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Message 1460425 - Posted: 3 Jan 2014, 23:37:09 UTC - in response to Message 1460394.  

Es, you may have missed the worst of porn and advertising spam because we jump on it pretty rapidly.
As to trolling, its a hard call, and is more the persistence of posting of abusive comments, multiple statements that are known to inflame others, repeated posting exactly the same material that has already been taken down and not being prepared to listen to another's side in a debate. You may have strong views on a number of subjects, but in general you, an most other posters, manage to put those views over without abusing others.

Well, just to comment on the things in bold, but this is the internet and this is a politics forum we are talking about. The topics being discussed here have a tendency to inflame others, even when its not intended. Just start talking about abortion, gay rights or creationism and you can be sure at least a few people are going to get pissed off. I think SETI is lucky in that sense because it attracts like minded people (at least to some degree) so the divergence between peoples views is not as extreme as on other forums, but still, politics and religion tend to rouse peoples passion.

Also, listening to other people can be pretty hard, especially if you completely disagree with that person and think they are completely wrong. And even if you listen, there is no guarantee that you take something out of it, resulting in people repeating arguments over and over again. Its kinda what comes with being on an internet forum.

And just wondering, but how do you guys get spam (I assume they are bots) if users need to have an RAC of 1 before they get posting permission. Or is it just in the Q&A section?
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Message 1460431 - Posted: 3 Jan 2014, 23:56:39 UTC - in response to Message 1460425.  

And just wondering, but how do you guys get spam (I assume they are bots) if users need to have an RAC of 1 before they get posting permission. Or is it just in the Q&A section?


Just the Q&A section. Before the RAC requirement some 9 years ago, the spam used to be rampant on all sections, hence the requirement was put in place, as most spammers are not going to bother signing up and attaching a computer just to do their dirty work. It was decided to leave Q&A to 0 RAC because that is the place to go if you can't get things working right and need assistance.
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Message 1460459 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 2:57:49 UTC - in response to Message 1460394.  

Es, you may have missed the worst of porn and advertising spam because we jump on it pretty rapidly.

So the current system works then.
As to trolling, its a hard call, and is more the persistence of posting of abusive comments, multiple statements that are known to inflame others, repeated posting exactly the same material that has already been taken down and not being prepared to listen to another's side in a debate. You may have strong views on a number of subjects, but in general you, an most other posters, manage to put those views over without abusing others.

I've been accused quite strongly in the past of being a troll by people who really couldn't understand how someone could hold the opinions I do. I would be wary of judging someone else.
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Message 1460461 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 3:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 1460392.  

Meow, you really have got your claws into me at the moment! Ok I'm big enough to take it.

Its only because I care.

It wasn't your wish before when you were on the receiving end. What's the difference now?

So which receiving end are we talking about here then? I have never complained about any Moderation made against me. If you don't believe me, ask every Mod there has been in the last 5 years. They can go back over the records and verify that. I think that on occasions serial offenders get off lightly which doesn't seem fair to others.

I'm quite touched by the leniency given to serial offenders. I think it shows a certain maturity in the moderation policy that recognises that there are some people here with special needs (alcohol addiction, mental problems, loneliness, republicans etc...)

and who judges what is a deliberate troll?

Oh c'mon, you telling me you can't see one when usually they are as blatant as day?

I see people.

Lots of people think the opinions I actually hold are trolling. They're not, but people who don't agree with me see it like that

There are many times I don't agree with you, but I have never accused you of trolling because I don't think you do.

Some people do, some people don't. Who is to judge?

To change the rules to exclude one particular poster that you don't like is wrong and will have unforeseen consequences.

I don't think that has ever been suggested here, and if it was that would be seen as victimisation.

Exactly. Perhaps I am not understanding who this is aimed at dealing with. Maybe there is some poster here who I am not aware of because they are always modded before I see their posts?

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In fact the one person who is repeatedly banned for being offensive has one of the highest RACs

Which is precisely why some people are suggesting that they get preferential treatment because of that.

Shouldn't people be judged on their behaviour, not their ability to have a computer farm?
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Message 1460478 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 7:52:19 UTC - in response to Message 1460461.  

Meow, you really have got your claws into me at the moment! Ok I'm big enough to take it.

Its only because I care.

It wasn't your wish before when you were on the receiving end. What's the difference now?

So which receiving end are we talking about here then? I have never complained about any Moderation made against me. If you don't believe me, ask every Mod there has been in the last 5 years. They can go back over the records and verify that. I think that on occasions serial offenders get off lightly which doesn't seem fair to others.

I'm quite touched by the leniency given to serial offenders. I think it shows a certain maturity in the moderation policy that recognises that there are some people here with special needs (alcohol addiction, mental problems, loneliness, republicans etc...)

and who judges what is a deliberate troll?

Oh c'mon, you telling me you can't see one when usually they are as blatant as day?

I see people.

Lots of people think the opinions I actually hold are trolling. They're not, but people who don't agree with me see it like that

There are many times I don't agree with you, but I have never accused you of trolling because I don't think you do.

