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Message 1514350 - Posted: 10 May 2014, 10:31:05 UTC - in response to Message 1514349.  


How is getting a few degrees warmer going to wipe out humans?

It's the droughts and floods that wipe out the food supply that is the main problem. The civilization will follow along after that. (I didn't say all humans.) And you needn't wipe out all the food supply either; I think the Arab Spring was largely about food shortages, which caused many governments to fall.

And it doesn't even need to be the food supply in your own country. Many countries rely on the U.S. for food exports; if that falls off, so do the countries. They will have revolutions or wars to try to get by. That in turn will affect the U.S. Tinkering around with the climate and pretending that it won't have an effect will be a disaster; just wait to find out how.
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Message 1514351 - Posted: 10 May 2014, 10:35:45 UTC - in response to Message 1514350.  


How is getting a few degrees warmer going to wipe out humans?

It's the droughts and floods that wipe out the food supply that is the main problem.


OMG really? Somebody better stop China before it is too late.
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Message 1514353 - Posted: 10 May 2014, 10:37:57 UTC - in response to Message 1514351.  

OMG really? Somebody better stop China before it is too late.

You had better get going. But they are developing nuclear, among other options, and lead in solar cell production.
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Message 1514413 - Posted: 10 May 2014, 15:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 1514351.  


How is getting a few degrees warmer going to wipe out humans?

It's the droughts and floods that wipe out the food supply that is the main problem.


OMG really? Somebody better stop China before it is too late.

It also allows insects like mosquito's to breed more and survive over more of the land and further up hills and mountains, putting 100's of millions more people at risk of malaria etc.
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Message 1517598 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 19:49:53 UTC

Nice little bit of blackmail...

Tory EU exit if no reform

... better get ready to leave then. :-)
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Message 1517606 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 20:22:07 UTC - in response to Message 1517598.  

Nice little bit of blackmail...

Tory EU exit if no reform

... better get ready to leave then. :-)

This shows a very real and basic difference between the US and the EU members. There is no way short of total destruction that "We the People" would stand for a foreign entity having a say in what we do in our own country.

Perhaps this is why your boarders are constantly changing; your countries are only temporary.
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Message 1517612 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 20:32:44 UTC - in response to Message 1517606.  

It's amazing what a "temporary" country can do...


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Message 1517629 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 21:31:47 UTC - in response to Message 1517612.  

It's amazing what a "temporary" country can do...


Interesting you should show that. Thank you for inspiring "The Star Spangled Banner"
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Message 1517650 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 22:36:18 UTC - in response to Message 1517606.  

This shows a very real and basic difference between the US and the EU members. There is no way short of total destruction that "We the People" would stand for a foreign entity having a say in what we do in our own country.

Perhaps this is why your boarders are constantly changing; your countries are only temporary.

You have a federal government interfering into individual state affairs (despite what some members here claim).

Besides, We the People have only benefited immensely from that foreign entity. That is something a number of those We the People tend to forget.

And all countries are temporary. In the end, they are nothing more than social constructs. They exist because we believe in them and the cease to exist the moment we stop believing in them.
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Message 1517679 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 23:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 1517650.  

They exist because we believe in them and the cease to exist the moment we stop believing in them.


Incorrect! The world stopped believing in Germany after 1945, yet here we are in 2014 with Germany a unified country again. So what price belief?
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Message 1517681 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 23:13:10 UTC - in response to Message 1517679.  

They exist because we believe in them and the cease to exist the moment we stop believing in them.


Incorrect! The world stopped believing in Germany after 1945, yet here we are in 2014 with Germany a unified country again. So what price belief?

A, the world did not stop believing in Germany and B, more importantly, the Germans didnt stop believing in Germany.
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Message 1517689 - Posted: 17 May 2014, 23:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 1517681.  

They exist because we believe in them and the cease to exist the moment we stop believing in them.


Incorrect! The world stopped believing in Germany after 1945, yet here we are in 2014 with Germany a unified country again. So what price belief?

