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Message 1688936 - Posted: 7 Jun 2015, 15:12:11 UTC - in response to Message 1688920.  

Since Left of Center 'Ideas' have failed to help, or made matters worse:

We can safely dismiss them.


Speaking from your cloistered world again i see , um can you tell me how the masses where educated again please , it wasn't the private schools at least it wasn't in my country or England .

Clyde do you know what a ID means when talking about Humans mental health or what happens when people don't have one ? or why they can lose it ?

It is about a Culture of Poverty, and dismissing Inner City Persons, as Inferior, and unable to succeed without their 'Superiors'.


i would say it's got more to do with psychology than a culture of poverty
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Message 1688939 - Posted: 7 Jun 2015, 15:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1688936.  

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Speaking from your cloistered world again i see , um can you tell me how the masses where educated again please , it wasn't the private schools at least it wasn't in my country or England .
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Originally it was for the very rich or done by philanthropists, so very patchy and not for everyone.

If there actually was a legit way to profit from education for everyone, I am sure it would have not have been needed to be done by the state in the first place. The benevolent hand of the free market would have magically built schools for everyone, even if they were poor.

Do remember, that the US education system is one of the worst in the western world and they don't actually know what a good education system looks like.
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Message 1689184 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 14:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 1689181.  

The Right doesn't disguise their Racism against Blacks, and other minorities, as The Left does.

The Left Wing belief in the Evil 19th Century Theory of 'White Man's Burden' is alive and well in their hearts.

Of course they will yell, rant, and scream RACISM against those who believe Blacks, and other minorities, can do it, as everyone else did.

Their Racism. Their problem.


Silly, unthinking, "I'm not a rightist" typical rant.
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Message 1689191 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 14:49:29 UTC - in response to Message 1687771.  

Individual choice, regarding what is best for their Inner City Children.

While attempting to 'fix' our schools, understanding the 'solutions' may not work, or possibly make it worse:

Let's help who we can, in the meantime, with Vouchers.

Only the 'Brain Dead', do not understand their 'solutions' may not work.

The truly Intellectual, Experienced, and Practical person understands, 'Failure is always an option'.

Well, does that make you braindead, because your solutions may not work either for a lot of people. Or as you like to say, the cure might be worse than the disease.
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Message 1689202 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 15:45:56 UTC - in response to Message 1689181.  

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'Mucho' money is spent on Inner City Schools..

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More Than 40% of Low-Income Schools Don't Get a Fair Share of State and Local Funds, Department of Education Research Finds

"The analysis of new data on 2008-09 school-level expenditures shows that many high-poverty schools receive less than their fair share of state and local funding, leaving students in high-poverty schools with fewer resources than schools attended by their wealthier peers.

The data reveal that more than 40 percent of schools that receive federal Title I money to serve disadvantaged students spent less state and local money on teachers and other personnel than schools that don't receive Title I money at the same grade level in the same district."


So you'd be wrong about that.

“Baltimore spends more than $15,000 per student each school year. That is more than virtually every developed nation in the world spends. And the third-highest for a large school system in America. Yet Baltimore’s results are among the worst,”

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/05/11/3657281/baltimore-mayor-demands-state-funding-cash-strapped-schools/

Both Left Wing responses, show the real problem.

Racism by Progressives, and most of The Left.

They, because of their Racism of 'Low Expectations' of Blacks: Are the fundamental problem.

Blacks, and other formally, or presently oppressed people can do it. Only The KKK and Progressives types, don't believe this.

The Right doesn't disguise their Racism against Blacks, and other minorities, as The Left does.

The Left Wing belief in the Evil 19th Century Theory of 'White Man's Burden' is alive and well in their hearts.

Of course they will yell, rant, and scream RACISM against those who believe Blacks, and other minorities, can do it, as everyone else did.

Their Racism. Their problem.

I appreciate your dedication to conservative talking points, but perhaps you should have read the whole article:

"Baltimore ranks 20th among the country’s 500 largest school districts in terms of spending and 160th among school districts with at least 5,000 students. When accounting for the fact that Baltimore’s school funding gets shared with charter schools, you see that public schools don’t receive much funding per student, at only $5,336 per student next year. The governor proposed to allot more money to charter schools in the state budget but the legislature did not pass the measure. "
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Message 1689204 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 15:59:01 UTC

Also, throwing money at something does not necessarily improve it. If its just spend on more standardized testing or something, it doesn't improve the quality of education.
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Message 1689287 - Posted: 8 Jun 2015, 22:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 1689181.  