Some people do, some people don't. Who is to judge?

To change the rules to exclude one particular poster that you don't like is wrong and will have unforeseen consequences.

I don't think that has ever been suggested here, and if it was that would be seen as victimisation.

Exactly. Perhaps I am not understanding who this is aimed at dealing with. Maybe there is some poster here who I am not aware of because they are always modded before I see their posts?

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In fact the one person who is repeatedly banned for being offensive has one of the highest RACs

Which is precisely why some people are suggesting that they get preferential treatment because of that.

Shouldn't people be judged on their behaviour, not their ability to have a computer farm?

Which is why I prefer the sysytem we have in place now. Those who misuse the privalage get a post hidden, A timeout or a ban. We all know the rules. Abuse them, Well you know what will happen. And that goes for a 1 RAC to a billion RAC member.
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Message 1460495 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 9:11:18 UTC

Quote this and Give Ten Plus Ones(+1} from 10 Different People(Ten Seperate Posts/Replies and I WILL LEAVE SETI at Home Forums, As Did VBbobier.

Put Up or Shut Up.

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Message 1460502 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 9:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 1460495.  

Quote this and Give Ten Plus Ones(+1} from 10 Different People(Ten Seperate Posts/Replies and I WILL LEAVE SETI at Home Forums, As Did VBbobier.

Put Up or Shut Up.

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If you leave seti@home I will give 1000k + pluses.
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Message 1460504 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 9:46:11 UTC

+ 1,000,000,000

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Message 1460536 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 12:11:45 UTC
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Since we are discussing moderation, I have a question. Do entire topics get hidden? And if they do, do the people who posted in that topic receive a moderation notice like when only single posts get hidden?

Just wondering.
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Message 1460541 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 12:27:59 UTC

But if you are staying, you will find that if you stop this childish gobbledegook, you might get a better response from the rest of us.


ROTFLMAO. I'm SO ACHING, DEEP INSIDE fO Better Responses.

The Point with VB is, EveryThang Disappeared 'bout 'em. Nothing Remains. Get it? Good.

The Responses to Me Proves EveryONe in Some Way, is A POS Nasty mO fO. You Know, HuWoMan Like. So Sweet to See.

Gooba Gaaba Tea Party fO evA

Oh yeah, and I Know Seperate is spelled Separate.

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Message 1460542 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 12:34:02 UTC - in response to Message 1460540.  

The rules around here are that we are not allowed to discuss specific moderation actions, but we can comment upon general moderation policy, and suggest alternatives and possible enhancements.

Do not posts comments related to specific moderator actions. The moderators may be contacted at seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu

My bad. Ive edited the post to make it not about a specific moderator action. Now I'm just wondering if entire threads sometimes get hidden and whether people who posted in such a thread would receive notice.
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Message 1460605 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 17:52:09 UTC - in response to Message 1460478.  

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Which is why I prefer the sysytem we have in place now. Those who misuse the privalage get a post hidden, A timeout or a ban. We all know the rules. Abuse them, Well you know what will happen. And that goes for a 1 RAC to a billion RAC member.

We at least are agreed then.

No need for a new minimum or maximum RAC or star donation to post here. The mods are hear to manage those that don't play well with others.
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Message 1460607 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 18:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 1460541.  

But if you are staying, you will find that if you stop this childish gobbledegook, you might get a better response from the rest of us.


ROTFLMAO. I'm SO ACHING, DEEP INSIDE fO Better Responses.

The Point with VB is, EveryThang Disappeared 'bout 'em. Nothing Remains. Get it? Good.

The Responses to Me Proves EveryONe in Some Way, is A POS Nasty mO fO. You Know, HuWoMan Like. So Sweet to See.

Gooba Gaaba Tea Party fO evA

Oh yeah, and I Know Seperate is spelled Separate.

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This forum isn't a popularity contest. If you're looking for affirmation, this isn't the place to get it.

Freedom of speech is a double edged sword. You can say whatever you want, and we can say whatever we want about what you say.

If none of the responses are what you are hoping for, maybe the problem isn't us.
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Message 1460652 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 21:18:20 UTC

Well stated Esmé:)
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Message 1460657 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 21:52:55 UTC - in response to Message 1460652.  

Well stated Esmé:)

+1

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Message 1460663 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 22:11:22 UTC

If none of the responses are what you are hoping for, maybe the problem isn't us.


The Responses and Your Responses, are EXACTLY The Way, I Plan them tO Be.

fO shO fO evA

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Message 1460669 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 22:31:42 UTC - in response to Message 1460663.  

If none of the responses are what you are hoping for, maybe the problem isn't us.


The Responses and Your Responses, are EXACTLY The Way, I Plan them tO Be.

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Message 1460698 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 23:32:54 UTC - in response to Message 1460669.  

Who are you? God?

Surely God can type in a way that is not a pain to read.
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Message 1460700 - Posted: 4 Jan 2014, 23:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 1460698.  

Who are you? God?

Surely God can type in a way that is not a pain to read.

1 would think so, though we'll never know for sure.

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