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Message 1450305 - Posted: 5 Dec 2013, 18:11:18 UTC

Back when Bush was President it was reported daily in the news how many American combat troops had been killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan and how we should not be there. According to statistics easily accessed online at casualties.org the USA lost 630 soldiers in the middle east during the eight years of Bush's presidency. According to the same database there have been 1662 fatalities in the same region during Obama's six years in office. That has been almost three times as many as were lost during Bush's eight years. Yet there is no daily body count in the news reports nor is there a concerted effort by the press to sway the opinions of the American public. So it seems to me the press has an obvious political bias.
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Message 1450311 - Posted: 5 Dec 2013, 18:25:37 UTC - in response to Message 1450305.
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Pretty sure the US troop death count was over 3000 by the end of the Bush presidency.

http://icasualties.org/

http://antiwar.com/casualties/

Congratulations, instead of revealing a media bias in favor of Obama, you have revealed your own bias against Obama. Also, casualties.org is not an existing website. All I get is an offer to purchase the domain name.

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Message 1450316 - Posted: 5 Dec 2013, 18:44:22 UTC

Oopps, check your figures, both websites you provided show figures for AFGHANISTAN in similar to those given by Bob.
I suspect you've included the figures for Iraq...
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Message 1450405 - Posted: 5 Dec 2013, 21:42:17 UTC

during Obama's six years in office


Da Prez will Have Been In Office for Six Years by January 2015

But Yeah, Bias.

Media and People SCREAMING for The Shrubs Head when Gas went over $2.50/gal.

Been Near $4/gal. fO mOst of Hustler's Time and Barely a Peep.

Yep, The Media and Da People are Giving PeacePrizer a Free Ride.

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Message 1450501 - Posted: 6 Dec 2013, 6:07:42 UTC

I vaguely remember a report from years ago that the DoD was no longer releasing casualty figures to the media and was denying cameramen access to film coffins being unloaded from the transport planes. IIRC this was during the Bush years and it was a reaction to the anti-war feeling such statistics and images were generating

If you think the US media has a "Left Wing" bias can you please explain why it not carrying out a real campaign against Wall St. and all the shonky goings on there, why there is no demands for criminal charges against the crooks running the US financial system, why there are no calls to start prosecutions against corrupt politicians, etc. etc. and why Miley Cyrus "twerking" is front page news ?

Even FOX is not reporting casualty figures any more!

I suggest you will find this has nothing to do with "bias". I think you will find that "deals have been done" and brown paper bags exchanged. Any bias present today is financial, NOT political.

Besides, everyone knows that the only honest political comment on US politics comes from John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

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Message 1450563 - Posted: 6 Dec 2013, 9:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 1450316.

Oopps, check your figures, both websites you provided show figures for AFGHANISTAN in similar to those given by Bob.
I suspect you've included the figures for Iraq...

Of course I included Iraq, for the obvious reason that Bob stated that according to his website (which does not exist) "the USA lost 630 soldiers in the middle east during the eight years of Bush's presidency."

I'm sorry but if you use 'middle east' in this way you automatically include Iraq. In fact, if you know your geography, you would know that in this context, Afghanistan would actually be excluded, as it is located in Central Asia. If indeed, he just meant casualty figures for Afghanistan only, he should have specifically stated that.

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Message 1450579 - Posted: 6 Dec 2013, 10:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 1450563.

Oopps, check your figures, both websites you provided show figures for AFGHANISTAN in similar to those given by Bob.
I suspect you've included the figures for Iraq...

Of course I included Iraq, for the obvious reason that Bob stated that according to his website (which does not exist) "the USA lost 630 soldiers in the middle east during the eight years of Bush's presidency."

I'm sorry but if you use 'middle east' in this way you automatically include Iraq. In fact, if you know your geography, you would know that in this context, Afghanistan would actually be excluded, as it is located in Central Asia. If indeed, he just meant casualty figures for Afghanistan only, he should have specifically stated that.


In fact, he mentioned both Iraq and Afghanistan in the first sentence of the OP.
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Message 1451015 - Posted: 7 Dec 2013, 7:43:44 UTC

The website I quoted was icasualties.org and my bad as I only listed those losses in Afghanistan. Total US losses 2001-2008 in both countries was 4852 while from 2009-2013 was 1926.

I had no intention of misleading anyone bit I still feel that most of the US press has a noticeable bias regarding how war coverage is presented depending on which party is in power.
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Message 1451115 - Posted: 7 Dec 2013, 16:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 1451015.

Think Vietnam's coverage taught them that.
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Message 1451125 - Posted: 7 Dec 2013, 16:44:05 UTC - in response to Message 1451015.

The website I quoted was icasualties.org and my bad as I only listed those losses in Afghanistan. Total US losses 2001-2008 in both countries was 4852 while from 2009-2013 was 1926.

I had no intention of misleading anyone bit I still feel that most of the US press has a noticeable bias regarding how war coverage is presented depending on which party is in power.

