Meanwhile, a survey has suggested that more people think Britain should stay in the EU but try to reduce its powers (38%) than want to leave (28%).

Any chance of laying your hands on this survey save we might be able to read it..
..questions and all?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

One interesting survey & no it's not from the Waily Fail

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One interesting survey & no it's not from the Waily Fail

At least with this survey you know what the question being asked was.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

One interesting survey & no it's not from the Waily Fail

At least with this survey you know what the question being asked was.

Yes, what I found surprising was the split amongst the parties.

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One interesting survey & no it's not from the Waily Fail

At least with this survey you know what the question being asked was.

Yes, what I found surprising was the split amongst the parties.

"About 68% of Conservative"....why is the percentage higher amongst Conservative
voters than it is between the other two parties?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

But what is more worrying is the percentage of the other two parties considering their membership totals.

44% labour and 39% Liberal?

Don't forget that survey was posted in November 2012, just what have the parties leadership being doing for the past 14 months to rectify this?

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The Grauniad is generally seen these days as a fringe left wing newspaper, so I would advise anyone to take their findings with a pinch of salt.

56% of people would probably or definitely vote for the UK to go it alone if they were offered the choice in a referendum.

About 68% of Conservative voters want to leave the EU, against 24% who want to remain

44% of Labour voters would probably choose to get out, against 39% who would back staying in

39% of Liberal Democrats would probably or definitely vote to get out, compared with 47% who would prefer to remain in the EU.

It's all still to play for, and two years away as well. All these "probably" opinions do nothing more than muddy the waters.

Just over 15 months to go. We are aware of your media dislikes so who do we listen to?

The Lib-Dem Press Office by chance?

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Just over 15 months to go. We are aware of your media dislikes so who do we listen to?

The Lib-Dem Press Office by chance?

None of them....just tune in to the Sirius & Nick show with regular guest
commentator contributions coming from Chris.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

You wont be getting any. I may have started this thread, but as it has been gatecrashed you are welcome to it. This maybe the report you were wanting.

Report

Shall give this a read.....

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

You wont be getting any. I may have started this thread, but as it has been gatecrashed you are welcome to it. This maybe the report you were wanting.

Report

First, can't see where we've gate-crashed it. Did the thread title state "By invitation only?"

Secondly, that report is about Britain's hopes and fears for the future 2012, and although a good report, there is nowhere within it relating to the survey you mentioned or were asked for.

"Meanwhile, a survey has suggested that more people think Britain should stay in the EU but try to reduce its powers (38%) than want to leave (28%).

However the percentages quoted do actually appear in the British Future's State of the Nation 2014 Report.

State of the Nation 2014

They appear roughly halfway down under the pie chart with the heading: How much Europe do we want?

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And about time. The sensible voice is getting there slowly but surely, and is overtaking the tabloid readers, who are becoming increasingly marginalised.

Some interesting information with regards to British Future.

Whois Britishfuture.org

Interesting in that the domain name itself is registered in Germany.

Their office located in West Central London where the business rates and building rents are very high.

Most buildings in Kean Street are 6 storeys high with each building holding between 5 and twenty registered businesses. The majority having 1/2 offices.

Someone is paying very highly for this organisation of 6/8 staff at most, I wonder who.

For now, I'll continue reading the tabloids, more interesting.

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Polling was conducted on behalf of British Future by Ipsos MORI from 6-­‐11 December 2013.

Who the poll was conducted for, is of no real consequence, it was a poll by MORI who are an respected organisation, therefore the findings are credible.

Opinion Polls

For someone who knocks the opinions of others, the above is hilarious.

As for respected organisations, Parliament, NHS, Civil Service were respectable once, whatever happened to respectability?

We need experienced and dedicated managers who care about people, and who put the job first and the salary second. They seem a dying breed.

That quote which is one of the finest you have ever made also applies here.

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Actually all that complaining about the EU being any less of an economic organization is nonsense. The EU did however take the simple free trade agreements a step further, by creating a single European market. Thats what the whole Maastricht treaty is basically about. Granted, there is some stuff there about non economic cooperation as well, but in all those areas the member states still get to decide what they want to regulate at a European level and what they want to keep doing themselves. And honestly I think some cooperation in those areas is needed if you want an effective single market. Furthermore, in all those non economic areas the UK basically opted out with the ability to opt in if they want to. So most of the things that happen there don't even apply to the UK.

Besides, whats wrong with creating regulatory frameworks that make it easier for police to cooperate with each other or the ability to talk and make decisions regarding foreign affairs with other European countries. Cooperation only makes individual member states stronger.

Actually all that complaining about the EU being any less of an economic organization is nonsense.

Can't see where that has been mentioned. It's all about being a cohesive and responsible organisation, which it is not at this time, nor has it ever been one.

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Can't see where that has been mentioned. It's all about being a cohesive and responsible organisation, which it is not at this time, nor has it ever been one.

How is it an irresponsible organization?

Can't see where that has been mentioned. It's all about being a cohesive and responsible organisation, which it is not at this time, nor has it ever been one.

How is it an irresponsible organization?

Because it doesn't ensure that it's rules and laws are implemented equally in all the member countries.

Because it doesn't ensure that it's rules and laws are implemented equally in all the member countries.

How can it when one member state opt outs of a lot of those rules and is the first to complain every time the EU wants more power. Sorry, but this is unfair criticism, especially coming from British people.

Because it doesn't ensure that it's rules and laws are implemented equally in all the member countries.

How can it when one member state opt outs of a lot of those rules and is the first to complain every time the EU wants more power. Sorry, but this is unfair criticism, especially coming from British people.

Except of course I don't live in the UK all the time, and see the differences.

Because it doesn't ensure that it's rules and laws are implemented equally in all the member countries.

How can it when one member state opt outs of a lot of those rules and is the first to complain every time the EU wants more power. Sorry, but this is unfair criticism, especially coming from British people.

Really?

Let's take lighting.

Rather than wait until the manufacturers had perfected low energy lighting THEN faze out incandescent light bulbs, the EU banned such bulbs. Five years on, have the manufacturers perfected the new lighting?

To date, there have been many complaints of the types not even lasting 48 hours compared to the length they were supposed to.

Secondly, have you sat in a room with them and read? They are impossible and surely must cause problems for people's eyesight.

How's that for irresponsibility?

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Really?

Let's take lighting.

Rather than wait until the manufacturers had perfected low energy lighting THEN faze out incandescent light bulbs, the EU banned such bulbs. Five years on, have the manufacturers perfected the new lighting?

To date, there have been many complaints of the types not even lasting 48 hours compared to the length they were supposed to.

Secondly, have you sat in a room with them and read? They are impossible and surely must cause problems for people's eyesight.

How's that for irresponsibility?

Seriously? All I hear from people is that the light is to bright and white for their tastes. And I haven't heard of anyone complaining about the quality of the low energy light bulbs, well, except that people don't like the way it looks. But no complaints about those things breaking to quickly.

And seriously, this is why you don't like the EU? Because they banned the old fashioned light bulb to quickly in your opinion? Right....