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Message 1672396 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 2:54:15 UTC
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Should perhaps tell you about this.

Looking more closely at the pictures which are taken from a camera mounted atop one of those cars driving around making pictures of the world, I have found out that this time the object visible in the picture is in fact a spot in the camera.

But the strange thing is that this object appears to be almost 3-D. Also it is having the same shape or resemblance as those which may be associated with some UFO pictures and observations being available.

So this time it gets away with a simple or good explanation. Not all these things are being thrown away however. People wearing military uniform are not supposed to be giving an explanation for what they are doing before a Senate Hearing or Intelligence Committee only because they are having some fun at launching balloons in the air.

In the end, if you happen to be a scientist, you may be asking yourself questions where there are no answers readily available. If your questions can not be readily answered, you better should be working even more on these things in order to be able to give a full and thorough explanation and in this way be able to explain things which at times may be happening.

Edit: Mark is giving his response right now.

Thanks, Mark!

So, have a look at the Milky Way and it hundreds of billions of stars. There could well be life on Saturn's moon Enceladus, as well as other places in the solar system, but not the same as what we may think be out there.

Right now we do not think there may be existing other intelligent civilizations within maybe 100-200 light years from the sun. But the Milky Way is some 100,000 light years across. Have a look at the Drake equation when it comes to the possibilities of life and its distribution across the galaxy we are a part of and you may be able to understand the meaning of it.
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Message 1672397 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 2:56:03 UTC - in response to Message 1672396.  

Buddy, as one who has been asking questions with no obvious answer for more years than yourself, I salute you.

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Message 1674952 - Posted: 7 May 2015, 23:52:47 UTC
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Thanks for your response, Mark.

If we ever were able to learn that we are not the only intelligent species in the universe, it would be a great thing for mankind and definitely change our conscience as well as conception of things.

Anyway, you are supposed to be dedicated at times.

Being dedicated means just that when it comes to certain things.

By means of being dedicated to a subject means that you also should have a given knowledge and insight about your particular or favorite subject.

If you happen to be knowledgeful, you are not supposed to be biased, at least not all the time. Rather you are supposed to believe in what you are doing.

So, if there ever happened to be someone here who do not think I am one of these things, why not take a couple of things into consideration.

Our current notion of aliens and UFO's comes from the fact that we have not always been able to understand and comprehend all aspects of nature. Some phenomena which until now has yet to be explained more or less are being debunked, or at least being approached by scientists in a skeptical or at least reluctant manner.

Tarot cards and horoscopes as well as astrology are typical examples here.
Also myths and imaginations as we are taught them to be.

There are scientists who think that we are not alone in the universe because of reports of UFO's or alien crafts which are at times thought of as being credible.

Close encounters of the first through third, or maybe even fourth kind, where people have had their hands or bodies burnt or maybe had foreign elements being removed from parts of their bodies, like the arm or leg, are other examples where stories are being told about possible close encounters between humans and extraterrestrial beings.

As we all should know, the Seti@home project is looking for the presence of an extraterrestrial radio signal which may signify or imply the presence of other intelligent civilizations in space. In order to make any given or specific conclusions about whether or not a given signal, should it ever be detected or present, it is assumed that such a signal would have to be narrowband in nature.

Which leads us back to August 1977, when Jerry R. Ehman, then at the Ohio State University, was able to detect such a narrowband radio signal, apparently coming from the direction of the constellation Sagittarius, not too far from the central hub of the part of the Milky Way, close to the centre.

Because of the technology being used at that time, the signal, otherwise known as the WOW signal, was only being detected in one of the two horns of the radio telescope being used at that time. Because of that, only the declination, or latitude of the signal was being precisely calculated. The longitude, or right ascencion (R.A.) became two separate locations in space, each separated a bit from the other.

There are no bright stars in the exact field of the observation, only countless faint stars. For now we are left to speculate where this signal originally came from and whether or not it had any meaning at all.

We only happen to know that it was a strong narrowband signal and because of its signal characteristics, which for now only is implied by means of the famous word or designation 6EQUJ5 in order to represent its alphanumerical meaning.

For now Seti@home is currently looking for the presence of other intelligent civilizations in space, apparently being more or less futile when it comes to any promising results. For now we will have to believe in astronomers like Frank Drake, who is making the general assumption that we will be able to detect the presence of other intelligent civilizations in space before 2025 or 2030.

Better to believe in the possible correctness of such a statement. The earth may have been visited by extraterrestrials in the past, but probably not in recent times. Who or what such extraterrestrial intelligence may show up to be, we assume such intelligence to be based on biological characteristics or principles and not on what might be regarding as technological only being of the same.

For now the current search is still going. We have not been able to reach any further and our current knowledge about the whole subject is based on either our conscience or maybe given assumptions about possible facts, whatever such facts may appear to be.
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Message 1675135 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 11:22:29 UTC

Because of the technology being used at that time, the signal, otherwise known as the WOW signal, was only being detected in one of the two horns of the radio telescope being used at that time. Because of that, only the declination, or latitude of the signal was being precisely calculated. The longitude, or right ascencion (R.A.) became two separate locations in space, each separated a bit from the other.


