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Message 1548239 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 1:03:08 UTC - in response to Message 1547893.  

Angela will like this...


I do!

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Message 1548336 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 7:40:56 UTC

Angela would really love that :-))

@Es - It is general advice from the police and the RSPCA not to approach owners of "annoying" animals face to face. It can turn into an altercation, and ultimately an assault in extreme cases. You would be surprised at the depth of effect a visit from a uniformed RSPCA inspector can have. And they take every call to them seriously.

The RSPCA don't have the right to enter your property without your permission, but they can arrive with police officers when they are faced with 'difficult' pet owners and ultimately, if they have reasonable belief that your pet is being neglected, they can apply for a Court warrant, with police support, to enter. That is the UK, I don't know about Canada.

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Message 1548353 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 8:29:25 UTC


Pluto is still a planet

Beep! Beep!

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Message 1548362 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 9:22:14 UTC - in response to Message 1547941.  

I do not like 'toy dogs' at all. Nor pit bulls, the breed should be extinguished. Some say they are a problem written by their owners.
BS. They were bred and born to be angry attack dogs.
There have been more documented children killed by pit bulls than any other breed of dog ever. And the few who are not killers 'the few' do not let all the others off the hook. Kill the breed.


You are so, so wrong.

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls

To kill an animal because of its breed is ignorant. It's no different than saying
we should lock up all black people because of the crimes many of them are
known to have committed.

Educate yourself.

While you have every right to speak your mind, I have every right to tell you
that you are ignorant about pit bulls.

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Message 1548364 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 9:30:22 UTC

I partly agree Suzie.
On the other hand i dont see one reason why private people should have pit bulls at all.
The risk for other people is to high in my honest opinion.


With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

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Message 1548413 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 1548364.  

I partly agree Suzie.
On the other hand i don't see one reason why private people should have pit bulls at all.
The risk for other people is to high in my honest opinion.


The reason for private people to have pit bulls is because there are
so many in shelters waiting to be either adopted or euthanized.
Shelters require adopted animals to be neutered or spayed, so there
is no chance these pits would add to the population.

I do wish people would stop breeding them, as well as other breeds,
so that more people would adopt from shelters.

I strongly support laws and ordinances that require anyone who
wishes to breed dogs to pay for a license - one that costs more than
spaying/neutering - and anyone who breeds without a license should
get slapped with a hefty fine.

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Message 1548414 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:29:44 UTC

Mike and Suzie are both right.

1. You can't blame the dogs because it is not their fault that they are bred in the way that they are. Of course they will react to type when stressed or confronted, what on earth would you expect them to do, roll over and say pat my tummy?

2. The problem is twofold. While there is a market for Toy dogs and aggressive dogs like Pitbulls, unscrupulous breeders will continue to produce them.

    2a Toy dogs.

    They are cute when tiny little puppies, and are traditionally attractive to wannabe airhead blondes in the entertainment industry. When a little older they turn into irritating ankle snappers if not trained right.

    2b Pitbulls

    Almost without exception, in the UK at least, that breed is owned by two groups. Petty criminals and drug dealers for personal protection, because of their activities. And by socially and educationally challenged people because they think that it gives them Street Cred.

3. Simple answer to all of it.

    3a For cute designer dogs, the only answer is to make it socially unacceptable to own them, and ostracise those that do.

    3b For Pitbulls, shut the breeders down and put them out of business, and make it illegal to breed and own them. Of course there will be a black market for them, that will of course have to be policed.

Unfortunately I don't think the British Government or the courts have got the guts to do anything about it, and I doubt much will change after 2015, whoever gets in.

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Message 1548416 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:35:58 UTC
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There are bad cat breeders as well.
Some who put money ahead of what they are breeding.
The Maine Coon, sadly is in such a state.

There are a few breeders that no longer take into account bloodlines and such.