A, the world did not stop believing in Germany and B, more importantly, the Germans didnt stop believing in Germany.


You really believe that? So 1914-18 & 1939-45 was a minute blip in that belief?

Germany destroyed Europe twice in less than 40 years and the rest of Europe will not allow it to achieve Merkel's dream of political union. Twice was more than enough, so again, what price belief?
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Message 1517702 - Posted: 18 May 2014, 0:07:08 UTC - in response to Message 1517679.  

They exist because we believe in them and the cease to exist the moment we stop believing in them.


Incorrect! The world stopped believing in Germany after 1945, yet here we are in 2014 with Germany a unified country again.

It doesn't have the same boarders though. I saw my Great Grandmother's birth certificate. It was in Polish as she was borne in Poland. That town is no longer in Poland. In my lifetime I have seen many countries come and go in Europe but none in the Americas.
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Message 1517809 - Posted: 18 May 2014, 12:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 1517689.  

You really believe that? So 1914-18 & 1939-45 was a minute blip in that belief?

Germany destroyed Europe twice in less than 40 years and the rest of Europe will not allow it to achieve Merkel's dream of political union. Twice was more than enough, so again, what price belief?

Really? You believe that where Germany is on the map there is not actually a country? You believe those pieces of land are either a bunch of smaller countries or provinces of neighboring countries? You do not recognize the German federal government as the legitimate government of the piece of land that the map refers to as Germany? And you believe that the vast majority of people in the world share the same lack of belief in the existence of Germany as a country?
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Message 1518186 - Posted: 19 May 2014, 13:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 1517629.  

Interesting you should show that. Thank you for inspiring "The Star Spangled Banner"

For which you nicked a tune written by a Brit.
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Message 1518335 - Posted: 19 May 2014, 18:53:46 UTC - in response to Message 1518186.  

Interesting you should show that. Thank you for inspiring "The Star Spangled Banner"

For which you nicked a tune written by a Brit.

There is some support to change our national anthem to a Broadway show tune. "God Bless America" isn't a very good lead in to a military fly over at sporting events though. Stand beside her and guide her doesn't get it like bombs bursting and rockets glaring.
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Message 1519169 - Posted: 21 May 2014, 14:16:15 UTC
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A message for the EU with their "sanctions" against Russia...

Russia signs 30 year deal with China

"More important may be the investment that China will make into Russia's power and transport infrastructure. Putin may not have managed to sign the most advantageous of gas deals on Wednesday but the opening of economic doors with China could well be the greater achievement.

China is Russia's largest single trading partner, with bilateral trade flows of $90bn (£53bn) in 2013.

The two neighbours aim to double the volume to $200bn in 10 years."

...be very afraid!
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Message 1519211 - Posted: 21 May 2014, 16:38:28 UTC - in response to Message 1519169.  

China is Russia's largest single trading partner, with bilateral trade flows of $90bn (£53bn) in 2013.

The two neighbours aim to double the volume to $200bn in 10 years."

...be very afraid!
Me? It's a new ball game for "The Great Satan" who is now sitting on vast oceans of natural gas. Not long ago there would have been a panic in the oil market, now nothing. I'm sure you can work this out among yourselves.

It seems so third world when a country's worth is tied to what can be pumped or dug from the ground.
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Message 1519717 - Posted: 22 May 2014, 11:23:00 UTC

Well, today's the day of the European elections.
Today it all comes to a head for Nigel Farage, and we'll finally see just how successful he's been.
I can't help but feel that, since the three major parties tried so hard to discredit him, he must be doing something right.
Whatever you think of him, he's an extraordinary politician. No matter what's thrown at him, he just comes back stronger every time.
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Message 1521186 - Posted: 26 May 2014, 7:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 1519717.  

Whatever you think of him, he's an extraordinary politician. No matter what's thrown at him, he just comes back stronger every time.

& even stronger...

"The election has delivered a big blow to the political establishment in Europe - the establishment that pursued austerity and bank bailouts, at great cost to millions of ordinary voters."
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