This waste of Oxygen simply needs to go away

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My personal vision of the future is waking up to a news report that (insert liberal democrat name here) has been found dead, face down in the gutter in some seedy neighbourhood of (insert any town falling apart because of liberalism here), clenching a joint and/or an empty vodka bottle in his cold hands. To my personal shame, I can't quite decide if this would be a good thing or a bad thing.

Can I call you a racist?

Can't quite make out your point here. The guy in question is a flaming hard core right winger. Just this side of a fascist. Does your use of the words "liberal" in this post make you an ideologist more interested in party names than in facts?

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You obviously missed the Canadian press brew-ha-ha when Trudeau the Second, leader of our Federal Liberal Party (actually more the middle-of-the-road party these days) announced he recently took a toke at a dinner party. Calls for his resignation, reminders to think of the children, irate phone calls to the talk shows, etc. etc. etc. from the right wing press.

The reason Rob Ford actions are getting more press than Justin Treadeau's toke right now is that Rob Ford is a bigger jerk. Not because he is right wing or white or rich or whatever. Interestingly, the totally right wing (some would say foaming at the mouth fascist) Sun newspaper and TV chain are now calling for Rob Ford's resignation, just a few weeks after he was their Poster Boy for how right wing politics will save the world.

Try to see past the labels, and look at the man's actions.

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My personal vision of the future is waking up to a news report that (insert liberal democrat name here) has been found dead, face down in the gutter in some seedy neighbourhood of (insert any town falling apart because of liberalism here), clenching a joint and/or an empty vodka bottle in his cold hands. To my personal shame, I can't quite decide if this would be a good thing or a bad thing.

Can I call you a racist?

Can't quite make out your point here. The guy in question is a flaming hard core right winger. Just this side of a fascist. Does your use of the words "liberal" in this post make you an ideologist more interested in party names than in facts?

The point I'm making is about the double standard which exists.

Conservative (right-wing extremist): It's ok for liberals (left-wing extremists) to focus on the personal frailties of conservatives (right-wing extremists) and call them names, say they should die, and how it's proof of the hypocrisy of the conservatives (right-wing extremists).

Liberal (left-wing extremist): It's NOT ok for a conservatives (right-wing extremist) to focus on the personal frailties of liberals (left-wing extremists) and call them names, say they should die, and how it's proof of the hypocrisy of the liberals (left-wing extremist).

Ideology of one side should not be an excuse for the lack of ethics of means and ends to destroy the other side. (Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals).

That's not fair. It's not fair that one side is allowed to get away with not having ethics or morals and win, while the other side is losing because they are sticking to the ethics and morals they believe in.

It's not fair ? Maybe, but there is nothing in your answer to justify playing the "R" card. Ethics and morality are not racial characteristics.

T.A.

I well remember Pierre Trudeau and that wife of his from years back :-))) Not one of Canadas highlights ....

Yes, and the press - right and left - sold a lot of papers off of their indignation with their actions.

BTW, that was Trudeau the First. The current press hubbub, buried under the Rob Fords train wreck, is Trudeau the Second.

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Rob Ford is a drug addict and an alcoholic. He behaves exactly like a drug addict and an alcoholic, which is exactly why he won't resign because he is in extreme denial. The whole world has staged an intervention for this guy and he still isn't getting the message.

Someone that out of touch with reality certainly should not be in a position of power.

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Reality Internet Personality

Very true--ethics and morals have nothing to do with race; however, some people are quick to claim that anybody who disagrees with our current president must be a racist. I don't understand what justifies that either.

I think it has something to do with the extreme vitriol aimed at him for what are essentially fairly right wing policies of the sort the great god Reagan would have supported.

Its racist when you call someone a muslim just because they have a funny name and they're black.
Its racist when you call someone the antichrist for no obvious reason. The only main difference between him and any other president before him is the colour of his skin.
Its racist when you claim he can't be president because he's "clearly" not American.
Its racist when congress won't work with him at all. At all. They were pretty bad to Clinton, but they never would have disrespected a President the way Obama has been disrespected.

So I am sure there are lots of people who disagree with the President based on his policies (me for one), but when you stand back and take a look at the whole picture and see how shockingly this President has been treated its kind of obvious. America's shame is right there for the whole world to see.