They only want to make more kitties for more money.
And you can see who they are at the cat shows.
There are a few left that understand and prize what they are doing.
Not too many any more. Cats are a precious thing...folks.
I know and love the few of you that understand that.
This is not a casual affair, me and cats.
Although mine are barnyard kitties, with unknown bloodlines, I still cherish them. They have a heritage too.
Lori and myself have the luck of knowing a breeder that does love the cats for what they are, and takes care in the matter of knowing what she does for specific reasons.
Hence, her two beautiful guys are a couple of the most wonderful cats on the planet. It was planned that way.


Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548417 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:38:56 UTC

3b For Pitbulls, shut the breeders down and put them out of business, and make it illegal to breed and own them.

It is already illegal to breed pit-bulls in the UK and has been since 1991


Pitbull ownership is leagl but subject to certain restrictions brought in under The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

They must be neutered.
They must be insured.
They must be muzzled and kept on a lead in public.
They must be microchipped.
They must be registered.

The Dangerous Dogs Act was introduced in the early 1990s so logically, as breeding Pit Bulls is not possible due to the requirement to neuter, the breed should die out in the UK in a generation.

"Sometimes it is the people no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine."

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Message 1548421 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:45:32 UTC - in response to Message 1548417.  

3b For Pitbulls, shut the breeders down and put them out of business, and make it illegal to breed and own them.

It is already illegal to breed pit-bulls in the UK and has been since 1991


Pitbull ownership is leagl but subject to certain restrictions brought in under The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

They must be neutered.
They must be insured.
They must be muzzled and kept on a lead in public.
They must be microchipped.
They must be registered.

The Dangerous Dogs Act was introduced in the early 1990s so logically, as breeding Pit Bulls is not possible due to the requirement to neuter, the breed should die out in the UK in a generation.

I did not know that.
Thank you for the info.
And kudos to some who are more intelligent than otherwise afforded before.
Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548422 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:53:04 UTC

And should it come up...........
No, I would NOT be offended if such restrictions were put upon kitty breeders.
I might welcome it.
It would clean up the bloodlines and make what a Maine Coon cat is, remain their majestic nature.
These are cats the have been domesticated from the Norwegian Forest cat.
Long ago.

For your edification............
Wiki page on the cat of which I speak.


Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548426 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:58:47 UTC

It still goes on, the law as it stands is ineffective.

conviction

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Message 1548428 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:04:21 UTC - in response to Message 1548426.  

It still goes on, the law as it stands is ineffective.

conviction

I am sorry to hear that, Chris.
I do understand that some defend those dogs.
I love cats.
And as such, I can and do defend their nature as well.
But, I am sure that you understand that I would not support releasing tigers into the suburbs....
Although the thought might just be a bit enticing...LOL.
Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548431 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 1548426.  

It still goes on, the law as it stands is ineffective.

conviction

Yes you are correct I totally with draw any comment I made to suggest there is a law that prevents pit bulls being bred in the UK

Stupid of me to think that
"Sometimes it is the people no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine."

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Message 1548433 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:11:36 UTC

You might be sad to learn that Cock fighting still goes on as well.

Cockfighting

If I had my way they would all be dealt with by summary justice. I'm already a proud member of the Hunt Saboteurs association.

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Message 1548437 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1548433.  

You might be sad to learn that Cock fighting still goes on as well.

Cockfighting

If I had my way they would all be dealt with by summary justice. I'm already a proud member of the Hunt Saboteurs association.

HMM. Cock fighting and Hunger Games?


BOINC WIKI

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Message 1548438 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:24:58 UTC

And we are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers - I do despair at times, but I do what I can to help.

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Message 1548439 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:27:26 UTC - in response to Message 1548438.  

And we are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers - I do despair at times, but I do what I can to help.

I do too, Chris.
I do what I am able to.
My problem is not being able to define what I can and cannot do.
This is a problem for me.
Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548440 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:30:25 UTC

I sometimes think I choose my battles very poorly.


Cats.....what more does one need?

Have made friends in this life.
Most were cats.

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Message 1548480 - Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 15:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 1548440.  
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I sometimes think I choose my battles very poorly.

Being imperfect human beings, we all sometimes make poor choices.
Sometimes we choose poorly, but sometimes the battle chooses us, and our only choice is to fight or surrender.
Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

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