My, my my. For someone who claims to be center, you seem to be channeling Rusty Lintball here.
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Message 1689446 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 10:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 1689287.  

My, my my. For someone who claims to be center, you seem to be channeling Rusty Lintball here.

Care to explain what that means? Google was no help.
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Message 1689447 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 11:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 1689446.  

My, my my. For someone who claims to be center, you seem to be channeling Rusty Lintball here.

Care to explain what that means? Google was no help.

Oh I don't know. Google seemed to find a few examples. :-)


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Message 1689451 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 11:14:57 UTC

That's not what i got:


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Message 1689457 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 12:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 1689446.  

My, my my. For someone who claims to be center, you seem to be channeling Rusty Lintball here.

Care to explain what that means? Google was no help.


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Message 1689478 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 13:55:19 UTC - in response to Message 1689457.  

My, my my. For someone who claims to be center, you seem to be channeling Rusty Lintball here.

Care to explain what that means? Google was no help.


Rush.Limbaugh.

I'd say those of you who did not know this are likely unfit to comment on American political issues.
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Message 1689509 - Posted: 9 Jun 2015, 15:31:52 UTC - in response to Message 1689477.  

I appreciate your dedication to conservative talking points, but perhaps you should have read the whole article:

I did. These articles are always pick-and-choose. Depends on the point of view, one brings to the subject.

Es99...

Again, having no clue that Anti-Left - doesn't mean Pro-Right.

Let me give the following analogy to you, Sarge, and other truly non-thinking ideologues.

It is 1938. You are attempting to explain why Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, etc., is wrong, and it will always result in the Mass Murdering of Innocents.

The person, with whom you are discussing this, is a Left Winger.

This Left Winger now believes you are, and accuses you of, since you are Anti-Marxism: Of being a Nazi and believing their causes.

Of course, anyone believing this, and accusing you of this: Is a totally brain dead person, or living in an Ideological Fantasy World.

Why would Anti-Marxism be Pro-Nazi?

Es99...

Could you, and others, please explain the difference.

Clyde, your talking points were literally conservative talking points. When I googled your argument all the sources were right wing blogs and news sources.

It looks like you are doing weird contortions in an effort not to be associated with yourself.
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Message 1689611 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 3:12:28 UTC

He deserves no response. HE is the ideologue.
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Message 1689659 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 5:43:22 UTC
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Clyde says:
Today is the Day Marty McFly Went to the Future!



Sarge says:
Watch about 5 minutes of the movie.



Clyde cries:
You lying ideologue!!!


PMLandia watches movie, finds Sarge is the one that is right.

Please try a non-strawman. Nothing is lost otherwise.
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Message 1689756 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 11:38:19 UTC

Please, do edumucate us some more.
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Message 1689772 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 12:44:10 UTC

It's lovely for children when "society" gets involved...

Social experiment gone wrong

...over 50 years later...

"an internal investigation showed that some of the documents detailing the organisation's involvement have disappeared - Save the Children admits they could have been deliberately destroyed."

...nothing new there then.
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Message 1689809 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 15:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 1689772.  

It's lovely for children when "society" gets involved...

Social experiment gone wrong

...over 50 years later...

"an internal investigation showed that some of the documents detailing the organisation's involvement have disappeared - Save the Children admits they could have been deliberately destroyed."

...nothing new there then.

This probably belongs in the racist thread, it is similar to the residential schools in Canada that have been mentioned there. Although not as bad, the intent was the same.
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Message 1689869 - Posted: 10 Jun 2015, 18:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 1689809.  

It's lovely for children when "society" gets involved...

Social experiment gone wrong

...over 50 years later...

"an internal investigation showed that some of the documents detailing the organisation's involvement have disappeared - Save the Children admits they could have been deliberately destroyed."

...nothing new there then.

This probably belongs in the racist thread, it is similar to the residential schools in Canada that have been mentioned there. Although not as bad, the intent was the same.

Or the similar schools in the USA.
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Message 1689993 - Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 3:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 1689869.  

It's lovely for children when "society" gets involved...

Social experiment gone wrong

...over 50 years later...

"an internal investigation showed that some of the documents detailing the organisation's involvement have disappeared - Save the Children admits they could have been deliberately destroyed."

...nothing new there then.

This probably belongs in the racist thread, it is similar to the residential schools in Canada that have been mentioned there. Although not as bad, the intent was the same.

Or the similar schools in the USA.


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