That's an interesting bit of information, mp.
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Message 1675684 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 1:39:20 UTC
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Thanks, Julie.

The previous was not meant as a lecture, but I could have skipped the long word there shortening the line.

Also the two different positions being obtained when it comes to R.A. was as a result of positional accuracy. The WOW signal probably was not from a moving source, but rather from one or possibly more sources which may have been stationary in the sky, meaning a fixed source.

But this only comes to show that I do get some information from other places as well and although not everything should be trusted or believed, or at least is being of good quality when it comes to contents, at least the Wikipedia have become a quite good reference.

Also I happened to stumble across a picture of one of the small creatures of nature here on earth which is a reminder of the great diversity being found and now is slowly vanishing because of human development.

Possibly the link is here at some place. I shall be looking for it, because there were separate images in that link.

The probability of the existence of life, is the product of all of the possibilities which makes life possible.
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Message 1676386 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 2:48:46 UTC
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I should have mentioned YouTube when doing so with the Wikipedia.

Both are excellent references for information depending what you are looking for.

Watching this video right now. Quite good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzwTlf73xsk

Edit: Check out the following links as well. The first one should be well known.

The other two links are accessible from this page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_(signal_processing)
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Message 1676446 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 2:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 1674952.  

Thanks for your response, Mark.


Well, I go every which way from center.
My bubble, it seems, is NEVER in the middle......LOL.

I have said at times that I personally believe that I am something other than of this world.

At times, I blend into the crowd and just tag along.

And at other times, I have to break rank and express some of my true feelings.

It is complex and difficult, and perplexing when I try to understand my own existence. I spend hours thinking about it in bed with the kitties, and find few answers. Then I spend a few more hours drinking this mysterious tea colored liquid that everybody else seems to consume with no consequence.

It takes me close to where I came from.

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Message 1676587 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 3:16:28 UTC
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bluestar.....
I started getting more interested in my source of origin a number of years ago when I started to question my aging and the fact that I shall not be here always.

And I found the movie kpax most interesting in that regard.
In particular, The scene where they realize that not all that they held true may not be.........

I find it the most plausible explanation of who and what and where I am.

There are two facets to that.

1. Either I am a simple human being like the rest of you, and my mind is going somewhere else. OR, door number 2.

2. I have achieved a level of understanding that my keepers did not quite want me to get to.

And in either case, the kpax theory works.

What do I truly believe?
These are all very hard theories to mesh.

1. I believe that I was created by God in His image.

2. Given that, and my belief that God also created other universes, I believe I was sent here from one of them.

3. I do not yet know my mission, I am here on hold awaiting further instructions.

4. This human persona is getting old and ragged, and I should wish my creator send new instructions, supplies, and transportation soon.


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Message 1676827 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 4:13:27 UTC - in response to Message 1676587.  
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Mark.

Should tell both you as well as others that I watched the mentioned clip and unfortunately do not get its meaning or contents right now.

I will have to come back to it in the evening instead and try understanding what this is about.

If you go back to the mentioned "Evidence we are not alone" clip, I can hold down and draw the progress meter left and right in order to quickly find what I am looking for when the contents is becoming a little long.

Starting from 34:48 (you may wish to go back a little more), there is a statement made by Major Donald E. Keyhoe, who at that time was Director of National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (1957-1959).

According to his words: "We are being observed by a some type of device which is ahead of us, far ahead of us and probably controlled by a highly advanced civilization".

Approximate wording only here. The sentence became a little wrong and rewinding in the middle of the clip became slightly difficult.

This should be regarded as an important statement. The clip is definitely more than 50 years ago and having a person in such a position admitting to such a fact should be regarded as being significant. If something more than just a natural phenomenon should be evident, the question about technology and its use should be asked once again.

What we may be regarding as being specific or unexplained phenomena, may in fact be the result of superior technologies beyoud our current capabilities and may have been developed by intelligent species which are ahead of us when it comes to the use of such technologies.
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Message 1676862 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 4:29:16 UTC

The point was, bluestar, is that I am perhaps not of this world entirely, and I have accepted that fact for some years now.

The clip was about his not being able to at one point explain where he came from, and to their surprise, they finally had some proof.

Of course, this was all in his mind, as the story progresses.

The story is all in my mind, or as some would like to believe.

Me, not so sure that it IS all in my mind.
Thank you for responding.

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Message 1676912 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 5:13:11 UTC
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Became too late to edit, but at least the links should be clickable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRb77_azfmg

Is not science supposed to be exciting at times?

We do not recognize dinosaurs as being aliens? Have anyone ever been asking that question, or do we assume them to be part of the evolution of the earth?

I think we should not discuss that subject any further.

Do you always think or surmise that everything is having an easy explanation and when being explained is not of any interest anymore.

If I ever should be sucked into a black hole and being able to survive, I would only be able to know that I could fit inside the head of the pin on a needle and that any conception of change of time would not be present.