Just like Rob Ford can't see how he is seen, America is oblivious to how everyone can see plain as day all the racists who can't cope with the fact there is a black man in the White House.

It really is about as subtle as Rob Ford.

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Reality Internet Personality

America is oblivious to how everyone can see plain as day all the racists who can't cope with the fact there is a black man in the White House.

Well, thank god someone has had the guts to say what everyone else was thinking. And I would go a little further and say that 7/10 Americans can't cope with a black man in the White House, whether racist or not.

+10

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Regardless of what Mayor Ford did or did not do, his fate
should in the end be decided by an election. The brouhaha
going on in the press is just that a brouhaha. Weather
elected officials started an unnecessary war for profit or
took illegal drugs, it is an electorate that put them in
office and it should be the same ones who should decide to
take them out again. Elections should have consequences and
only voters have the right to decide if they want to
accept or reject these consequences.
Still a bit strange that it is the city of "Toronto the Good"
who is having this little bit of notoriety. I guess they are acting
more like Americans every year......

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I agree, you people have
lots of jails and lots of
people to put in them.
Some of these people have
even committed crimes like DWB,
being born to mix race
parents, coming from low
income families, and last
but not least, people who
served in the armed forces.
Yep you have lots of jails.....

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Toronto (CNN) -- Toronto Mayor Rob Ford would have admitted to smoking crack cocaine long before his eventual admission, he says. It's just that no one asked him the right question.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/world/canada-rob-ford-interview/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews


He will be on CNN, tonight.

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It is very easy for us not in the city of Toronto, or in the country of Canada, to pontificate about this matter from afar. Yes of course the rest of the world has it's opinions, but it eventually has to be down to the people on the ground over there, to do what is right, and needs to be done. And I'm sure that they will.

The scary part Chris is that Rob Ford continues to do fairly well in popularity polls. There is a segment of the population that believes he is really fighting government excess spending (while sending city employees in city vehicles to buy the booze that he then chugs in his office with his drug dealer and hooker friends). Given that Canadian cities elect mayors directly (unlike councillors who are elected by ward), plus the fact that mayor races here usually have 3 or 4 serious candidates, plus 3 or 4 kooks, people like Rob Ford can get elected with perhaps 30% of the popular vote.

The REALLY scary part is that Ford stated in a recent interview that he hopes to be PM some day.

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mayOr rOb fOrd Acts Like An AmeriKan.

A Drunk, Drugged Out, Out-Of-COntrOl, Self-Serving, knOws nO bOunds AmeriKan.

Plenty 'O prisOn cells in AmeriKa fO dat Kind Of BehaviO[U]r.

Dat OK, fO yOu mherr?

gOOd.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

It is very easy for us not in the city of Toronto, or in the country of Canada, to pontificate about this matter from afar. Yes of course the rest of the world has it's opinions, but it eventually has to be down to the people on the ground over there, to do what is right, and needs to be done. And I'm sure that they will.

The scary part Chris is that Rob Ford continues to do fairly well in popularity polls. There is a segment of the population that believes he is really fighting government excess spending (while sending city employees in city vehicles to buy the booze that he then chugs in his office with his drug dealer and hooker friends). Given that Canadian cities elect mayors directly (unlike councillors who are elected by ward), plus the fact that mayor races here usually have 3 or 4 serious candidates, plus 3 or 4 kooks, people like Rob Ford can get elected with perhaps 30% of the popular vote.

The REALLY scary part is that Ford stated in a recent interview that he hopes to be PM some day.

Man hes doing some good stuff. And if he does get to be PM, All the rest of you are doing some good stuff.
Im sorry but he is an assclown, And needs to go jail.

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Old James

That is what you get with the "first past the post" system. We tried in the UK to have an Alternative Vote system (AV) where you need a minimum of 50% to win. But the main parties wouldn't have it, because they would lose too many seats.

Exactly the same situation here. It results in Harper strutting around announcing he was elected by a majority, when he was really elected by 35% of the 65% of voters who bothered to vote. Something like 70% of the eligble voters did NOT vote for him, and yet he is our PM.

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had to...

Crack-Smoking Mayor Rob Ford More Popular Than Obama, Congress

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Chris, That link came from the Huffington Post. Never knew it was considered a tabloid. I also used to live in Canada.

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