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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We'll see how far this one gets. Yes, welcome to the USA. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
We'll see how far this one gets. There is that, but Rotherham has shown the other side of that coin. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the UK. An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy, I suspect anyone who wants to throw barriers in the way of people becoming educated. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans But granting the discharges could mean the loss of billions of dollars in taxpayer money and set a precedent for future requests for loan forgiveness. Another fine mess the taxpayer will have to pay for, or the taxpayer's children and grand children. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans Because the scheme was set up stupid to begin with. That is what happens when you try to apply free-market ideas to something that absolutely should be in the public sector such as education. The idea of for-profit schools and universities is so obviously idiotic and open to abuse. Reality Internet Personality |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Here in Australia things at the moment are different but because the current government has been listening to there American friends they are trying to turn our system into the American system ......You Americans do get some things wrong sometimes so take some of your education ideas and bxxxxx off |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans I am, and will continue to, pay for mine. Affordability is key. However, I will soon be filling these forms out: Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Here you would not owe $100,000 + student loans as it's regulated and subzidised by Fed and state Governments . Christopher Pine Minister for Education want's to deregulate the system , but that would mean over time the Uni free's will increase and become like your system and they don't wish to stop there , they also wish to have Local school Boards, like i believe the States have . Big no to second one ...YOU END UP WITH WITH stupid boards teaching B/S like divine creation |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Some people will say that if we didn't provide all this overseas aid to countries where they don't deserve it or it is not needed, that could fund it. But the figures wouldn't add up. I wish I had an answer to it all, but I don't. It'd be a good start though. I'm not against helping countries that have suffered a natural disaster, like the earthquake in Haiti etc, but pouring money into the black holes that are India, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, etc, then saying we can't afford new cancer drugs really grates! Also would help if we stopped sending troops to middle east countries. It seems to be a never ending game of whack-a-mole, as soon as one country has been flattened another 'threat' pops up. If they're that determined to kill each other we should just leave them to it. We should still maintain the army, in case Germany ever gets ideas again, but keep them in this country and spend the vast sums of money saved on stuff like hospitals and education. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
It's too early for the "second coming" so miracles we'll have to wait that bit longer for. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live. White Man's Burden. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live. Maybe it's time that the countries concerned accept that burden themselves. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live. Boots on the ground is a last option, we prefer to help the allies with air and sea power.When it comes to slaughtering children and minorities of other nations, Britain's got form. Time someone else had a go at fixing the problem. It was also tongue in cheek.in case Germany ever gets ideas again, Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Your sarcasm is noted :-) |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
It was also tongue in cheek. It wouldn't have scanned. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Wow thank's Sirius for that wonder if this is a prelude to Minister for Education Mr Christopher Pine has in stall for the rest of the school system he wishes to transform . Wonder if it was a private or public school as the article does not say ....my money would be a private school seeing as it's Canberra where all the snotty nose polly's are |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
What I find wrong about this is that there is no mention of the parents, For a start, anyone that names their child Kyle has to be a bit suspect for a start. Why aren't they in court being charged with neglect? With people with your views in the system, the poor devil was screwed from the start! Why do you use Chris instead of Christopher? After all, that is your name is it not? Secondly, just what is wrong with Kyle? |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
My student loan debt is not that large, nor is it very small. Most of it was accrued during graduate school, past a Master's degree. When one decides, after a few years, to go back to school and earns about 1/3 or less of what he earned prior, one cuts back, but there are still earlier bills to pay, plus it may take time to figure out what and how much to cut. Also, as I implied, I do not wish to leave my debts for the taxpayers to pick up. On the other hand, I have put in a great amount of public service and so I will be applying to get some of that debt forgiven. Note that one of the requirements is 10 years of on time payments for at least the amount due each month. Your second point had nothing to do with anything I posted, yet I shall address it. Yes, it is in our Constitution that education is left to the localities and the state governments, not the federal government. Given what most of what I gather from your posts, you would not like, say, the Texas curriculum, but you might like the curriculum of NY State, or at least what it used to be. I am a product of the latter, for better or worse. What you seem to be unaware of is that the US federal government has become more and more involved in local state decisions. You might think that is a good thing. If so, look more into Laura Bush's "No Child Left Behind" (sounds so grand on the surface) or "Common Core" that is working its way through during the current Obama administration. I am not passing judgment, but I am aware of pros and cons. Pro: a family with children could move in the middle of a school year from Texas to New York State and not lose time because a child learning 7th grade math in Texas turns out to be learning 5th or 6th grade math in NY State. (No offense to Texas: this is just a hypothetical example!) Con: apparently one publishing company is producing materials for this nationwide curriculum. (Disclaimer: I have done freelance accuracy checking for the publisher.) Furthermore, in Texas, there are apparently enough politicians from the local to state level to have Creationism taught in science classes. Texas remains the largest state in terms of population, so there curriculum choices can have influences on publishers' choices. If you are against Creationism, do you want Texas to eventually force it to be taught nationwide via their influence on the publisher? Or, if you are against evolution, that NY STate (perhaps around 4th in population these days?) to force teaching of evolution on the rest of the nation? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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