Well I find it odd that the US media is so up in arms about Obamacare and Benghazi but seem to have all but ignored the NSA spying on everyone in the whole world and his murdering innocent people with drones.
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Message 1451614 - Posted: 8 Dec 2013, 23:03:33 UTC

Anyone following current events knows that the mainstream media does not lean left.
The owners of big media outlets are corporations with agendas. The people hired to run those outlets are chosen for their ability to promote the corporate agendas.

I'm a leftist, way out left of most, and I cancelled delivery of my local newspaper because of my perception of right wing bias.

I suppose extreme views from either political wing will see bias when information is coming from the center. (or just right of it)

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Message 1451669 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 2:43:08 UTC - in response to Message 1451614.

Anyone following current events knows that the mainstream media does not lean left.
The owners of big media outlets are corporations with agendas. The people hired to run those outlets are chosen for their ability to promote the corporate agendas.

I'm a leftist, way out left of most, and I cancelled delivery of my local newspaper because of my perception of right wing bias.

I suppose extreme views from either political wing will see bias when information is coming from the center. (or just right of it)

The American media is more right wing than most of the rest of the world. Piers Morgan, a right wing tosspot from the UK now hosts an American news show where compared to everyone else he is the left wing voice of reason. That alone should tell you how extreme right Amerca is.
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Message 1451705 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 7:54:23 UTC - in response to Message 1451669.

Anyone following current events knows that the mainstream media does not lean left.
The owners of big media outlets are corporations with agendas. The people hired to run those outlets are chosen for their ability to promote the corporate agendas.

I'm a leftist, way out left of most, and I cancelled delivery of my local newspaper because of my perception of right wing bias.

I suppose extreme views from either political wing will see bias when information is coming from the center. (or just right of it)

The American media is more right wing than most of the rest of the world. Piers Morgan, a right wing tosspot from the UK now hosts an American news show where compared to everyone else he is the left wing voice of reason. That alone should tell you how extreme right Amerca is.

Im my opinion both sides are extreme. And it makes me sick. Its not for the common good anymore. Its how can I lie out of my teeth and get more pac money to get re-elected.
And its our own damn fault. Most folks dont even get off their butts to vote.
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Message 1451735 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 9:28:56 UTC

Piers Morgan, a right wing tosspot from the UK now hosts an American news show where compared to everyone else he is the left wing voice of reason. That alone should tell you how extreme right Amerca is.

And yet Piers was editor of the Mirror, a left wing paper. It also reminds me why I read the Telegraph for 30 years!

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Message 1451820 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 13:10:36 UTC - in response to Message 1451735.
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Piers Morgan, a right wing tosspot from the UK now hosts an American news show where compared to everyone else he is the left wing voice of reason. That alone should tell you how extreme right Amerca is.

And yet Piers was editor of the Mirror, a left wing paper. It also reminds me why I read the Telegraph for 30 years!

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Reminds me why i don't read any of them.

I occaisionally watch Fox News, it amuses me, makes me thankful i don't live in the US.
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Message 1451831 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 13:53:42 UTC

If I lived in the USA I would like the climate, and the people. But I would detest their political system and the way that their government works, and I would hate their gun laws, and their penchant for shooting anything that moves on 4 legs every Autumn. I don't read enough of their press to form an opinion on it, and I certainly don't take much notice of what I read here. Anyone who posts in on-line bulletin boards is usually strongly leaning one way or another.

But people need to get as many opinions from different sources as possible to effectively make their own minds up on issues. I try to read at least one left wing and right wing paper a week, see the BBC News, plus talk to people active in the field of my interests. Plus have a laugh at the Seti ramblings.

That newspaper list is 3 years old, but it probably still holds true, and if you look, all the Establishment papers are right wing, and all the tabloids are left wing. Well there is no surprise there then is there? The People that Govern, run and own the country are right wing, and the working class are left wing. Except the pseudo intellectuals of the Grauniad and Observer who mutter over their muesli about the price of a decent Chardonnay.


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Message 1451838 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 14:08:35 UTC - in response to Message 1451831.

If I would live in the US, my media of choice would be Al Jazeera, which is about the closest one could get to a relatively fair and balanced coverage of world events. That and of course the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, the only two shows that effectively call the rest of the mainstream media on their bull****. But thankfully I can watch both of those shows from here already :)

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Message 1451896 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 16:58:13 UTC - in response to Message 1451735.

Piers Morgan, a right wing tosspot from the UK now hosts an American news show where compared to everyone else he is the left wing voice of reason. That alone should tell you how extreme right Amerca is.

And yet Piers was editor of the Mirror, a left wing paper. It also reminds me why I read the Telegraph for 30 years!

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I'll be generous and say he was more middle of road, but his views and attitude were always very conservative. The mirror was run by Murdoch for the longest time and we all know what his agenda was.
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Message 1451897 - Posted: 9 Dec 2013, 16:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 1451896.

Sorry the Mirror was owned by Maxwell not Murdoch.
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