Ehm again, there has to be a limit of sorts. What happens if France, Germany, Spain and Italy decided that they would like to join the UK, hence it becomes the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, France, Germany, Spain and Italy...would that meet with the blessings of Brussels? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Fife just declared, the UK is safe :-) With 2 councils still to vote, the Nay's have it. Worse than that, he or someone else is going to have to deal with the English wanting their own devolution now. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
See how lucky the English , Scot's, welsh , Irish , Canadians , Australians , New Zealander's are WE GET TO VOTE ON OUR CONSTITUTION's unlike some others country that promotes FREEDOM which is a joke seeing as they can't vote on the most important document in there country ...... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Ehm again, there has to be a limit of sorts. What happens if France, Germany, Yes, like I said, the EU has no say over territorial control of its member states. It cannot prevent territories seceding or joining together. Such an unlikely union as you suggest would have far reaching consequences on the way voting works in the EU. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
In the Metro this morning there was a photo of some graffiti reading "No voters will be shot!" Nice to know. Wasn't aware there may have been plans to shoot any voters, thanks for the reassurance. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Turns out with a majority vote of 55% Scotland stays with the UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland/ rOZZ Music Pictures |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
If that were near me i'd be tempted to go and modify it: VOTE YES & NO VOTER'S TAMIFLU WILL BE SHOT! Edit: Quick and naff Photoshop: Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
In spite of all the rhetoric the bottom line is that most people are uncomfortable with major changes in their lives. It is still unclear to me how secession would have improved life in Scotland for the average citizen. But, as I said before, since I don't live there or anywhere in the UK I have nothing to base an opinion on. From what I understand the Scots already have control on matters concerning their daily lives. Now the question is will the 45% that voted yes set aside the independence movement and live peacefully with all their neighbors. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Hey Angela, I've just insulted a whole country again! Another one for the list :-) Probably one of the main reasons why they wanted independence & can you blame them with the Engleesh constantly insulting others, jus who would have thought that this is the 21st century. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Hey Angela, I've just insulted a whole country again! Another one for the list :-) And as a Scot, I am fed up with the stupid snipes by certain people. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The Alex Salmond Story A very interesting report. "Cameron was confident that the SNP could not win in a straight yes/no contest, so rejected Salmond's demands for a third "devo max" option - more powers for the Scottish Parliament in lieu of full independence - to be added to the ballot paper. In the event, Salmond came far closer to winning the referendum than anyone thought possible when it was announced. The Yes campaign's late surge in the polls shocked the Westminster establishment into offering what may amount to a form of "devo max" after all, before a single vote had been cast." Just what Westminster needed, an extra large wake up call... A Better future for the UK ...yep & Salmond will make sure you don't continue like this... ""What I said, although they turned my microphone off, was 'Poll tax for the poor, tax cuts for the rich, nothing for the National Health Service - an obscenity!' That was my wee speech," Salmond recalled earlier this year in an interview with Derek Bateman." ...unfortunately, that's going to be up to Sturgeon to do... Salmond to quit as first minister |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
But oh dear, Salmond has thrown a strop - bad loser? He's done the honourable thing by falling on his sword. How many in Westminster with the courage to do that? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Have a read of the comments below the report ..... The best of them... "At least unlike dithering Messrs Cameron, Milliband & Clegg who believe in nothing Alex Salmond has always had the Courage of his convictions and believed in what he stood for, now he has the dignity to impale himself on his own sword. Perhaps Cameron & Co can do the same." |
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