Time is present only because things are changing over time and I happen to know that I am becoming older for each day passing by.
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Message 1676915 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 5:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 1676912.  
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Became too late to edit, but at least the links should be clickable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRb77_azfmg

I don't know when we shall interface, but I suppose it should be by PM, because the others would not understand.
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Message 1677040 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 12:58:33 UTC
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Mark and others here as well.

I started up too early today because I probably missed out most of yesterday.

I probably stay away from the keyboard when tiredness is sinking in and I eventually find the way to bed.

But I was once again reminded about the work that has been carried out by Erich von Däniken. The problem is that he is not always being accepted as being a scientist, a least not by everyone.

Otherwise, he is is reminding me about someone else as well. To me the problem is not necessarily about language skills, but rather separate or specific interests based on possible different approaches when it comes to more or less the same subjects.

So if Mark is offering a link to something I may not pay that particular attention to, please have me excused.

Everyone should be respecting his high credit here when it comes to results and finished tasks, but stories about UFO's and other unexplained phenomena mostly related to earth, including ghosts and apparitions, do not necessarily give any proof of the presence of extraterrestial intelligence or the existence of other intelligent civilizations in the universe.

Definitely what I remember from the Moon landings is not what I today associate with sometimes more or less speculative contents being available on YouTube, but I happen to recall a couple of strange things being associated with this period of time, even though back in 1969, I was only a small child and not able to make any particular distinctions about certain things.

A given approach to a subject is supposed to be returning a given or specific result back in return.

Are we being visited by extaterrestrials and are any reports of such incidents true?

So, because humans are having a resemblance with monkeys, especially chimpanzees, does evolution prove that we are being descendants or descending from apes? Both elephants and giraffes are having heads and bodies but not necessarily always faces, at least chimpanzees are having faces.

Animals and plants are living side by side with humans. They are part of an ecosystem which constitutes the earth. Our world is not only a planet, but it also is having both an atmosphere giving us the weather as well as air for us to breathe. Also, 70 % of the surface of the earth are oceans. Deserts like Sahara, and ice covered places like Antarctica are making up a large part of the main land area of the world, making these places unsuitable for general living and human development.

There was a movie being produced a couple of years ago with the name of "Independence Day". Despite a couple of stereotypes and flaws, this movie is about an important subject which may not be totally fictious when it comes to contents and events which could well be happening.

If other intelligent civilizations do exist in the universe, they would most likely be far ahead of us. The existence of a civilization is based on both technological, cultural, medical as well as other advances, to us because of our two-part brain which is the result of natural evolution.

Culture and medicine may not be as relevant to extraterrestrials, but we may assume that advanced technology and highly evolved intelligence is relevant when it comes to the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial civilizations.

Therefore, if you should be considering one or more specific fact, it would be even wiser to consider all aspects which may be related to the similar thing. In many instances one event is followed by yet another similar one and in the end all of it becomes history for the record books.

There may at times become a compromise between what may be regarded as being valid and what may be regarded as being speculative when it comes to given contents. You are never supposed to be doing any good science by coming up with boring or nonsense stuff (in a general context), but if you happen to be doing so, you may end up chosing one set of given contents for another set of contents when it comes to any preferences or favorites which you may have.

This is because of the interest as well as insight and knowledge you may be having when it comes to a given subject. Being able to have such a knowledge is supposed to make you able to separate the correct and valid from the incorrect and any lies and falsifications which might also be around or present when it comes to information.

Therefore the quality of any results you may be able to come up with depends of the quality of the observations you are able to make and the relevance of these results as they relate to what you are supposed to be dealing with.
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Message 1680311 - Posted: 16 May 2015, 1:55:01 UTC

Got an unexpected blue screen here when composing a new text.

This will have to wait for another day.
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Message 1680389 - Posted: 16 May 2015, 8:27:20 UTC - in response to Message 1680311.  

Got an unexpected blue screen here when composing a new text.

This will have to wait for another day.

I had a bunch of them last night....holding steady for now.
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Message 1680705 - Posted: 17 May 2015, 7:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 1680311.  
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Got an unexpected blue screen here when composing a new text.

This will have to wait for another day.


LOL! The blue screen of death is a real pain.
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Message 1680713 - Posted: 17 May 2015, 8:34:40 UTC

Imagine, BS and MS having similar issues. And BS/MP trying X 2 to establish time stamps....well unfathomable

Perhaps mp/bs should try ADT for a time stamp.....(Appleton Daylight Time)


And, someone did promise if asked.....and I did ask.


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Message 1680719 - Posted: 17 May 2015, 9:22:25 UTC

http://www.stereogum.com/1791072/the-staves-make-it-holy-feat-justin-vernon-video-stereogum-premiere/video/

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Message 1680723 - Posted: 17 May 2015, 9:43:08 UTC

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Message 1680728 - Posted: 17 May 2015, 10:14:45 UTC - in response to Message 1680723.  
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Hi, DMMD!

Thank you for the links.

Unfortunately the two first ones are not my particular taste, but the third one featuring Vangelis gets in my Notepad playlist (for simplicity).

Was thinking of adding a YouTube link for common interest, but apparently I have lost track of the link and it is not in my log either.

Getting back to it as soon as I am able to find it again.

Thanks for reading.
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