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Message 1494194 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 21:51:58 UTC - in response to Message 1494174.  

These days with some delivery companies you can watch were the driver is going, with the online tracker. Last week, on the 13th, I was waiting for a parcel and three times the driver was within 100 yds of my front door and considering where the next deliveries were he must have passed by my house twice, (out in the countryside you can say that, there is only one road from A to B) before lunch, this I assume he had on a nearby industrial park before making my delivery at just after 13:30.
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Message 1494197 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 21:52:52 UTC - in response to Message 1494191.  
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No, 25 years and a completely different company.

edit] typo there that should read 35 years.
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Message 1494209 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 22:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 1494195.  
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I don't know the company that you do your driving for, but these days most drivers are given their route which is compiled by computer. Their lorry is also loaded in exactly the right order so that the first drop comes off first and the last drop last. Assuming that it isn't a curtain wall vehicle.


You're talking through your butt, stay off the wiki.

As for 1st & Last, correct. The problem is that with all the software out there, none take into account the actual locality of postcodes. In fact, myself and several other drivers were invited into a meeting at the last company I worked for.

They wanted to know how to cut down on the time & costs of the runs. I was taken off my Oxfordshire regular runs and given London.

Why? That run had 35 drops a day and were compiled via computer. The drivers were going back on themselves several times - what a cock up. Within 60 minutes run organised and to date, it is still being delivered that way. They no longer use the computer to compile the runs but an experienced driver.

A computer will put PE12 in between PE1 & 2. As for the Supermarkets, that is mainly 44 ton work and easily sorted as it is either a curtainsider or refrigerated trailer.

Edit:- I see Harveys have been having problems, I wonder why?

Several weeks ago I had a weeks work for them. After the first day, told them to get stuffed.

Delivered to Shotley, back to Woodbridge then out to Shotley Gate and with them you MUST deliver in the order they are printed and must use sat-nav.
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Message 1494218 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 22:17:52 UTC - in response to Message 1494216.  

You're talking through your butt, stay off the wiki.

Firstly don't be so rude, there is no necessity for it. And I wasn't using the Wiki, but my own knowledge.

As for 1st & Last, correct. The problem is that with all the software out there, none take into account the actual locality of postcodes.

Well then, it is about time that some decent software was provided that did so. Experienced drivers won't be around forever.


Ah, so you have knowledge of the transport industry, Teaching profession, engineering profession and we must accept that fact while you rubbish those with knowledge and experience in their field?

I was replying to the inference that I am a liar and a useless driver. With over 30 years in the transport industry, you know better than me? I bow to one so endowed with such a wealth of experience!
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Message 1494311 - Posted: 24 Mar 2014, 4:23:55 UTC - in response to Message 1494168.  

And even today some "apprenticeships" last longer than that. To do my job you need at least fifteen years "in industry", plus another ten before that "post qualification" just to get through the first door. Then there is another three to five years of mentoring before it is considered you can do the job "fairly well" and work unsupervised most of the time, apart from the annual CPD interview, the annual assessment, the bi-annual written which just keep rolling on and on....

What the hell? Your talking 30 years just to be mostly unsupervised? I think thats called indentured servitude.
Just what was your line of work?
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Message 1494614 - Posted: 24 Mar 2014, 17:40:26 UTC - in response to Message 1494034.  

Oh dear, is this the rod that shafts Nickerless Clegg?

Student Loans face timebomb

"The coalition is facing a student loans repayment "timebomb" which could prove electorally "catastrophic" for the Liberal Democrats"

"The people who want to return to the old system are saying we should write off 100% of the money and hand over grants to universities in the old way."
So he knows the correct answer, but is doing something else, and people ask why i don't like politics.
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Message 1494827 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 0:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 1494157.  


So we have unemployable 16 year olds with no qualis, and 21 year olds, with unwanted qualis.


There is a third and unfortunate one as well.

Those qualified with degrees in the subjects they wanted and on entering the workplace, get told that they are overqualified.

If the only reason we are educating people is so they can make better workers then you have a point. If we are educating people so we can all have a better society then it doesn't matter. Of course if we burden them with debt then it does matter.

The only thing that should bar someone from higher education is whether they are capable of doing or not.

The better people are educated the better it is for everyone.
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Message 1495033 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 10:34:14 UTC - in response to Message 1494621.  

Nobody "likes" politics but it is a necessary part of daily life, countries don't run themselves.. But I do wish they'd just fund education properly and leave it to the teachers to get on with it.

*Ahem* I like politics. I don't like most politicians, but I like politics. It is interesting.
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Message 1495040 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 11:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 1495038.  

That's a bit like saying you like getting drunk, but don't like alcohol!

