So, it is just come down to 'Scotland for Scot's'. The same type of thinking, that has happened in many parts of the world. Sometimes with disastrous results.

Pakistan, South Sudan, Israel/Palestine, Ireland, Yemen, Africa throughout the last century, the list goes on.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

I think it will be very costly for Scotland and England if they get independance

I think it will be very costly for Scotland and England if they get independance

Very much so, but Scotland has more to lose.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

I think it will be very costly for Scotland and England if they get independance

Very much so, but Scotland has more to lose.

Especially if these actually happen...

RBS "contingency for London move"

Could the BoE become a huge Scottish creditor?

Maybe the 2 fish can walk on water & feed the many as one can be sure that asides from the RBS & Standard Life, many more will be considering departing...

...what then Fish-heads?

OMG! Run for the hills!

Scotland's longest living moving south...

OMG! Run for the hills!

Scotland's longest living moving south...

Looks like a foreshortened swan to me.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

What the 2 fish-heads, Salmon(d) & Sturgeon are failing to tell their constituents...

Business row intensifies

Scotland's debt burden

It seem even the banks are look at problems for future independent Scotland and they did not see the bank problems that came a few years ago so it must be bad if they are deserting the ship

What the 2 fish-heads, Salmon(d) & Sturgeon are failing to tell their constituents...

Business row intensifies

Scotland's debt burden

LOL
Salmon & Sturgeon
I am Mr Jellyfish:)

Interesting reaction from the English side. It shows the poverty of English thinking, the complete economization of thought. You guys formed a Union with Scotland for hundreds of years, thats hundreds of years of cultural and historical links. And now there is a group of people that want to get out of this Union, and your primary and virtually only response is 'don't do it because its bad for the economy'? Why isn't anyone talking about what an utter shame it would be if the English and the Scots broke off their hundreds of years of being a single country. If all that shared culture and history gets thrown down the drain for some silly idea that the Scots are better off alone. Where is the emotional argument?

If money is all the English care about, then yeah, good for Scotland to get out, because clearly those hundreds of years of being together, all that shared history and culture, meant nothing to the English.

Interesting reaction from the English side. It shows the poverty of English thinking, the complete economization of thought. You guys formed a Union with Scotland for hundreds of years, thats hundreds of years of cultural and historical links. And now there is a group of people that want to get out of this Union, and your primary and virtually only response is 'don't do it because its bad for the economy'? Why isn't anyone talking about what an utter shame it would be if the English and the Scots broke off their hundreds of years of being a single country. If all that shared culture and history gets thrown down the drain for some silly idea that the Scots are better off alone. Where is the emotional argument?

If money is all the English care about, then yeah, good for Scotland to get out, because clearly those hundreds of years of being together, all that shared history and culture, meant nothing to the English.

Hmmmm Let me Think:)

Where is the emotional argument?

I don't miss that.

Too many arguments on other subjects (vaccines, climate change, antibiotics, capital punishment, etc) get sidelined by people's petty emotions. I for one am glad that for once a debate about an important topic is being conducted predominantly using cold facts and reason.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Where is the emotional argument?

I don't miss that.

Too many arguments on other subjects (vaccines, climate change, antibiotics, capital punishment, etc) get sidelined by people's petty emotions. I for one am glad that for once a debate about an important topic is being conducted predominantly using cold facts and reason.

And I think thats a mistake. The whole discussion about whether Scotland should become independent is fundamentally emotion driven. Ignoring the emotional dimension of this discussion simply shows you guys fundamentally do not understand why Scotland wants independence and which is why they might actually get their independence.

Sure, you should address the potential economic consequences, but that is just one argument, its a fairly weak argument, and since its so unemotional in a discussion about fundamentally such an emotional issue, its perhaps not a very effective argument. Besides, surely you can construct a discourse that highlights more than just one argument?

Economics' Means: Standard of Living. Possibly putting innocent people into poverty.

Those that impose THEIR Morality, Ideology, Theology, etc., upon other's, for EMOTIONAL Reasons, have been the scourge of Humanity, since the beginning.

THEY are the one's displaying THEIR Poverty of Thinking.

Look, I'm not saying that it shouldn't be discussed. But again, wanting your own country is an inherently emotional need. And whether you like it or not, emotion often trumps reason, so you are deliberately sabotaging yourself if you only come up with rational, unemotional arguments in an emotional discussion. Frankly, it demonstrates that you do not understand what they want and it highlights for them that they are indeed better off alone than being ruled by a group that doesn't get them and therefor cannot accurately represent them.

The whole discussion about whether Scotland should become independent is fundamentally emotion driven. Ignoring the emotional dimension of this discussion simply shows you guys fundamentally do not understand why Scotland wants independence and which is why they might actually get their independence.

Of course it is. Much like the Crimea crisis when it comes to history
Union Jack is a combination of the flags of England, Scotland, and St Patrick's flag for Ireland.

Where is the emotional argument?

I don't miss that.

Too many arguments on other subjects (vaccines, climate change, antibiotics, capital punishment, etc) get sidelined by people's petty emotions. I for one am glad that for once a debate about an important topic is being conducted predominantly using cold facts and reason.

And I think thats a mistake. The whole discussion about whether Scotland should become independent is fundamentally emotion driven. Ignoring the emotional dimension of this discussion simply shows you guys fundamentally do not understand why Scotland wants independence and which is why they might actually get their independence.

Sure, you should address the potential economic consequences, but that is just one argument, its a fairly weak argument, and since its so unemotional in a discussion about fundamentally such an emotional issue, its perhaps not a very effective argument. Besides, surely you can construct a discourse that highlights more than just one argument?

Vote in line with your emotions.

Repent afterwards once common sense has been applied.

It's how the SNP have been applying their campaign here by appealing to
peoples emotions to win them the day. Whilst along the way fudging over
common sense arguments against independence.

.....And why are main stream Scottish based business stating that if
Independence is gained they will move their Headquarters over to England.
Quote Jim Sillars of the SNP, "We will nationalise BP"....that's enough to
want to make any big business in Scotland want to relocate South of the
boarder.

I do apologise for not permitting my emotions to take charge of me here on
this issue. Possibly here due to me being English. Also, may I apologise
here on behalf of all those Scotish people, currently about 50%, who also
ignore the emotional side of the Independence debate hence apply their
common sense instead.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Er excuse me Jim lad, you're not in a holyrood version of "Treasure Island", so be careful laddie...

Fish-head No 1 says it will be a "day of celebration not reckoning"

You wanna nationalise BP? In case you forgot Salmon(d), the b stands for British not Scottish!

"He added: "This referendum is about power, and when we get a 'Yes' majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.""

So fish-head, you'll be looking for the EU to bail you out when you lose all the businesses up there.

It shows the poverty of English thinking,

We are responding to the above silliness.

We DO understand emotion. But there are very real Practical Concerns. IE: How it REALLY effects The People's lives. 51% should not be able to say 'drop dead' to the 49%. Perhaps this type of question should be decided by much more than 51%.

In The USA: The important question of Amending The Constitution, of an EXISTING Government: 2/3 of Both Houses of Congress, then 3/4 of The States must ratify.

Maybe, the question of Independence, should be a Super Majority.

AFAIK Scotland and England is not Amending The Constitution.
It will take years to do that.

It shows the poverty of English thinking,

We are responding to the above silliness.

We DO understand emotion. But there are very real Practical Concerns. IE: How it REALLY effects The People's lives. 51% should not be able to say 'drop dead' to the 49%. Perhaps this type of question should be decided by much more than 51%.

In The USA: The important question of Amending The Constitution, of an EXISTING Government: 2/3 of Both Houses of Congress, then 3/4 of The States must ratify.

Maybe, the question of Independence, should be a Super Majority.

For one, it is completely irrelevant how it works in the US, this is about Scotland. Other side of the Ocean.

And second, in a fundamentally emotional discussion, the first and pretty much only argument the English against Scottish independence is that its going to cost everyone a lot of money. Basically you are saying you are putting money above everything and that if the economy wouldnt take a hit, you wouldnt give a damn if the Scottish people seceded from the Union. Thats the message you are sending the people in Scotland. Is that a smart message to send when they are threatening to give you the finger and begin their own country? Not really.

It shows the poverty of English thinking,

We are responding to the above silliness.

We DO understand emotion. But there are very real Practical Concerns. IE: How it REALLY effects The People's lives. 51% should not be able to say 'drop dead' to the 49%. Perhaps this type of question should be decided by much more than 51%.

In The USA: The important question of Amending The Constitution, of an EXISTING Government: 2/3 of Both Houses of Congress, then 3/4 of The States must ratify.

Maybe, the question of Independence, should be a Super Majority.

For one, it is completely irrelevant how it works in the US, this is about Scotland. Other side of the Ocean.

And second, in a fundamentally emotional discussion, the first and pretty much only argument the English against Scottish independence is that its going to cost everyone a lot of money. Basically you are saying you are putting money above everything and that if the economy wouldnt take a hit, you wouldnt give a damn if the Scottish people seceded from the Union. Thats the message you are sending the people in Scotland. Is that a smart message to send when they are threatening to give you the finger and begin their own country? Not really.

That could well be the message that pushed the poll results to 51% in favour of independence...

edit: hence the headless chicken run up north by our elected (SNORT) leader