I do not dislike politicians on principle. I just think the current ones are not doing a good job. So it would be more like that I like getting drunk, just not by consuming copious amounts of Karlsberg. I prefer my Belgian beers :D
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Message 1495049 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 11:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1494621.  

Nobody "likes" politics but it is a necessary part of daily life, countries don't run themselves.. But I do wish they'd just fund education properly and leave it to the teachers to get on with it.


From the above it seems you subscribe to a rather narrow definition of politics.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1495162 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 19:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 1494827.  


So we have unemployable 16 year olds with no qualis, and 21 year olds, with unwanted qualis.


There is a third and unfortunate one as well.

Those qualified with degrees in the subjects they wanted and on entering the workplace, get told that they are overqualified.

If the only reason we are educating people is so they can make better workers then you have a point. If we are educating people so we can all have a better society then it doesn't matter. Of course if we burden them with debt then it does matter.

The only thing that should bar someone from higher education is whether they are capable of doing or not.

The better people are educated the better it is for everyone.



Intelligence and motivation play a part as well. You can try educating people who just don't want to be educated due to childhood problems or social influences which results in psychological problems or just because of a low IQ in general.
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Message 1495183 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 20:14:21 UTC

Makes one wonder....

Nice headline

"The other children who are native English speakers have not got a formal enough level of English that will get them that A-star grade in history or that A-grade in science."

Whose fault is that?
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Message 1495204 - Posted: 25 Mar 2014, 20:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 1495183.  

Makes one wonder....

Nice headline

"The other children who are native English speakers have not got a formal enough level of English that will get them that A-star grade in history or that A-grade in science."

Whose fault is that?



Not theirs nor the ones that educate them...
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Message 1495592 - Posted: 26 Mar 2014, 15:56:06 UTC

Of course this does not help.....

"The union said the strike action was covered by two ballots held in May 2011 and June 2012."

Err, this is March 2014, a new ballot should have been taken.

Strike shuts schools
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Message 1502804 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 18:47:11 UTC

I've not come across anything that so much sums up what I think society's role in education is. This is what I strive for in my classroom. Not league tables, not grades, or producing good consumers.

To me this is the primary purpose of education. Kurt Vonnegut got it very right.

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Message 1502825 - Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 19:07:19 UTC - in response to Message 1502804.  
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I've not come across anything that so much sums up what I think society's role in education is. This is what I strive for in my classroom. Not league tables, not grades, or producing good consumers.

To me this is the primary purpose of education. Kurt Vonnegut got it very right.

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I dont know if Kurt Vonnegut was right but I do think people who educate our kids play a very important role! As a parent too it's your primary 'role' to teach your kids the 'right ways'.
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Message 1503094 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 10:04:59 UTC

Something like this would really throw modern kids a curve... :-)

What's lurking inside BoE's vaults?

Hint for Pounds(£) Shillings[s) & Pence[d), there were 240 pennies to the pound, 12 pennies to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound for those curious enough to attempt the math.
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Message 1503229 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 17:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 1503094.  

Something like this would really throw modern kids a curve... :-)

What's lurking inside BoE's vaults?

Hint for Pounds(£) Shillings[s) & Pence[d), there were 240 pennies to the pound, 12 pennies to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound for those curious enough to attempt the math.

Well unit conversion is still on the curriculum between Imperial and SI, as some backward countries still insist on using Imperial.
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Message 1503233 - Posted: 12 Apr 2014, 17:21:40 UTC - in response to Message 1503229.  

Something like this would really throw modern kids a curve... :-)

What's lurking inside BoE's vaults?

Hint for Pounds(£) Shillings[s) & Pence[d), there were 240 pennies to the pound, 12 pennies to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound for those curious enough to attempt the math.

Well unit conversion is still on the curriculum between Imperial and SI, as some backward countries still insist on using Imperial.

Because countries use Imperial measurements does not mean they are backward.

I've been using metric since 1961, long before most of the UK, and I still prefer Imperial measurements for a lot of things.

And in a lot of cases, especially in the building industry, the use of metric measurements just confuses the issue. Doors are still multiples of 3 inches, timber is still 2 by 4 etc, and sheets of ply and drywall are 8 ft * 4 ft, no matter what they are advertised as in metric, even on the continent.
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Message 1503915 - Posted: 14 Apr 2014, 9:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 1503094.  
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Something like this would really throw modern kids a curve... :-)

What's lurking inside BoE's vaults?

Hint for Pounds(£) Shillings[s) & Pence[d), there were 240 pennies to the pound, 12 pennies to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound for those curious enough to attempt the math.

One of those questions was "Trace the course of the following rivers, Loire, Mississippi, Rhine, Seine and Vistula."
Now i'm a great believer in knowledge for its own sake, but what use is the above to a bank teller?
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